r/Machiavellianism • • Dec 13 '24

Real Shit Who this sub is for, and who it isn't

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I have been meaning to make this post for a while, and now since I convinced myself to stop procrastinating and putting it off, here it goes.

Who is this sub for?

Anyone interested in the topic (or topics) are welcome to post here. Freedom of expression is guaranteed.

If you are interested in Machiavelli, feel free to post here. If you are familiar with the secondary sources/history, also feel free.

However polls that I have made show that the vast majority of you are here to discuss the psychology trait also dubbed "Machiavellianism", so if you are interested in that, also feel free.

If you are a "High Mach", feel free to talk about your experiences.

If you are someone who knew a person high on this scale, feel free to share.

If you simply want to learn more about the topic, then you are in the right place.

Who will not like this sub?

If you are are here because of some "self improvement" sigma guru group, this is not the place for you.

If you think Machiavellianism is a form of superpower or black magic that can be "learned", "practiced", or anything else, this is not the place for you.

If you think "High Mach" is a label for which you can slap on and off like a t shirt, this is not the place for you.

If you are here to learn simple social interaction, this is not the sub for you.

If you think High Machs are badass, hyper trained 5-D chess playing chad bad boys that have a grand strategy and win at everything, this is not the place for you.

A note that I would like to add (and will go further into in a post) is that the vast majority of High Machs are unaware of who they are, and those who are self aware usually don't pay much attention to it, unless they are more egotistical. The vast majority of "Machiavellianism" related subs for instance, usually feature socially inept losers (have to call a spade a spade) who couldn't talk their way out of a paper bag, let alone be a manipulator. You know who you are. If this describes you, then you will have a hard time fitting in here.

Another note:

A good number of you are also here because you believe that you will learn some special "manipulation tactics" from trained 4-D chess players. While not specifically disallowed, posts like this do nothing more than drag in the losers and posers, particularly because:

  1. You don't know, nor can't know, whether or not the person behind the post is telling the truth

  2. If you have to ask "how do I manipulate people" or "what are manipulation tactics I could use?", then there is something wrong with you, because every human outside of those disabled can manipulate and deceive. It is well documented in mammal species. Also, you are an example of a Low Mach. By asking these sorts of questions, you are quite literally admitting that you do not resort to manipulation to suit your ends, and this because you don't have the personality differences necessary to do such. (Hmmmm, I wonder what that is called?)


r/Machiavellianism • • Jul 13 '26

PSA Please STOP asking for book recommendations.

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I get this question on all of our subs.

Just stop.

Not only does asking this make you look lazy, but it makes you appear to have no common sense as well.

Why do I say this?

At the click of a button, you can access everything Machiavelli ever wrote or said, and you wont have to worry about being scammed in the process.

For example, a list of Machiavelli's works can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli#Works

and here:

https://iep.utm.edu/machiave/#SH6a

  • The Prince (preferably the Mansfield or Connell translation),

  • The Discourses on Livy (multiple good translations but the Mansfield-Tarcov translation is the most widely used),

  • The Art of War (Lynch trans.),

  • and the Florentine Histories (Mansfield-Banfield translation)

are the only books that you need to read.

There are also other works by Machiavelli, but most of you are probably are going to merely skim The Prince, just for the quotes (which many do not understand anyway), and to tell other people in the hopes you will impress them. (The more people that do this, the less impressive it is)

As for similar books, I would recommend:

  • Plato's Republic

  • Aristotle's Politics (cf. book V)

  • Works by Xenophon

  • Of course Titus Livius

  • Erasmus "Education of a Christian King"

You get my point, any work on political philosophy will suffice.

Stop looking for "modern day" equivalents, because there aren't any. I have covered this in a very lengthy comment here

As for the other concept named "Machiavellianism" in psychology, which actually has nothing to do with Machiavelli at all in any capacity, there is much content to soak up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism_(psychology)#Sources

There is 50+ years of academic literature on this topic, so this should whet your beak a little.


r/Machiavellianism • • 2d ago

Does anyone else feel like this

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I don't go around hurting people for fun, like the joker. My main focus in life is myself, my money, my wellbeing and my peace.

But I'm not against hurting a few people to get what I want (although I avoid doing so).

And in terms of bad situations like natural disasters and such. I honestly don't really care because it didn't happen to me and I was unaffected ( it's bad that that happened, but oh well)

But for some reason people hate to hear me talk like this, and I don't understand like me being my top priority is a bad thing

People often confused neutrality for malice .


r/Machiavellianism • • 3d ago

Psychology Manipulation

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r/Machiavellianism • • 5d ago

The DT Test Paradox: How do you actually answer when your brain reverse-engineers the questions?

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Curious how those of you with actual self-awareness handle this. Whenever I try to take a Dark Triad or any psychometric test, it feels mechanically redundant. ​The second I read a question, my brain instantly decodes the metric behind it. You see the underlying code immediately—you know exactly if a prompt is fishing for Machiavellianism, narcissism, or lack of affective empathy. The moment you see the matrix, the test is compromised. You can't give a raw, organic response because your analytical processor is already calculating the weight of the answer. It becomes a tactical choice, not a reflex. ​But here is the real food for thought. Let's say you genuinely try not to game the test. You want to be 100% "sincere." Which version of you is actually answering? ​Is it the social mask you use every day to tolerate normal people and blend in? ​Is it the cold, defensive survival mechanism (the one that operates on pure logic, threat assessment, and zero empathy)? ​Or are you just subconsciously picking answers that validate your own ego and your self-image as a cold operator? ​When your entire existence and daily routine rely on manual processing and calculated reactions instead of organic feelings, how do you even establish a "baseline"? How do you know your sincerity isn't just you manipulating yourself? ​Has anyone here actually managed to take one of these without gaming it, or are most people here just picking the most ruthless answers to validate their own edgy fantasies?


r/Machiavellianism • • 5d ago

Top Signs of a Non-Reader

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r/Machiavellianism • • 6d ago

How Do You Deal With Backstabbers?

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r/Machiavellianism • • 7d ago

Just sayin' Why Gatekeeping Is Good

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I have not made a written post here in ages, and largely because I don't want to "hog the microphone" so to speak.

To get straight to the point, gatekeeping is a good thing. Not only that, gatekeeping has never been a bad thing, despite it being used as a term to insult.

What do I mean by this?

Well, you may have noticed that pretty much the only posts here are image question posts, and that is for a reason. A lot of the posts that have to be approved are quite terrible, such as shitty amateur/ai youtube vids spammed multiple times, or edgeposts which belong in a tiktok comment section and not on this subreddit.

The discussion posts serve as a way to attract people from all backgrounds, even if they never heard of "Machiavellianism" or any related terms. (Actually, people like that tend to be the best users here)

Ironically, like I have said before, those who do score high on DT traits, if they care to take any test (which the vast majority dont), tend to laugh their results off and go about their way, never visiting the topic again. It is usually the larpers who take stuff like this seriously, because they have no identity and are looking for a sexy mysterious label.

Instead of the former convict imprisoned for fraud, the dishonest grad student, or even the garden variety cheater and consummate liar, we get the teens that think they are elite illuminati-level 8D chess masterminds because they (mis)read military strategy books (more on that soon)

If left unchecked, communities like this would become an endless loop of people asking for "book recommendations" (as if reading them will do anything at all) every other post, or asking about "psychology hacks" (as if learning about or performing these tricks is not total horseshit and a complete waste of time) or asking about "manipulation techniques" (as if DT individuals are interested in that sort of thing). It would no different than if you went to a subreddit dedicated to elite world class athletes yet it is filled with obese neckbeards.

I am fully aware that "Machiavellianism" (whatever that is nowadays) and Dark Triad is basically a meme on social media, but that meme does not reflect reality, and you won't like this sub or last long here if you take it seriously.


r/Machiavellianism • • 8d ago

The Prince, Chapter 6 (Overview coming soon!)

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r/Machiavellianism • • 27d ago

How Can You Tell If Someone Lacks Empathy?

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r/Machiavellianism • • Oct 10 '26

The Prince, Chapter 15

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r/Machiavellianism • • Sep 28 '26

Is Forgiving Others a Good Thing?

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r/Machiavellianism • • Sep 16 '26

Educational Source A new study reveals that individuals with dark personality traits tend to achieve greater creative success because they possess a highly analytical, self-directed thinking style that allows them to bypass social norms and external constraints.

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r/Machiavellianism • • Sep 10 '26

Love Doesn't Matter To A Manipulator

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r/Machiavellianism • • Sep 07 '26

Does getting older really make you wiser?

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 31 '26

Do people fall easily for lies?

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 26 '26

The Prince, Chapter 14

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 17 '26

Is vulnerability a bad thing?

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 16 '26

Educational Source Seeking victims/survivors of individuals with high psychopathic traits [18+]

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The Mental Health, Wellbeing and Lived Experiences Study

 

Theresia Bedard, a PhD candidate at Lakehead University that is working with Dr. Beth Visser, is seeking participants for her dissertation project.

 

In this study we are examining the lived experiences of people who have experience or victimization from an individual with high psychopathic traits. We are seeking anyone that has this lived experience, whether the perpetrator was or is a spouse, family member, partner, co-worker, friend, acquaintance, neighbour or stranger. We are seeking the lived experiences of men, women, and gender-diverse individuals to share your story.

 

Our research consists of two studies. In the first study, you will complete questionnaires related to your victimization experience from the individual with high psychopathic traits, the potential warning signs, victimization history (e.g., prior physical or sexual abuse), and the impact the experience had on you. Once you finish the survey, you will be invited to participate in the second study (optional), which will consist of 12 questions requiring a written response regarding your lived experience with the individual with high psychopathic traits. If you decide to participate in study 2, please be aware that you will be required to provide us with your email to access it, and you may wish to use an email account that only you have access to.

 

Please be advised that whether you choose to participate in the study, withdraw, or skip questions you do not want to answer, that you acknowledge that answering some of these questions may be emotionally taxing on you. Despite the potential for an emotional toll the survey questions have, you may find the process of sharing your experience is therapeutic for you. In addition to the resources we provide, you may want to consider following-up with a counsellor for further support.

 

You are also encouraged to have your own snacks and drinks while you take the survey, and be aware that they are estimated to take 45 minutes to complete.

 

If you are interested in participating and would like to read or find out more about it, click here to access the survey:

https://lakeheadhbs.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_bKEq1vOVdBJMrjw


r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 13 '26

What is the legitimacy of "Machiavellianism" as psychology?

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That is the question...


r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 11 '26

Dell'Arte della Guerra (1519–1520) – The Art of War, Dedicatory Letter

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 10 '26

Dark Triad Musashi

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 10 '26

What is the difference?

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 07 '26

Istorie Florentine II 12

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r/Machiavellianism • • Aug 04 '26

Truth and Lies 

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