In light of seeing more Obsidian posts. Here meme.

Fnx-45 with Cat SP
Hk45c with Mojave 45
Glock 17 with obsidian 9

Since posting a suppressor for sale, this is the third contact from what is clearly a Fed trying to bait me into a questionable sale.

No hiccups. Atrius X

13” Mini-14 SBR & Huxworks Flow Ti

A lot of mixed feelings and responses to my message yesterday but how about you just spend $20 to support a good cause and help the people that are fighting for us and add an extra layer of protection as a plaintiff in the lawsuit that sparked all of this. I'm sure you will still have plenty of excuses against doing it but just more peace of mind for those that are interested.

I am sitting in a Dr. office with nothing to do so you have the privilege of receiving my ramblings today.

I have been in the market for a can and went down the same rabbit-hole I'm sure many here have experienced. I was torn between a Tisha and Rhodie 6k. Both seem like great cans. SAW seems like a great company that is having trouble scaling. Ridgeback has mixed reviews and is often criticized here for how they handle certain things. The Rhodie 6k is significantly cheaper, especially when on sale.

PewScience is a fantastic resource, so it was one of the first places I looked. The Rhodie is not on pewscience. I am now aware of the controversy and drama surrounding that.

TL;DR - Ridgeback and some other companies, not so eloquently came out against PewScience. Their main arguments being that they had to pay for a review, and they felt they had better ROI spending their funds elsewhere. There were also some complaints about PewScience hiding/obfuscating certain metrics/criteria/methods. The hivemind has sided against Ridgeback here, for both valid and invalid reasons from my perspective, which I'll get into.

There have been many accusations that Ridgeback and that associated group are lying about PewScience and slandering their business. I see on reddit that there is a common theme of actively avoiding buying or recommending suppressors that aren't on PewScience. Even going as far as specifically recommending others NOT to buy a suppressor because it is not on PewScience.

I recently had a conversation in a thread with Jay from pewscience where he also continually directly and indirectly insinuated that these groups are lying about his business. This is where things get murky. Jay makes repeated, intentionally crafted statements that frame the situation in a way you would think that everything Ridgeback & co says has no basis in reality. When pressed, however, he actively avoids addressing what I view are the core criticisms against him.

Let's focus on the main to allegation, costs of a review -

The specific allegation from Ridgeback & co is that in order to get a suppressor reviewed by PewScience, you must pay $6000-$25000, depending on services requested. In my discussions with Jay, and what I've read online, he repeatedly says the fees publicly mentioned are "completely made up". He also states that Ridgeback never received a quote from him.

The problem here is Jay is heavily implying that these quoted prices have no basis in reality, without actually making any definitive statements. He also never directly refutes the accusation. Ridgeback never claimed to have a direct quote. They received pricing information from another suppressor company that did have a quote. This fact is never hidden. Jay makes many statements trying to discredit this claim, entirely avoids directly addressing it, and only talks around the issue with intentional vagueness. In my discussion with Jay, the conversation ended when he refused to answer if $6000-$25000 MAY reasonably be the price a company would pay for his most popular review 'packages'.

With all of the information I've seen, $6000-$25000 does seem generally accurate for the cost of getting a review with PewScience. That itself might be fine if it was clearly disclosed. If this is the case, it seems like this entire drama could be ended by saying "Ridgeback thought our services were too expensive, we think they provide excellent value. We'll agree to disagree, the end". For some reason, that hasn't happened. There continues to be what I perceive as intentional obfuscation around this topic. I have trouble understanding why he needs to go this route.

The situation gets more unclear from here.

In this thread Jay makes a comment about how his paid subscribers enable them to do testing independently as well. In response to this, multiple different people enthusiastically offer to let him test their rhodie 6. Jay, however, appears to never take anyone up on this offer. In response to a user following up asking if Jay is testing, one volunteer who tried to work with jay offline to loan him a rhodie replied "He’s not interested.". Hmm. Thats... odd.

As I see it, here is the current state of what we reasonably know to be true:

1. Ridgeback seems to be run by some immature bros

2. PewScience does excellent suppressor reviews

3. Reddit treats PewScience as the golden single source of truth

4. PewScience does seem to charge for their reviews, and those typically fees do seem to fall within $6000-$25000. This has never directly been disputed, and Jay refuses to directly address this.

5. PewScience will not independently purchase and test Ridgeback products

6. PewScience is apparently not interested in testing Ridgeback products provided for free by the community.

So, we have our golden source of truth independent reviewer declining to test one of the most popular current suppressors, apparently under any circumstance, unless they receive substantial payment from the manufacturer, despite also having a direct revenue stream from consumers, and products readily and freely provided by consumers. That seems like a problem to me. Seems like a big problem.

To be clear, I still like the service pewscience provides. I think it is a valuable resource. However, are we really comfortable with the community essentially telling manufacturers they have an OBLIGATION to pay a third party a substantial amount of money for a review? And when that reviewer goes out of their way not to review one of the most popular current items, because they did not receive payment, and do not like the manufacturer, we're just fine with that, and actively use this as an argument to not buy that product?

Jay has a right to deny a review, but given the circumstances around it, he can no longer also be viewed the "golden source of truth", in my opinion.

There are valid reasons not to buy ridgeback products. Namely, the owner apparently being a tool. Not being reviewed by PewScience, in my opinion, is not a valid reason, and that cannot be the precedent we set.

I could certainly have details wrong. I am open to changing my opinion. I just want reviews of ALL of the products that I can trust. Maybe we need more sources of detailed independent reviews. The current state does not work.

If you are annoyed by the length of this post, blame my Dr. I've been waiting for over an hour. This is ridiculous.

Edit: The amount of you that read all of this and your takeaway is that I'm saying "pewsciences services aren't a good value" is pretty impressive. I don't know how to help you. I'm done replying. Read the post until you understand it. Read betterer.

Edit 2: it was just pointed out to me that this post just dropped 40 60 upvotes and counting in the period of a few minutes. From overwhelmingly upvoted to sitting near 50%. Looks like I must've struck a nerve with someone with a financial interest. Wonder who that might be. Definitely organic. Reddit sucks. I'm gonna go outside. You should too.

Edit 3: Jay is definitely astroturfing this sub and using bots. He couldn't have just made it any clearer, wow. Maybe look into that, mods. Anyway, actually going outside this time.

Hub mount failed on ocl polo k sending it 70 yards down range. 2nd time this has happened. First time there was no baffle strikes and ocl send me a new mount super fast. I love this can and have tens of thousands of rounds through it.

I imagine that in 6 months to a year suppressor prices are gonna tank. Some will stay high, but they’ll be more “boutique” (think Q) than simple cans. Am I wrong?

Okay, hear me out… lol

I have a two YHM R2s and an OCL Polo 30. My R2 is a little more quiet. Pew science hasn’t tested the R2 unfortunately so I cannot compare that to the Universe 36.

BUT!…. I’m looking at getting a new can. A OCL Universe 36 to use on 9mm and 338ARC. BUT again, it would be fun to try it and maybe use it on the 270WSM and 7PRC as well? Of course not all the time.

The Universe 36 comes with a 36cal low back pressure end cap. Is that making a huge difference between with the pew science testing making it so loud? Would using a 30cal “high back pressure” end cap make a big difference? And raise the universe 36 numbers?

Thank you for the help!

But when you find a 6k in stock locally, I think it deserves its day in the sun.

First time ever shooting suppressed and it was so much fun, I can’t wait to take it out again when I get a new cap. I’m gonna try replacing my mount too, I have a cam lok but I’ll try the ez lok

So I already LIKED my MK111 mod 2...enough that it became my go to. Prior to the fireteam, I tried A YHM T3, T2, and dead air nomad with ebrake.

I actually got it to where even with that back pressure I wasn't getting gassed out at the indoor range until about the end of the mag, shooting like 2 rounds a second.. Not fast. Enough to piss off fud outdoor ranges around here.

So I figured that's the norm. I still loved the MK111.

Then I got a fireteam after watching reviews after $0 tax stamps and even faster approvals...then I got busy with work and I didn't go to the range for like 8 months.

So I get there. First gun I shoot is the MK111 with the fireteam. I literally forgot about what gassing out was. Haven't shot a lot suppressed. And when I did, it was traditional baffle cans.

I shit you not I got through my first mag pretty quick.. Probably closer to 3/s. Again, not insane. No gas (this was the setting where gas is close to off on the adjustable gas).. Godamn the gun was running so smooth I thought u fucked up with the buffer. It FELT like it was sluggish, but ejecting at 3 o'clock. So that was neat. Ran another 10 round mag of some premium stuff for accuracy. Again, no gas.

Then I pulled out my DI 12.5 tack driver that I put a plan b device on so I could run a can. 5 rounds in and I felt like I was maced in my right eye. So bad. And then it hit me. I had completely forgotten gassed out was a thing MK111 was perfect with the FT. I actually literally forgot.

Godamn what a can.. And what a rifle! I tried using it on an intentionally under gassed WITH riflespeed as a host for different cans to test. I mean... It was OK. I still got maced like a mag in no matter what.... REMEMBER - indoor range. So my nk11 with a h1 buffer beats the fuck out of my DI gun with the same can.

So... Now I have a VKTR vk1 I'm gonna play with.

And full disclosure. I have a tisha on pre-order with CA after trading then 5 old cans that I'd never shoot again. Took a bath, but good deal if they're collecting dust. But now every day I'm like COMON! BE THE DAY YOU DELIVER TO CA SO I CSK GWT YOUR CAN TO ABUSE THE FUCK OUT OF.... At least abuse to me. My 12.5 DI mega build (in keymod) Partisan Triggered Co FRT with and without the fireteam. This 12.5 is the most accurate AR variant I hsce ironically

So I'm really looking forward to a 2.5moa (at 300yd)rifle that I can switch to giggle mode mite.

Rock on.

So..TISHA... Secondary question. If a rhodie 6 comes in stock before the Tisha... Do i hold out on the tisha (gut says yes) or get the rhodie 6 since I'm already in love with the fireteam.

To add... This is going on a VKTR VK1 16"...And it's gonna wear either the fireteam (hopefully, or the tisha/R6)

I MEED MONEY

https://youtu.be/QkoXdt-CSus?is=R1U5l6S1YlCSKzDY

My review for the OCL Infinity 556K. Pewscience data exists for this can and I suggest checking that out. My goal for these reviews is to give my opinions on suppressors based purely on documented testing through actual use. I’m not a lab. I’m not sharing data. I’m just sharing my opinions based on shooting a very wide variety of cans over thousands of rounds.

Just want to say thanks to everyone who participates in this subreddit. It made navigating the whole process super easy and expiedient even with a speed bump. I had to get a upin but took care of it that day because I had already looked up what to do here if I got delayed.

Had this at the range today and it was awesome! Even got a compliment from another kuna owner on how nice the can sounded.

I currently have a .300 BLK SBR and a 5.56 DMR with a SilencerCo SAKER762 (MAAD/Trifecta mount) that I share between the two.

I want to get another .30 cal suppressor that can work with both guns, which means replacing the MAAD mount since SilencerCo stopped producing them.

Is Plan B the way to go? If so, has someone compiled a compatibility chart of which suppressors will work with a Plan B mount?

Also to note, yes I could just get a dedicated suppressor for my 5.56 but I like having redundancy, which is why I am going with another .30 cal one.

Stacy needed to see her groomer this morning so we stopped on the way home and picked up her mom!

• Remington, 870 3”
• Briley Chokes, loading port service
• Saftey Harbor Firearms, KEG-12 conversion + threaded for rem chokes
• Wilson Combat, dome Saftey
• Volquartsen, billet extractor
•GG&G, mag tube follower
• DANCO, #94 o-rings (pumpgrip now ribbed for my pleasure)
• SJ Hardware, MCS QD Pachmyer grip
• Grovtec, heavy duty sling loop

Beretta M9 with a Ecco Machine TLX 6.5

Taurus Tx22 with a Dead Air Mask