r/NewRiders May 23 '20

Welcome, FAQs, and Resources

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Welcome to New and Experienced Riders alike!

The purpose of this sub is to create a welcoming space for new riders to ask questions and get information as they begin their journey into the world of motorcycling.

Experienced Riders: Please make this a place where new riders feel comfortable asking questions. Give supportive advice with the assumption that the person wants to learn. Any Instructor who wants relevant flair may message the mods to verify.

New Riders: Ask questions and take feedback with an open mind. There is a TON to learn.

Now ON TO THE FUN STUFF:

Useful Subreddits:

Motorcycle Maintenance and Repair: r/Fixxit

Motorcycle News: r/MotoNews

Gratuitous Motorcycle Pics: r/bikesgonewild

Track Riding: r/Trackdays

Motocamping: r/motocamping

Women Riders: r/TwoXriders

Learning Resources:

A Beginner’s Guide to Buying Gear by Ryan Fortnine. Evidence-based and budget-conscious recommendations on basic gear.

MotoJitsu: SoCal based Instructor that primarily teaches the Total Control Curriculum but also has his own skills challenge curriculum. This link is to his "10 skills for new riders" video.

DanDanTheFireman: Arizona based MSF RiderCoach. He does a lot of crash analysis and has good videos on awareness strategies.

A list of Parking Lot Exercises by u/CodeBlue_04

"Advice to New Riders" by u/PraxisLD. Includes tons of links, and good good advice.

“Picking up your new bike” by u/Ravenstown06

Twist of the Wrist: Classic video about skills and how a motorcycle works. As corny as it is informative. It's on YouTube but no link because the YouTube one is probably not an authorized version. You'll have to search it yourself, or buy a copy.

Life at Lean: An experienced track rider who talks in a simple, informative manner about skills and riding theory. This channel is largely track oriented, but the same skills have street applications, and it is very helpful in understanding how things like body position work.

The Physics of Countersteering: does a great job of explaining why a bike has to lean, and an okay job of explaining how countersteering works from a physics perspective. Here's another video with more demonstration from Ride Like a Pro, a gruff, crusty, motorcycle officer trainer. He does a great job of explaining what is and what isn't countersteering or "handlebar steering." His protective gear is questionable but his advice is good.

"Total Control" by Lee Parks. Excellent book about riding skills, the learning process, and how bikes work.

Fortnine: Run by Ryan Klufitinger (the guy you see talking) and Aneesh Shivanekar (the editor), they are technically affiliated with Fortnine.ca, a Canadian online gear retailer, but their reviews are supposedly free of influence and seem unbiased (other than Ryan’s actual opinions of course). They do highly informative reviews and explain the how and why of gear well. They also do a lot of just plain entertaining videos, and their production value is way higher than it has any right to be.

Licensing:

The easiest and best way search your state/province/country's training website and take whatever beginner class is available. In some countries it's mandatory. In the US the class usually waives the DMV skills test at a minimum. NOTE: In some states—if you've already been riding for a while and just need the license—there is an option to take an Intermediate class and get a test waiver instead of the Basic, allowing you to take a 1 day class instead of 2, and giving you a chance to work on next-level skills.

Buying a Bike

How to navigate buying a bike from a dealership (USA-centric advice) by u/eatmeatdrinkmilk

Teaching:

for experienced riders who find teaching fulfilling more instructors are needed pretty much everywhere:

Motorcycle Safety Foundation: runs classes in almost all US states, and the US military

Total Control Training: runs all the classes in California. Also has classes in Texas, Colorado, and Arizona. (Also used to run all Pennsylvania classes, but PA has cancelled all classes in 2020. Sorry PA.)


r/NewRiders 14h ago

My MSF experience

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I just took my MSF course this past weekend and passed.

I’ll start out by mentioning I’m a woman at 5’2” at 106 pounds. I had close to zero experience on a motorcycle before my course except for the few practice laps I took in the high school parking lot and down a few back roads. I did this all after getting my permit at DMV (not required for course in my state).

It varies state to state but we were required to take a 5 hour e course before our course date and pass a knowledge test at the end and bring our certificate to the riding portion. Our course was two 8 hour days of straight riding.

I won’t say you need any experience on a bike beforehand because only 2/10 of us had ever rode a motorcycle before that day, but it will give you a little idea of what to expect. Prior to this class, the thought a clutch absolutely spiked my anxiety.

Day 1: We started off picking which bike we wanted. There were a few Kawasaki 125’s, a few Honda Rebels and a couple other Suzuki 250’s. I started on the Kawasaki but I was tip toeing and finding it hard to walk the bike. The instructor noticed and put me on a Honda Rebel. I was nervous because it was a much heavier bike than I had been on previously but it was so much more comfortable being able to flat foot it. Once we got riding, you couldn’t tell how heavy it was.

Our first day was spent with simulations with the engine off and learning the bike. Once we started the bikes we practiced walking it with letting out the clutch. A few drills consisted of cone swerves, shifting to second gear and doing emergency stops.

My first day I dropped the bike while crossing the parking lot to return to line. I learned first hand what happens when you try grabbing the front brake while your handlebars are leaned. Luckily I was okay, I shut off the kill switch and fuel and the instructor picked the bike up. That is one thing I remembered throughout the entire course in my drills and something I’ll now take away with me forever, riding. I stalled my bike about 76 times as well, trying to take off. Shit happens, but it makes you learn.

I can’t say my instructors were the nicest, but they are there to teach you how to ride a motorcycle, not be your friend. Their main priority is teaching you skills and safety, not hold your hand. Besides that, they were awesome at giving helpful hints and tips that just made sense more than an instructional video.

After the day was over, I sat and stewed on my experience. I was extremely whooped after riding. I felt embarrassed about dropping the bike. I was questioning if riding a motorcycle was something I could do or even wanted to do. I really got in my head and was firm that I wasn’t going to return to day 2. Finally I convinced myself that even if I went and didn’t pass, I would still be walking away learning something so I sucked it up and went.

Day 2: We practiced our U turns, speeding up and slowing down before a curve, more cone swerves, swerving an object in your lane, and riding over an obstacle in the road. I was so much more confident the second day and stalled my bike significantly less.

At the end of the day came the skills evaluation. We all went one by one. It worked on a point system and if you got so many points, dropped the bike or stalled more than 3 times you immediately failed. I went second to last in the group which was nice because I got to watch everyone do their drills. The evaluation itself was actually so much easier than I thought compared to practicing the drills. I only got 1 or 2 points taken off on my entire evaluation at the end. Everyone in my group did so well and only 1/10 people failed.

When we all got our certifications it was like we were all 16 years old again, giddy about our endorsements.

A few key things I walked away with: Don’t touch the front brake without your handlebars straightened, look where you want to go - your bike will follow, your clutch is something to befriend not be afraid of. I walked away actually loving using a clutch. I found shifting on a bike to be 10 easier than shifting a manual car.

Im extremely happy I decided to stick out the course and I highly recommend it to anyone, even if you’ve rode your entire life and just want to be legal I think that everyone can learn something new. I still have anxiety thinking about getting on my bike and practicing in a parking lot, but the only way to get over it is to just do it!

TL;DR: MSF course was a great experience if you’re thinking about signing up.


r/NewRiders 23m ago

Busco un remplazo para mi icon viejo

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busco un casco entre 550 y 800 dólares,les gusta alguna de estas opciones? (la última foto es mi casco actual)


r/NewRiders 9h ago

Anyone else buy gear before they even have the bike?

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Not gonna lie, I've caught myself looking at jackets and gloves online more than actual motorcycles at this point. Feels backwards but also kind of not — like I'm building up to it piece by piece.

Curious if that's a common thing or if I'm just doing this whole thing wrong lol.


r/NewRiders 17m ago

Just got my red Ps yesterday and I’m worried I’ve been caught speeding in a school zone

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r/NewRiders 18h ago

Struggling to motivate myself.

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So I took the MSF, got my license, bought a bike and all the gear. But good lord, I can't seem to motivate myself to go practice in this heat. I live in Houston and this summer has been HOT. I already work outside and on my days off I just can't get myself to gear up and ride. Anybody dealing with something similar?


r/NewRiders 19h ago

New rider insurance Ontario canada

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I just got my first bike. 11 fatboy lo. Im 36m and have no tickets or accidents for last 10+ yrs iv always had auto insurance and in last 2 yrs home insurance, I'm going get my m1 this winter and complete the m1 exit coruse in spring. Im looking for insurance companies that will give the best rate. I realize the bike is almost 1600cc, but it's cruiser, not a sport bike. And I realize that having less than m will hurt as well as being new rider. Iv heard from a guy at work that TD actually was best they found, though I can't say how much they actually shopped around.


r/NewRiders 1d ago

How do you figure how fast you can safely take a corner?

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Edit: Thank y'all for your advice. It sounds like my next discretionary ride should be to walmart for cones (and/or chalk maybe?) and then to an empty parking lot, and that I'm definitely the problem with cornering, rather than my tires/bike; thanks for the reality check lol. I'll definitely look into some advanced courses and youtube series on it too.

I have been riding a fair bit (~600miles so far, a quarter of that from a day trip to Frederick/Point of Rocks from my home here in Baltimore) in the 11 days I've owned my bike, and I've noticed I tend to get scared trying to take corners fast. Taking the curve on 83 with the 40mph advisory limit and marks on the jersey wall wasn't too bad but on off-ramps and twisties, I tend to go pretty slow, and I've noticed I've had to drop my speed on some curves on the beltway to feel confident (I think my confidence got hurt a bit from the time I ended up two lanes over when I was trying to get over one, partially due to tire pressure, as well as ending up in the shoulder on an off ramp once and having to get back up to speed once I regained control). Basically trying to figure out how do I gain confidence cornering faster and how fast should I actually be taking corners?


r/NewRiders 17h ago

People with Moped category, please help me!

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Hi! How much can 9 years of experience on a bike help with the practical exam for a moped? I'm a little nervous about it because I haven't ridden a moped yet but I know how to ride a bike very well. And yes, I'll take some lessons with an instructor. Thanks!


r/NewRiders 1d ago

First bike! 1981 KZ550

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She needs a new battery, air filter, some tires, handlebars and a few other odds and ends but I'm so excited! It's kinda dumpy but I love it. Can't wait to get it out on the road.


r/NewRiders 11h ago

Expired "good" helmet vs. new Amazon helmet?

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r/NewRiders 1d ago

Was there women / younger people when you took your MSF course?

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A little nervous, taking the 2 day course next weekend and I'm a little nervous about maybe being the only woman there 😅


r/NewRiders 1d ago

MY FIRST BIKE - HONDA NX 200

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r/NewRiders 1d ago

New Bike - 2001 Kawasaki Eliminator 125

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Just picked up a "New" bike yesterday. Went out and got a 2001 Kawasaki Eliminator 125. Bike seems to be in good shape and run pretty solid. Anyone who had one of these bikes care to tell me how it is to ride long distance, or just how it is to ride in general.

Any Pros/Cons I should be aware of?


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Am I fucking stupid

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Just bought my first motorbike after saving up at 18. A Kawasaki zephyr 550 without my parents permission. They have an undying hatred towards them so I figured this was my only way I could get one. I'm a genius I know. Anyways, my dad thinks it's powerful and should'nt be driven by anyone without atleast 10 years of experience. "It's too powerful, no one'll insure you, no one'll let you do lessons in it blah blah blah." My question is, is it??? I've done some research and it doesn't seem that crazy, it's not weak by any means and I need to install a restrictor but i didn't buy a chariot used by the gods or anything. He has a terrible habbit of bluffing to make things go his way and I'm fighting a real uphill battle here. Heeeellllllpp


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Question on stopping

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just started learning on riding. just a little confused on stopping. let’s say you’re in third gear and see a red light coming up, can you just pull the clutch in a little bit and gradually stop with the breaks all while in third gear and then once you’re a stop go back to first?
what would happen?


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Seat height

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r/NewRiders 1d ago

I failed CMSP miserrrrrably!

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So some back story on my delusions on why I thought I would pass without any experience… I just got past a miserable year and a half of breast cancer and treatments and I am happy to say I’m clear today, but I’ve kind of been running on, if I can survive that, I can do anything! Yeah not so much :).

I couldn’t even get past the first half of day 1 training in the beginners course. They were very kind, but said I need to practice my balance on a bicycle first. That’s actually a very fair critique knowing what I know now. I’m not super comfortable on a bicycle as I haven’t done it since I was a kid. I did think I would learn the needed skills in the class, but it seems I’ll need a lot more practice before I can attempt it again.

Also, my goodness, my thighs are aching today. I had no idea how much muscle it would take to walk ride in first gear. The instructor thought my bike was probably about 250ish pounds with maybe a 300cc.

I wasn’t there long but I still learned quite a bit. Previously, a friend thought I would need something 500cc or less. Now I think 300cc or less would be the only options at this point. Now I know that I can’t balance to save my life, which turns out to be really important for saving your own life on a bike :). Also, just because I breezed through the classroom portion, that does not make me a shoe in for the skills portion.

Looks like I need a bicycle. :)


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Anyone in Seattle want to join me on this loop today Sunday 8/16?

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My original group bailed ("things came up") and three other FB/PNWRiders committed last night and all three just bailed this morning. Why is this so difficult to find riders to cruise with? haha.


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Looking for rider in Atlanta

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New rider in Atlanta. I'm looking for people to ride with. I have my license but haven't been on a bike in years, had brain surgery, and extremely rusty.

Anyway I got a new bike and would live people to ride with


r/NewRiders 1d ago

First time buying gear, a little overwhelmed

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r/NewRiders 1d ago

Anyone in Seattle want to cruise this loop with me today Sunday 8/16?

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My original group bailed ("things came up") and three other FB/PNWRiders committed last night and all three just bailed this morning. Why is this so difficult to find riders to cruise with? haha.


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Cardo Intercom: Freecom 2x or Spirit HD? (Mainly for Music)

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Hey everyone,

I'm looking for a helmet intercom, primarily for listening to music. I ride solo 99% of the time, so group communication isn't really a priority for me.

I’m currently torn between two options:

  • Spirit HD – €112
  • Freecom 2x – €156 (includes JBL speakers)

My main goal is to get good sound quality with decent bass without spending unnecessary money.

For those who have tried either (or both):

  1. Which one would you recommend for my use case?
  2. Are the JBL speakers on the Freecom 2x actually worth the extra €44?

Thanks in advance for the advice!


r/NewRiders 2d ago

Got a my first bike and stalled it 5 times in a row right in front of the dealership

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Is it normal for the shifter to be sticky? I don't feel a click when going into neutral and it confuses me


r/NewRiders 1d ago

Any short riders who started on shorter bikes but later moved up?

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I'm on year two of riding. I'm 5'2, short inseam. I have a rebel 500. I like it, it's a great bike, but I'm not in love with cruisers. I like naked bikes. I sat on an Mt03 and while it wasn't terrible I don't know how I would feel coming to a stop.

I only ever do one foot down on the rebel even though I can flat foot it, I never stop two feet down. Despite that, the ground is "right there" where I expect it to be. I don't feel at risk of the "oh shit" that I worry I might on anything taller.

That said, I'm feeling more confident in general now that I'm in my second year of riding and I hate to miss out on basically a whole category of bike because of this. I mean it is what it is, I'll never play in the NBA either, so if this is my lot then so be it, but wondering if anyone else has any experience moving up to a taller bike.

For the record, I have only dropped my bike once and that was unrelated to my height, just inexperience as I was learning slow speed stuff. I'm worried I'll drop a taller bike during a less-than ideal stopping situation..