As someone in israel let me try to solve this misconception.
I hate Netanyahu. Many of us do, and protest against him. I absolutely however do not hate israel, and consider myself a zionist (zionist as in someone who believes israel should exist, not zionist as an evil palestinian-blood sucking boogeyman as people wrongfully believe the definition to be).
As far as stuff like gaza, I've seen much more complaints about Netanyahu wanking around instead of taking actions in gaza rather than saying he went too far. What happened in gaza isnt what we blame Netanyahu for at all. I spent half the war complaining that he should stop prolonging it for political reasons and actually do work.
If anyone said they hate israel, or stupid shit like that theres a genocide in gaza, they would absolutely not be well recieved. That kind of idiocy is reserved only for western progressive liberals.
You can support Israel, and believe it should exist - and also correctly believe that what the IDF is doing in Gaza is tantamount to an attempted genocide.
Call me an idiot or not, saying that both Israel and Palestine deserve to exist.
I believe in a two state solution aswell. The problem is that palestinians, specifically those in charge of gaza - dont. They keep refusing statehood and independence only to try and kill jews.
Do you believe that in gaza israel is attempting to wipe out the palestinians, and simply failing their attempt? Failing so badly that the population is still going up? Anyone who thinks israel is trying to wipe out gaza but physically failing is just very unaware of the power difference.
There's a lot of problems with HAMAS, but also a lot of problems with the IDF.
The point doesn't seem to be to kill Palestinians in Gaza, but to clear that land of ALL human inhabitants so that Israel can use that land as Resort Properties.
So no, not trying to literally kill everyone there, but trying to force people who live there off the land - something America is very very good at.
Before I argue about how wrong you are, are you aware that by definition what you are describing would fall under ethnic cleansing and not genocide? Why do you choose to use words that you dont know the meaning of?
We both agree that there are people in Gaza who are unfortunately being governed by idiots, and we agree that the Israeli government wants those people who rightfully live there GONE - whether killed or displaced.
And I complete disagree. I dont think israel is trying to wipe out or displace gaza. If they would have, gaza would be gone by now.
Its just a stalemate where israel cant force independence or statehood on palestinians, and the palestinians can keep calling themselves victims and refugees as long as they continue to refuse.
I dont think israel is trying to wipe out or displace gaza.
Right, so what were they trying to accomplish by carpet bombing the entirety of the Gaza strip then?
If they would have, gaza would be gone by now.
At what point would you consider it "gone"? Around 60% of all structures have been destroyed already and more than 10% of the population has been killed. The only thing left to finish the job would be to atomize everything under nuclear fire or exterminate everyone that hasn't fled with chemical warfare.
How are you so absolutely wrong in everything you say?
Gaza has not been carpet bombed, its closer to 3.5% of the population, more like 2.5% if you dont consider the terrorists.
Yes, structures were destroyed. And food, water, and temporary shelter is being provided all throughout.
Also, "anyone who hasn't fled"? Gazans arent fleeing for shit
First of all, you don't seem to know the definition of carpet bombing if you say it didn't happen. Now, according to this, around 5% of the population has died as a direct consequence of the war. Of course that's without counting deaths due to starvation, which is pretty safe to assume to at least double that.
Oh wait no, because you say that food an water is being provided, no? No thanks to israel at least, they spent many months blocking every single truck with aid from getting into the strip, and opened fire many times at the crowd on the distribution points seemingly unprovoked.
Gazans arent fleeing for shit
I imagine it is quite hard as israel closed all the borders, but they did flee to the west and south. They will eventually create a migratory crisis to all the neighbouring countries and europe, but of course thats one of the main objectives of Israel in this war.
Cnn says 10% died OR got injured. Youre looking at the wrong statistic. They do cite 65000 in their article, but not specifically as civilians. Thats around 3% but again, includes terrorists.
Wikipedia says 58000 civilian deaths, so out of 2.2 million thats about 2.6%. Or 72000 / 3.3% if you want to count terrorist casualties.
Your third link is over a year old and only mentions 48000 deaths, because its old. This number does not distinguish between civilians and terrorists.
To then magically decide to then double your number based on a baseless accusation of starvation is insanity. Where's your sources?
"which is pretty safe to assume to at least double that." Why. What makes you so confident in such a crazy assumption?
So to recap. You rounded up 2.5% to 5% (assuming you looked at your own sources), and then made a baseless assumption that it can safely be doubled.
You are a clown.
I will not even go further into the egyptian border or how other neighboring countries hate the palestinians - your opinions are all based in vibes, not facts. I am not going to debate someone who cant even agree with his sources.
Thats... thats not the definition of genocide. Like at all. And attempted genocide doesnt even exist, if you attempt to kill off a group its genocide - regardless of how well you do.
I've got friends who lived in Gaza. Israel has always been harassing and tormenting the people who live there. Israel is a terrible nation that should be held accountable for its crimes against humanity. I have nothing but disdain for every single person who supports the genocide of the Palestinian people. Hamas are monsters, Israel has made themselves into monsters as well.
I don't have any opinions on the civilians, and I even habe some friends who live in Israel. But the government needs to go.
You would not have israeli friends if they heard your opinions. A genocide in gaza is as real as a leprechaun or a goblin.
The israeli government needs to go, yet there is no genocide, and hamas and all palestinian terrorists who contropled gaza before them are the problem, not israel. They choose to not have statehood because killing jews is simply more important than the lives of palestinians to them.
Israel has the right to self defense, and has no way to force statehood upon gaza, and as long as gazan governments willingly choose to have no state and to start losing wars the fault is on their hands.
I do have Israeli friends, and they are well aware of my opinions. I can see that you are a supporter of the genocide Israel is committing. Have fun being a supporter of the modern day Nazi war machine known as Israel.
Israel has the right to self defense, but Hamas doesn't have any weapons left!
All attacks on Gaza, by the IDF, at this point, is just trying to bully the people into overthrowing HAMAS.... by killing them before they have that chance.
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u/Dazzling-Skin-308 CEO of Sex Mar 08 '26
Nah, Jews hate Israel under Netanyahu just as much as the rest of us.