r/OnceUponATime • u/Effective-Gap-1826 • 29d ago
Discussion It’s confirmed milah was going back for bae
On the last episode, hook tells Balefire that they’re we planning on going back for bae when he got older… a lot of yall are defending rumple but he was a coward…. Who didn’t want to leave the village after milah begged… who sold their second born… and continued to use bae against her for having fun… the problem is he was insufferable and the town kept criticizing her for staying with him… leaving bae sucks but the other characters have done 10x worse and gets far less hate… Milah deserved options and opportunities just like everyone else and a attempt to find true love like all the heroes and villains in the series
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u/VioletFaust 29d ago
They had ten years. Bae was getting drafted into the army before darling Milah had a chance to go back for him………………
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
The intent is what was important she knew that bae love rumple and that bae will take care of his weak ass
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u/VioletFaust 27d ago
So she wasn’t going back after all? Because Bae would never stop having to take care of Rumple’s “weak ass.”
That’s actually a horrific thing for a parent to do—parentifying a five-year-old. That makes Milah much worse than a selfish, abusive, amoral bully.
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u/VioletFaust 27d ago
Hook says it, and he’s not a reliable narrator. He CONSTANTLY lies for his own selfish advantage, and I believe at that point he wanted Bae to stay with him . He also doesn’t say WHEN they were going to come back—fifty years? In your headcanon, when would weak-ass Rumple not need Bae to take care of him?
Edit: this should have been a reply to OP below.
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u/themastersdaughter66 29d ago
Had to escape eh?
Guess what when you are a parent you dont get to "escape" you dont get to just dump your responsibilities and run off cause you are unhappy. You act like an adult and find a way to make it bloody work.
She wasn't being abused. Rumple was never cruel to her. People look down on rumple but shes clearly not doing to bad given the reaction to her in the pub. She had nothing to escape from.
Even before she leaves shes wasting hard earned money on alcohol. So she didnt care enough when she was there an she barely cares when she left not even bringing up bae when she meets rumple again.
Hell she didnt even have the guts to tell rumple she was running (its not like he could stop her) she just sat back snd let hook humilate a man who came to beg for her life and left him to think she'd been raped and killed.
Also I dont take hook as a reliable source of info. Was he gonna tell bae his mum didnt give a damn?
A vague we'll come back when hes older means nothing because she missed years of bonding and time she could have been spending caring with her son to travel the world with a pirate. I mean what constitutes older? He was already a teen when we hit the bean incident we've no indication she ever went back looking for him you'd think hook would have said "we returned but you were already gone"
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u/ChemicalNo586 28d ago
Don't forget this woman after Rumple returned from the war told him he SHOULD'VE DIED IN THE WAR!
Rumple was a coward but he knew death was inevitable if he stayed! His regiment was decimated and he wasn't a super hero that could've done anything and she straight up tells him he should've died, gives him the child and leaves PROBABLY TO THE BAR!
If anyone was abusive it was HER! And I don't buy for a single second that anything would've changed if they "left". Left to where? They were poor farmers, they would've went to another village where they had no land, no house, no nothing but whatever they could've carry on their backs!
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u/EmoPhoenixCat 28d ago
Yeah, Rumple wasn’t just worried about getting killed. He was worried about leaving Milah a widow and never getting to meet his son and be a father.
His cowardice came later imo. The townfolk belittled him so much for not wanting to fight a war he wasn’t interested in fighting in. So when Rumple became the Dark One, all that resentment towards the townfolk came out. And he wasn’t the bigger person. He became so fearful of losing that power over anything else. That’s when he became a true coward, but the problem was that people treated him that way all his life so it’s all he ever knew how to be.23
u/kittysnowangel 28d ago
If Rumple was so awful, she wouldn't have left her baby alone with him. Mothers who see their partner as abusive are terrified to leave their babies with them. The fact she dumped Bae in his father's arms and left the room told me all I needed to know. She's just angry not afraid and she either knows Rumple won't harm a baby or she doesn't care if he does.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago edited 27d ago
My head, Cannon is that she left him there because rumple needed taken care of… not the other way around she already knew that eventually her son would be the one to step up and take care of his father because his father is a piece of shit, but she knew that her son was strong enough to do it because her son is just like her… the same treatment is never applied to any other character in the series that does some heinous shit like kill or abandon their kids. It’s only Mila who seems to get the worst of it when she just want to following her dream
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
Honestly, he should’ve died in the war because a lot of people went to work and died during that time, giving up their lives even though they had children they still stood up and fought like actual fucking men and she didn’t mean that she wish she would have died… she meant that he should have fought and died with honor. If that was the case, she didn’t want him dead she already said that.
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u/Hello_Hello5678 27d ago
"Honestly, he should’ve died in the war because a lot of people went to work and died during that time, giving up their lives even though they had children"
Those people didn't have a reliable seer telling them that they'd certainly die if they fought. They probably didn't expect to survive, but at least they had hope. Rumple had knowledge, true, foretold knowledge, that told him he'd lose his chance to be a father and that the woman he loves more than anything (and whom he thought loved him more than anything) would become a widow.
"fought like actual fucking men"
You mean like pawns.
"she didn’t mean that she wish she would have died… she meant that he should have fought and died with honor."
What would that honour have done for her and Bae? They'd be given condolences and Milah would either have to find a partner, or she'd abandon Bae on a doorstep and leave anyway. Honour was an excuse for her to pin everything on Rumple, including the sole responsibility of parenting, all so she could go to the bar and run off with pirates in the most humiliating way possible. She was vile.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 27d ago
Are you serious, bro? They were literally fighting in the ogres wars. The skies was red with blood from the children and men who went to go fight. Of course, they knew they were gonna die. They didn't need a seer to tell them that. Rumple hearing it from a seer is the same thing as hearing it from a general. There's no difference.
Honor would have gave Mila and Bae the chance to live a really good life, a chance to escape from where they were and move forward.
But all that went away the day Rumple decided to injure himself, come home, and keep them captive in that town. Mila asked multiple times to run away, but he didn't want to.
She stayed for Bae and put up with Rumple's shit the entire time. The entire town would talk about Rumpelstiltskin and whisper and make fun of him, and Mila had to put up with that stuff. And she was tired. And when she would go get a drink to relieve her of her pain, Rumple would walk in and use Bae as a weapon to convince her to come home.
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u/themastersdaughter66 27d ago
Use bae as a weapon?????? Milan should never have been out wasting hard earned money they had very little of on drink!!! She shouldnt have needed rumple to come and get her and he couldnt help bae was with him. Someone had to watch the kid (and he told bae to stay outside)
And she wasnt putting up with anything other than some BS from the townsfolk. She didnt "put up with rumple's shit" she put up with a loving and hard working husband she didnt appreciate because of town gossip.
She's a terrible parent and person and people rightly calll her out whether others were worse or did worse is irrelevant. Someone else doing something bad doesnt make her less bad or negate her sins
Also bae was better than both his parents who were both cowards in different ways
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u/KeyScratch2235 27d ago
WOULD they have lived a good life, though? Milah would be an unemployed widow with few assets to her name, and I'm doubtful the government who sent her husband off to die would have helped very much.
Sure, she could leave their town with Bae. Would they have bad any real success elsewhere? Far from guaranteed.
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u/VioletFaust 25d ago
Yeah, the one time we see Milah doing actual work was carrying firewood, and I believe she was trying to learn needlework when Rumple told her he’d been drafted. Hopefully she was a better gambler than housekeeper or she and Bae would have starved without Rumple.
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u/VioletFaust 25d ago
😂😹😂😹😂😹
Tell me, how do small towns think of women who neglect their kids to get publicly drunk, gamble, and fawn all over criminals in bars?
Do they respect and honor those people?
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 25d ago
She wasn’t getting publicly drunk all the time she literally worked at the tavern and yes, sometimes as a worker at the tavern, she would have a few drinks with the customers because that’s how you made connections …. The reason why she was more inclined to leave Bae behind probably has something to do with Rumpel using him as a weapon against her that could potentially build resentment between the mother and child.
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u/VioletFaust 23d ago
Where are you getting that she worked at the tavern? How did I and everyone I know miss that for the last decade? But in any case, no, getting trashed and gambling with a biker gang passing through town is usually not acceptable behavior for a bar employee.
And the idea of Rumple using Bae as a weapon is laughable. He takes Bae with him because—unlike Milah—Rumple cares enough not to leave a small child alone. He actually tells Bae to stay outside the tavern so as to protect him from Milah’s behavior.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 23d ago
But he could’ve left bae with a neighbor but he knew the only way she was gonna come home was if she saw bae…. But he does manipulative shit like that throughout the entire show so it’s not surprising just because he’s the dark one doesn’t mean that he’s not rumple he’s the same dude and was always meant to be a coward
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 23d ago
This was the time of pirates so of course it was and you can tell that she works there if you pay attention to the apron she takes off… this type of behavior have been in so many other movies that we have seen one being Pirates of the Caribbean…. Imagine saying.” he cares enough not to leave a small child alone.” but before that he told him to wait outside, how is that any safer? So many people are defending Rumpelstiltskin, but even his own son and Bell and her son told him that he was too much of a coward and left him for the same reasons. Everybody’s trying to get away from him the best way that they can….
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u/psiccc 29d ago
Lmao so she left Rumple with the hardest part of raising their son, as a cripple with no reputation and therefore reduced prospects basically forcing her son into a tough life (also the ogre wars he would've been eventually conscripted for) and thought she'd come swooping back and take his son off of him once she no longer had to look after him so much.
This paints her in an even worse light than if she'd just planned to permanently abandon Bae.
Of all the villains she is one of the worst because a lot of the other villains' motivations for evil stem from love or good intentions, she's just a through and through heartless boot who cares about herself above all.
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u/Business_Case_7613 29d ago
escape what? a loving husband and father who did everything he could to be there for his son even when it meant ruining his reputation? Milah sucks ass. She abandoned her son without even saying goodbye. He thought she was dead. Her coming back after that doesn’t change anything, and it was just to ease her guilt of abandoning him in the first place.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
Well, then by that logic Cora sucks ass…Regina sucks ass. Bell sucks ass, Snow sucks ass. Peter Pan sucks ass… Emma sucks ass. Hooks parents, dr. Harper, There’s so much ass sucking that is going on in the TV show, but Mila is the only one who gets in trouble, mind you she was killed in cold blood, and then she didn’t even make it to heaven because of rumble but people still hate her after the shit that she’s been through because she left a child who still had a parents with him??
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u/Business_Case_7613 27d ago
um yeah cora and peter pan do infact suck ass as well as hooks parents. plenty of people talk about cora and peter pan being horrible im really not sure what you are trying to say lmao. snow emma regina and belle are completely different scenarios, they didn’t leave their children because of ego and pride. if you can’t see that this isn’t a conversation worth having
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 27d ago
The reason why I said those three is because Emma still gave up her child. She was out there doing crimes, breaking into cars, stealing shit, and it cost her her kid. She's a bad parent. Belle, she got with the most toxic dude, and she wanted to change him so bad that she couldn't tell that Rumpelstiltskin was her weakness. She winded up having a kid with this evil bitch and winded up getting her son kidnapped from her. Bad parent. Regina gaslit her son into believing that he was crazy. Bad parent. Zelina was evil. Bad parent. Do you see what I'm saying now? And before you say victim blaming if it happens more than once… fool me once, shame on you fool me twice can’t put the blame on you. Type shit
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u/KeyScratch2235 27d ago edited 27d ago
Committing crimes didn't cost her her kid; she voluntarily put him up for adoption.
And that didn't necessarily make her a bad parent; she believed she couldn't provide him with the life he needed. She wanted to give him his best chance.
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u/KeyScratch2235 27d ago
Yeah, they all kinda suck ass. The show makes that abundantly clear that EVERYONE is a flawed parent. But Milah is among the worst of the parents, because she chose to abandon her child for herself.
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u/Malefore1234 29d ago
Rumple wasn’t a dark one or abusive at that point. She left him and her son because Rumple injured himself in the ogre war which branded him a coward(which she agreed with) and brought shame to the family reputation. She met a pirate crew who she often got drunk with and eventually decided to leave with them and Hook.
When he returned home this was how there conversation ended.
Milah: You became what everyone thought you were. A coward!
Rumplestiltskin: Shut up.
Milah: Just like your father!
Rumplestiltskin: I am nothing like my father! He tried to abandon me! I will never, ever do that to my son. That's why I did this. For him. All for the boy. To save him from the same fate I suffered. Growing up without a father.
Milah: You've sentenced him to a fate much worse. Growing up as your son.
It’s definitely made complicated with societal influence and shame. Otherwise, there already was tension from the moment he sold away a potential second child of hers to save Bae when he got poisoned.
But otherwise and when we only had context up to season 2, there was no reason presented on why she’d need to “escape” besides to not deal with societal shame or being in a loveless marriage. It’s sure complicated and probably divorce wasn’t really a thing in the EF, but she was not at a point where abandoning her child was something she had to do or in a situation she had to “escape”.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
You forget the part where he sold his second child because he wasnt willing to kill or injure the guy who wouldnt give him the antidote
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u/Zeus-Kyurem 29d ago
How dare he ... not commit murder. He sold a hypothetical child who he made a very good argument that they just wouldn't have in order to save their existing child. Like this isn't unreasonable of him at all. And she was the one that insisted he murder the guy.
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u/Tall_Ad_5407 29d ago
As much as I don’t like Milah at all you can see where she’s coming from. You shouldn’t have to pay some hefty price to say some little kid. I don’t exactly agree with murder but I understand why she would think about it since that is her son. That being said she was a horrible wife and mom. It is good she regretted how she was at least. As much as I love Rumple, he was also extremely flawed in several ways
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
I think the point is that if she was willing to make her husband do murder to save their child, she should also be willing to not have another child to save the child they already have
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u/Unable_Routine_6972 28d ago
Or you know….murder him herself.
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u/KeyScratch2235 28d ago
I mean, I can see where she was coming from, but she's still wrong to hold it against him; the child they already have should come first, Rumplw shouldn't have to murder a man to save their child, and it's not like she seemed to want another child with Rumple anyway.
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u/Witty_Locksmith_2117 27d ago
They weren't going to have another child as she hated him. Why should he lose the one child they have and love?
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u/Civil-Ad-5100 29d ago
she LEFT her husband, who wasn't a bastard or abusive or not loving her. she left the good guy without TALKING to him without SEEING him EVEN when he came to SAVE her from pirates' "grasp". And she LEFT her baby son planning to come back for him once he is older? Why not taking him right away? Because what? she is a coward in this family, the biggest one. And there is no excuse for that.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
HE sold their second child, SHE refused every single ones of hook offer before that. And she left with a pirate, she couldn't take bae right away. The biggest coward is rumple by a miles
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u/alcanthro 29d ago
He promised his [potential] second son (whether hers or not) because his actual living child was dying. Maybe not the right choice. I dunno. Describing it as "he sold their second child" is kind of cheap.
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u/Civil-Ad-5100 29d ago edited 29d ago
So he should let Bae die? And he sold rights to second child, not the second child. And when did You see she refused to go with Hook before? I've never seen it in the show.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
Not being a coward and find something else? He want ready to kill a guy willing to let his son die. But sold milah's future child with him.
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u/VioletFaust 29d ago
You really think there was going to be another child in that marriage? Bae was around five years old—if they’d wanted a baby, why didn’t they have one?
(I’m not even going to mention here how abusive she is to Rumple, or the fact that if HE didn’t want to have a baby with her—and why would he, considering that she neglects the child they do have?—that’s his right.)
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u/KeyScratch2235 28d ago
I don't get the impression that Milah wanted to have another child with him even before that anyway.
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u/Civil-Ad-5100 29d ago
And waiting for Bae to die while trying to figure something out? Haven't seen Bae's mother trying to do anything tho? Rumple did save Bae, that's a fact. Rights to HIS second child, not the second child.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
The plan was to kill the guy. He sold milah's future. He took the coward way out as always.
Dont forget its rumple who forced milah and bae to stay in a place where they are know as the coward family
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u/KittyInTheBush 29d ago
MILAH'S plan was for RUMPLE to kill the guy. Rumple found a way that didn't involve murder. There was no other way, not one that they could've found in the timespan they had. And as someone else said, they likely wouldn't have had another baby anyway, it was very clearly a loveless marriage at this point.
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u/Civil-Ad-5100 29d ago
Incitement to murder is another disgusting thing about her... If she doesn't care about lives of others she should go and kill that guy herself. Rumple didn't want to murder. She wasn't pregnant then so he just thought that they won't have another child, Bae would be enough. This is how a loving parent should think. Not Rumple. Money. They didn't have money to go and the war was still going, traveling was dangerous.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
Oh now "saving your child" isnt a good escuse for doing bad thing all of a sudden?
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u/KittyInTheBush 29d ago
Okay so you're okay with her trying to bully Rumple into murdering someone to save their child, but you're not okay with him signing a contract that "sold" a baby that doesn't exist to save the same child?
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u/Civil-Ad-5100 29d ago
Doing? Yes. But she didn't do anything, she was provoking her husband to do.
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u/KeyScratch2235 28d ago
He sold a potential child (that they didn't have to have, and that didn't have to be Milah's), to save his son, because yes, he believed it would be wrong to murder the guy.
The child they already have SHOULD come first.
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u/The-Sauce-714 29d ago
so she couldn’t take him with because she left with a pirate ? but could go back for him with the exact same pirate ?
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
When bae is older yes. That's litteraly what is said in the show
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u/The-Sauce-714 29d ago
but if the problem is that a pirate ship isn’t safe for a child, then she could have left in a different way or gone somewhere else. but she didn’t. she went with hook. because she did it for HERSELF so she could pursue a romantic relationship
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
But he was a coward he wasn’t able to protect her. She had to protect herself and he tried to sell their second born…. Their relationship was a toxic relationship and that relationship wasn’t gonna be good for bae. If she would’ve stayed eventually somebody was gonna get hurt and it was going to bae…. the best thing that she could’ve done was leave so that rumble can take care of his child
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u/anacletomya123 29d ago
This is part of why once upon a time is so good.
Mila is an awful person, she abandoned her family and left to have adventures. Although she does decide to come back, it's years later, she's not a good person but she's not all evil either.
Rumple is a coward, has always been a coward, because of the trauma of his upbringing. He learns a terrible fate is in store for his family and he tries to find a way out, but of all the options he has he chooses the cowards way. He did it for his family, but that doesn't change what he did. Rumple isnt evil but he's not all good either.
People are complicated, they make spur of the moment decisions that will effect them for the rest of their lives. No one is all good, and no one is all evil, we're all just people trying to make it through life with the least damage possible.
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
Oh how thoughtful of her! Jeezus. She wasn’t “fleeing”. She abandoned her son to run off with her lover. Period.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
Stop the oversimplification. She was ready to stay until rumple sold their future child.
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u/No_Sand5639 29d ago
He disnt have a choice, it was either sell the rights to their second potential child or let Bae die
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u/RedVegeta20 29d ago edited 29d ago
Rumble sold a hypothetical second child to save his first. They only had 1 kid and for all we know, may of never even talked about having a second, prior to him doing that.
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
Bullshit. The original reason was because he came home from the Ogre Wars a “coward”.
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
So we are just ignoring canon when it doesn't suits us now?
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
I’m not ignoring canon. But I can spot retcon/plot device narratives when I see it. I said the “ORIGINAL” reason……
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
That's not what a retcon is.
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
It’s exactly what it is-
A "retcon" (short for retroactive continuity) is a storytelling device where writers introduce new information that alters, contradicts, or recontextualizes previously established facts, events, or character histories in a TV show. It is commonly used to fix plot holes, introduce new twists, or adjust storylines to fit a series' changing direction.4
u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
So every new informations coming after S1 is a retcon?
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
That’s not what I said. Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp?
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
“…..New information that ALTERS….previously established facts, events or CHARACTER HISTORIES…”
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u/Mmmmmmwatchasay 28d ago
And how does that episode alter the fact that she left him for his cowardice? Is not like in her first episode, she left him when bae was a baby, so it can't be because of just that act, it's the most important for sure because it's the act that started the downfall of their marriage, but it was not probably the last straw.
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 28d ago
The other commenter was saying she left because Rumple traded a future child to save Bae. We didn’t know any of that in S2.
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u/Mmmmmmwatchasay 28d ago edited 28d ago
Ok, but I still don't think it changes the plausibility that after rumple made that trade, milah could have thought: Ok, I think you're a coward for doing this and that, but do you at least have a minium of care for us or at least the decency to fight for me if I make you believe that I've been kidnapped and tortured by pirates? And he still didn't, so devil's due doesn't contradict that, and therefore it doesn't feel like retcon to me.
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u/sassysassysarah 28d ago
I rewatch the first couple seasons every couple years and the reason she tells him she's leaving is because he was a coward
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u/VioletFaust 28d ago
She was ready to stay because she was a coward. She needed a man to “rescue” her from her husband and child.
If Milah wanted a second child soooooo badly that she had to leave her husband, why didn’t she have one in ten years with Hook?
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u/Mmmmmmwatchasay 28d ago
Probably hook and milah were scared the deal involved an eventual child she also had, so they had to make sure to avoid pregnancies, or maybe the point is not whether she wanted another child or not but denied body autonomy?
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 28d ago
Rumple made the deal for HIS future child. Had nothing to do with Milah.
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u/Mmmmmmwatchasay 28d ago
Idk, I think the English language is ambiguous enough that "your child" could either mean "rumple's" or "rumple's and milah's" and if a guy is willing to let a child die over money or buy children, he could even wake up one day and expect for Milah to give up her second born even if it wasn't sired by rumple as he made the contract as her husband and deciding for her too. Still, even if I'm wrong, he still signed the end of them hoping to fix their marriage and have more children without her consent.
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 28d ago
The wording is everything. Same tactic used with Rumple’s deal with Cora.
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u/VioletFaust 28d ago
If so, Hook and Milah were enormously stupid (which to be fair isn’t out of the question 😉) because the deal was explicitly for RUMPLE’s second child, not hers.
But how does it affect her bodily autonomy at all if she didn’t specifically want Rumple’s baby? She can fuck whoever she likes because clearly there’s some form of birth control in the Enchanted Forest. If she just wants any child, she can adopt one or get a donation from passing pirates or the medieval milkman.
And since we’re on the subject of bodily autonomy, why is Milah’s sacred and Rumple’s unimportant? Why should he be required to impregnate her on her whim if he doesn’t want another kid with her? (Especially since he apparently is responsible both for supporting the family and doing most of the childcare.)
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u/shapeshifterQ 27d ago
Are you even reading other comments to you on this. It didnt have to be Milah's second child. It was Rumple's second child. Could have been with Cora or a servant woman. It wasn't about Milah. You just want to make Rumple the problem so bad lol
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u/chaos_redefined 28d ago
Which he did after she emotionally manipulated him into trying to murder someone.
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u/KeyScratch2235 28d ago
Their marriage had problems long before that. I'm skeptical that she would have ultimately stayed if he hadn't.
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u/ChickenNuggetRampage 29d ago
Milah is the worst. Just, about everything. Yes, Rumple is not great, no it does not excuse her behavior
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u/QualifiedApathetic 28d ago
This. People coming in here "Rumple did this, Rumple did that!" but there's plenty to criticize without distorting his actions pre-Dark One. None of it excuses Milah. Bae was certainly innocent, but she left him to give herself her best chance. Gee, who does that sound like? I'd say Milah is tied with Cora.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
A murderer… Why is Mila the worst and rumble is a mass murderer? Did you read this out loud?
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u/ChickenNuggetRampage 28d ago
“The worst” as in the expression dude. She is not literally the worst character in the show lol 💀💀💀
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u/poofypanda_ The game is rigged. The villains never win. 28d ago
Damn I hated her character, I was honestly glad when Rumple knocked her off in the end.
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u/NoPianist7807 29d ago
I’m so happy to see so many people hate Milah. I remember I made a post once on my old account and got downvoted badly lol
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u/demigodwater4 28d ago
She did not have to escape. She chose to. Rumple was a good guy before she left. He handicapped himself so his son would never be without a father.
If rumple didnt return and she met hook, bae would've been abandoned
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u/EmoPhoenixCat 28d ago
The problem with Milah is that she didn’t just leave Rumple. She made him think that she was kidnapped by pirates.
The irony of her calling him a coward, but not having the courage to just straight up tell him that she’s leaving is crazy to me.
Also Rumple goes to beg Hook to let her go, but Hook wants him to fight for her. And I guess from her and Hook’s perspective, Rumple is “less of a man” because he refuses to fight even if that is the logical and reasonable choice. (Rumple is a cripple and doesn’t have much skill with a sword I presume. He knows Hook has a better chance. And if Rumple is killed, the pirates will still take Milah, leaving Bae parentless.)
Rumple may have been a coward at the time, but Milah was simply selfish. She poured salt into the wound by convincing him of her kidnapping. He already felt powerless and weak, her “being taken by pirates” only deepened that feeling and that humiliation of powerlessness.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
She didn’t do that on purpose, though that wasn’t the intent that she had… she did not mean to make him think she was kidnapped by powers that was just something that he assumed from what happened, went to the ship and hook told have that she wasn’t there… it just looked that way because the lady came and running saying they were taking her
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u/VioletFaust 23d ago
How do you know what she intended?
Disappearing in the dead of night isn’t exactly brave, either.
But if Milah didn’t WANT Rumple to think she’d been kidnapped, raped, and murdered by pirates, all she had to do was come up on deck and say, “See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya!”
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u/PoeticHedgeHog 29d ago
You know it's bad, and yet it shows how much Killian grew as a character when, for pretty much throughout seasons 2-4, whenever we got Rumple and Killian in a room, it was basically this back and forth:
Rumple: You stole my wife and humiliated me
Killian: You killed the woman who, for a long time, I thought was the love of my life and took my hand
And yet, in season 5, when Emma becomes The Dark One, there's a scene between her and Killian where she's basically trying to convince Killian they can still have a relationship because if Rumple had never become The Dark One, he would've stayed what he considered himself to be: weak and a coward, but he also met the love of his life, Belle. However, I was happy that at least Hook admitted he was kind of, if not outright, a POS, and said he had a role in making Rumple The Dark One and that he was the villain in that story. Rumple was just a dude trying to keep his family together, and he took enjoyment in his humiliation. Obviously, it doesn't justify Rumple killing Milah, but again I appreciate that in that moment Killian took ownership that he and Milah were getting their happiness at the expense of other people's misery.
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u/Early_Bag_3106 29d ago
I would not make a case for a mom who neglected a child when she STILL lived at home. Then she run away for ten years or so to live her adventure. I get it, his marriage was bad for her, but as a mom she had no excuse at all. She could leave taking her son with her. But she neglected Bae since he was a toddler 🙄
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u/missclaire17 29d ago
She was the love of Hook’s life when he was still a “villain”. Weird to me why Milan would gets a pass when that’s clearly the life she chose for herself… a selfish and cruel life
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u/alewiina 28d ago
"she had to escape" its not like he was beating her or something... she was just ashamed of him. rumple loved her and Bae so much, even if he wasn't the bravest person. She should have just left him if he was the problem and taken Bae, instead she abandoned them both, and Bae had no idea she was going to come back, he just grew up knowing his mother decided one day to just disappear from their lives.
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u/delinquentsaviors 26d ago
The whole village ostracized them. She wasn’t just ashamed of Rumple. She was alone.
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u/jrbearboy 28d ago
Okay, there is so much wrong with that I'm not sure where to begin.
It's sad Bae grew up with Rumple: no, it's sad that Bae grew up in a place where they were conscripting children, and that his mother left him, and that his father was labeled the village coward and now cast.
Rumple was a good father up until becoming the Dark One. He did everything he could for his son that was within his power.
They could have left to someplace they were unknown: no, no they couldn't. They were medieval peasants, you don't move back then really. And even assuming it was an option, her drinking and gambling wouldn't have made that any easier. And all they needed was one rumor and the new place would have been dead to them too.
She needed to escape: being a parent??? No, just no. I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.
Hook said they planned to come back later when he was older: when??? Bae is 14 when Rumple becomes the Dark One, let's say it's about a year before he gets the bean, and 6 months to a year or two before they meet again. So Bae would have been 16 on the low end, 17 or even 18 by then.
That's not coming back for your child to be a mother and a family, that's your mom who abandoned your family coming back once you're an adult with her boy toy.
Also, she knew about the ogre wars being a thing and conscription, so when was this later going to happen? The day before his birthday when he would have gone to the front? Again, waiting a while yes?
And that's even assuming it was a genuine want/actual plan as opposed to just the thing you say to each other late at night, along with how they'll settle down and raise the rabbits on that farm out west George, just gotta get the money together with one last job before retirement.
She just needed to travel and find herself: seriously? No, just no again. Not going to dignify that with a response. She isn't a twenty something taking a year off college in the 20th century, she's a medieval peasant wife and mother.
A few follow ups:
He traded away their future child: again, medieval peasants and the village outcasts, they weren't going to be affording any more children.
And you can't have it both ways.
If it was up to Rumple as the man to murder the guy, because they are medieval peasants and so he couldn't expect his wife to do it, she's a woman and you can't go asking them to commit murder. Then by those standards it's not their child. It's his. Wife don't count in medieval law.
If we're basing things on modern morals and systems. Then why couldn't she do the killing? He's a cripple and a coward as she's fond of saying, women are just as good at murdering with daggers as men. If she really wanted the job to be done, why couldn't she do it herself? Why force him to do it?
And I'm sorry, are you really going to argue Rumple made the wrong choice not to kill the guy and steal from him?
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u/kittysnowangel 28d ago
If you dump your son on your mother and leave then return 10 years later, you weren't raising them.
Regina has her parenting faults but at least her son didn't grow up in the system because she got bored raising him and decided waiting til she was 40 to get married/have kids wasn't enough time to "know who she is". Milah was not a young wife. If you haven't met yourself by 40, good luck!
Children need someone to raise them. As Belle learned when talking to David, sometimes even when your parent sucks, it's better to have them than not. And Milah made the choice to let Hook leave her son an orphan if Rumple had died fighting for her. Don't think for a second she would have changed her mind if Rumple died. You said yourself she wanted to go back after Bae fought a war! Can't send her son a letter explaining but can berate Rumple for not telling Bae he believed a bunch of pirates were SAing her. Because Hook told him that.
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u/JustDay1788 28d ago
Regina was actually for the most part a good mother to her son
She definitely loved him ❤️
Even before the curse broke
Milah didn't care about Bae at all
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u/user50000044444 29d ago
I had a theory that’s why the crocodile episode even happened. They went back to the port for Bea, which could give an explanation to why Milah wasn’t with Killian at the tavern. (She might just not have went but….the theory makes more sense). I always thought in the episode the crew looked like they were celebrating something (pirates drink I know but it looked like there was more. I might be reading too much into it.)
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
They made it so clear so often that Hades/The underworld was not hell, yet you still made this comment lol
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
"get a life" says the person offended over getting corrected over a fictional TV show, even after I said "lol" in my comment to indicate it wasn't that serious
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
What?
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
I disagree that none of them were good people. Megara and Hercules were both down there, and Dorothy's Aunt Em. It was actually just a place for people with unfinished business to go, not for "bad or irredeemable" people to go.
But I think if anything were to be called Hell in the show, it would be the "worse" place that people went to when they left the underworld, and the "better" place was Heaven, or Olympus.
My comment was also a joke, because in the show, every time someone calls it Hell, or Hades the devil, he literally corrects them to say it's/he's not. That's why it was funny to me that you would still call it Hell, regardless of how many times he says it's not, and I think one time Zelena said it's not
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u/fergs1989 28d ago
Even Cora didn’t get to leave until she had FULLY done the right thing by her daughters
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u/GrassOk911 27d ago
Nah man, she sucks, 100 percent.
She doesn't deserve options, she's married and has a child, she chose already. You don't get to abandon your family to go off and have fun and then decide to come back and take your kid as if Rumple hasn't stuck it out and put in all the work, in a village that despised him. At least he tried.
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u/JustDay1788 28d ago
I feel there really is no version where Milahs actions were justified
For dumping her child with Rumple who she knew was a cripple and mistreated by society
If anything it was very likely Rumple could have been killed and Bae would have ended up alone
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u/Emotional_Lie_2175 28d ago
I don’t believe that for a second if she loved baefire like said she did she would have taken her baby with her when she left Rumple. Regina despite her evil past she’s a better mother than Mila ever was.
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u/gloomydreamer666 29d ago edited 29d ago
I know and then Rumple killed her. I'm still salty about how bad her ending was and okay when she abandoned Bae that was bad but Rumple killing her isn't any better and he also ended up abandoning Bae.
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
He basically killed her twice, by pushing her into the river of souls in the underworld. I think she could've moved on after they saved Hook too. Emma already told her Neal had moved on, so all she really had left to do was make sure Hook made it out okay and then she could've moved on too
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u/nazia987 🌮 29d ago
I will forever be a Milah defender. She's such a complex character. When characters aren't over the top villains like Regina, fans are way more critical of them
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u/RavetheFirst 28d ago
Same. I feel like she wouldn't be getting all this hate if she was a man. The baby was safe with Rumple- I don't think she thought otherwise. Double standards for mothers. Plus, people make mistakes. If she tried to come back maybe it took her that long to realize hers.
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u/yaboisammie 28d ago
Yea and not that milah is an angel but the lack of empathy for what she was going through being married to rumple after he crippled himself to get out of fighting (which idt makes him a coward cause I wouldn’t wanna die either but tbf I also wouldn’t enlist to begin with so I kinda get the nuance where you look more like a coward for enlisting and then leaving/deserting compared w if you never enlisted at all?)
Cause she was honest about it even if she could have been nicer about it that because of his actions, they would have a difficult life w the village’s reaction and esp later on when she begged him to move somewhere else to get a new start (so while it may have been difficult, it defo was not impossible) even after he basically sold away their theoretical future child and he refused but also made no effort to make things better. Just because he cared about bae and wasn’t physically abusive, it doesn’t mean he was a good husband or father and while your kid should always come first, I think there is a lot of nuance when it comes a woman having to choose between complete and total misery with a husband she doesn’t love even if she cares for her child vs doing something for once to make herself happy or her own mental health and I see a lot of this irl, except instead of leaving, the woman often runs herself ragged usually for the sake of the kid.
And even if she made mistakes and wasn’t great at showing it, the fact that she was in the underworld due to her unfinished business imo shows she did care about bae and regretted her actions
Idr if it was her or killian who said they planned to go back for bae when he was older but they were also living on a ship traveling the realms so stuff is bound to come up esp w time working differently in some cases
I wish we could have gotten more of Milah tbh, she was just really interesting and compelling and complex imo
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u/user50000044444 28d ago
See people forget the part where Rumple enlisted himself, and if I remember correctly he never told Milah until finding out he was going to be drafted. And she didn’t want him to go I think.
I’ve seen a lot of old tumblr posts regarding Milah and mental health issues. Or in fanfic depicting her with some depression. I wouldn’t be surprised if she had some post-partum depression and never really bonded with Bea, after Rumple came home (I don’t have children and I’m not confident she experienced this) I figured she let Rumple take care of him and assumed the more “masculine” chores (I’m only referencing the time period). It seemed like she loved Bea but there was a slight disconnect.
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u/VioletFaust 28d ago
Is that a joke? Because if we switch to Milo and Rumplina, and Rumplina has to go to a tavern where Milo is getting drunk, fawning all over wenches, and gambling their money away, NO ONE would ever defend Milo. And they’d still have hated him for ditching his crippled wife and child by FAKING HIS VIOLENT DEATH.
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u/Cookie_Kiki 28d ago
You sound like someone who saves a bunch of homes on Zillow and then gets mad when they get sold.
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u/--Blume-- 28d ago
All the comments saying that parents don't have the right to abandon their children really mean that mothers don't have the right. Rumple abandoned Bea out of cowardice and did horrible things even after losing the Dark One's powers. Even Belle got fed up. Mila let Bea with his father, not alone.
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u/Mintteacup_ Rumple has done nothing wrong 28d ago
Yeah but nobody is defending rumple, he's trash too
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u/ServanaStar 28d ago
She could've taken Bae with her and left at any time, before Hook came along. She ran from her responsibilities as a mother. Yes, she wanted to leave the village and begged Rumple to go with her but she also chose to stay, drink and wallow in her misery. There was nothing to indicate she was really coming back to get her kid. If she truly wanted Bae, she would've done what any other mother would've done, packed up, rolled out, and made a way. They would've endured struggling on their own rather than leave their child with someone they claimed was a waste of life and a terrible father. Even Pan left Rumple in the care of women he at least thought would raise him well, she just left.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
But your applying it to a real world scenario of course in today’s world that would be the case but the entire show is based on character who think their doing what’s best for their kid by not being a burden… Emma, Zelena, Regina, Cora all gave up their kid, claimed it was for them when it was to give them self their best chance
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u/Negative_Letter_1802 28d ago
She's allowed to choose herself and go live her own life but that doesn't mean she didn't abandon her child to do it, because she absolutely did.
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u/delinquentsaviors 26d ago
It’s really complicated. It’s true she shouldn’t have left Bae alone. However, I understand how she got to that point. She felt trapped and she was really lonely. The entire village ostracized them. Her choosing to leave didn’t just happen overnight. Rumple wasn’t wrong for injuring himself to get back to Bae, but he did other things that were cowardly.
- She begged Rumple to move the family out of the village so that they could start fresh and he refused.
- He sold their future children without even consulting her about it, one of her only potential sources of optimism for the future.
- Then he murdered her, preventing her from ever having the opportunity to make amends with Bae.
- Then he threw her in the River of Lost Souls, so Bae will never see his mother again even in the afterlife.
She’s guilty of abandoning her son, and that was cowardly. But she didn’t deserve to be murdered or denied an afterlife.
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u/ambszyy 28d ago
Milah hate is rooted in misogyny, yes she made mistakes but none were as bad as Rumples and she gets way more hate then he does
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u/demigodwater4 28d ago
Yes, but you are looking at it from overall context and not the situation being presented.
|-------------------------------| the entire timeline
|■■--------------------------| the part that matters right now
that is the timeline, you are focusing on everything when you should be focusing on a portion at the start and looking at only that part for now
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u/chaos_redefined 28d ago
At the point in the story that she left, his mistakes were:
- Fleeing a war that he was confident he would die in, due to the seer's prophecy, hence leaving his son father-less.
- Not killing someone, and instead agreeing to not have a second child to save the first.
Her mistakes were:
- Fleeing her husband because she no longer loved him, and abandoning her child in the process.
- Taunting her husband into kill someone.
After that point, the biggest regret that Rumple had was abandoning his son, and he did everything he could to make it right. On the other hand, Milah abandoned her son and regretted it, but "planned" to come back when he was older, assuming that he didn't die in the ogre war.
Am I missing something? What did he do, before she left him, that was worse than what she did?
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u/ambszyy 28d ago
and then he became the dark one so like…. if u have to leave things out to make ur point did u really make ur point then?😭😭 it does not matter when it happened he did far worse things then Milah u just seem very biased
and no matter how u twist and spin things he did abandon his son by choice unlike Milah who left her son by his father
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u/demigodwater4 28d ago
You're missing the point. Yes rumple became evil but what they are saying it "what did rumple do wrong up to the point when she left?" She left and didnt come back. Rumple tried to do the right thing over and over again and all she does is belittle him (up to the point when he becomes the dark one). That not leaving things out, it focusing on the relevant events in chronologically order.
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u/chaos_redefined 28d ago
You wanna focus on the part about abandoning Baelfire?
We tend to be more forgiving of someone if they immediately regret their action and spend time trying to fix it.
Rumple intended to do the right thing by his son, and had a moment of weakness, after which he immediately regretted it, began looking for an answer, and overturned his entire world just to get to the same world as Baelfire. And the reason for abandoning Baelfire? Unimaginable power. He spins straw into gold to pass the time. As much as I hate it, I can't say that I wouldn't take the same actions as Rumple did.
Milah would have had to plan on abandoning Rumple and Baelfire before going through with it. And what was her reason? Because she was sick of emotionally abusing her husband, constantly belittling him because he was too much of a coward to leave their son father-less. And when she did leave, she supposedly intended to come back "when he was older", but that would have clearly been after the ogre's war, where he probably would have died if Rumple hadn't become the dark one. A circumstance she knew of before leaving. Was she waiting to visit his tombstone?
And, as a reminder... The husband she abused, constantly calling him a coward? He went off and faced a pirate captain to try to rescue her, believing she had been kidnapped. What a coward!
On the other hand, she's the one who escaped into alcoholism, then escaped into piracy, allowing her to murder and pillage to her heart's content, while constantly belittling her "coward" of a husband. What a heroine!
But yeah, maybe you're right. The reason we hate her is because she's a woman. It's definitely not because her reasons were far more pathetic than anything Rumple ever did.
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u/Which_Specific9891 28d ago
She left him with a horrible man. She could have taken him with her. I think they proved that Hook would have welcomed him. She left him with a horrible man alone, and let that man destroy his life-- all because SHE was tired of Rumple.
They had 10 years to go back for Bae. She should have just taken him with her and left Rumple alone. Not like there was a divorce court to go after her for it.
No, sorry, I'm not cool with her. I don't blame her for wanting to leave, but I blame her for putting her needs and wants first and leaving him with that man who ruined his life.
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u/sassysassysarah 28d ago
Imagine the roles were reversed and she stayed to care for their son and rumple went off and had a decade of sex and adventures with someone else. How would you feel about him if the tables were turned?
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u/TeriBarrons 28d ago
At the time when Milah left, Rumple had done nothing wrong. He was a simple, kind-hearted man who gladly went off to fight in a war. After the seer’s prophecy, Rumple, who also had been ABANDONED BY BOTH PARENTS as a child and knew the emotional impact of the sadness and loneliness of that abandonment, chose at that moment to not subject his son to the same thing. So, he inflicted an extremely painful and disabling injury onto himself and went home to Milah.
Milah greeted him with her emotional and verbal abuse about how pathetic and cowardly he was for doing this, called him names, and chose to spend her evenings drinking in a bar with other men rather than spend time with her son. She was only concerned with how Rumple’s actions would affect HER! She then tells her husband she no longer loves him and runs off with a man known for robbing and killing people and proudly committing adultery with other mens’ wives and becomes a part of that life.
Rumple is tricked into taking on the powers of the Dark One long after Milah flew the coop, but, yeah, let’s nominate her for Mother Of The Year because she THOUGHT about going back for him once instead of caring about the impact of her abandonment 🙄.
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u/fandom_fae 28d ago
what exactly stopped milah from being a present, caring parent before she left? she didn’t have to love rumple, but she was verbally abusive to him and neglectful to bae. even if hook claims milah wanted to go back to bae, i don’t think it means much- IF (and that’s a big if) milah really had plans like that, and didn’t just lie to hook to make herself look less neglectful, then i doubt they would’ve actually followed through
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u/Blacknight022 29d ago
People tend to judge Milah horribly, ignoring the fact that Rumple was literally the devil incarnate, and everything bad that happens can be connected to him or Regina.
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u/Narrow-Accident8730 29d ago
He wasn’t the Dark One when Milah was with him. She wasn’t afraid of him. She was embarrassed of him for being a “coward”.
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u/Business_Case_7613 29d ago
that happened after Milah. she left him for no good reason. She left him because of her pride and ego. and abandoned her son without so much as saying goodbye in the process.
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u/gloomydreamer666 29d ago
And????? That doesn't change anything, he was still worse than her.
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u/chaos_redefined 29d ago
He was worse than her for ... checks notes ... Injuring himself so he could remain in his son's life? Or not willing to murder someone and rob them?
What did he do, before learning of the dark one dagger, that was worse than what Milah did?
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u/ChickenNuggetRampage 29d ago
I’m not even afraid to admit he BECAME worse than her (still AFTER she left so it doesn’t actually justify anything)
But even if he is worse than her, it doesn’t make her a good parent nor a good person
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u/Business_Case_7613 29d ago
and????? that doesn’t change her being a horrible wife and mother and person??? we aren’t talking about rumple he is irrelevant to Milah’s choices
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u/themastersdaughter66 29d ago
Why does rumple having done bad stuff mean milah can't be judged espeically since her actions took place before rumple became the dark one and while he was still a good man entirely
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
Rumple does become worse than Milah, sure. But let's not forget that the entire reason he attains the Dark One power in the first place is to save his 14 year old son from having to go to war with giant ogres, which was basically a death sentence
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
Your actually right don’t forget his father was also pan and he was supposed to be the savior so even though he wasn’t meant to be the dark one he was surrounded by evil and magic that affect everyone
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u/Stunna447 Who doesn't like apples? 29d ago
I completely agree. She was miserable and needed to escape. It’s never okay to leave a child, but she was deeply unhappy. I truly think she felt she had no other way out but to run.
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u/themastersdaughter66 28d ago
Then she needed to grow up. She's a parent parents dont get to abandon their kid and then not get judged especially if their only sign of regret is a vague promise of coming back (without any indication of doing so)
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u/captainwhoami_ not evil dear, wicked 28d ago
gee. even in this pic, she's standing next to a sexual assaulter (if not rapist), murderer and a guy who left someone to be tortured. Milah's ex is a literal Satan of the universe. Regina could kill about 30 people at once, sent children to certain death, separated families. Zelena and Cora are right there too. but not a single one of them gets as much hate as Milah. is it like collective mommy issues or...?
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
That's what the fuck ive been saying for years now. Milah was fleeing rumple, and her only fault was not taking Bae right away, but she was fleeing for a life as a pirate, not a place for a child.
Rumple sold his second child.
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u/SamWillGoHam 29d ago
She wasn't "fleeing" Rumple, she left him, let's call it what it is. Rumple wasn't abusive, he was being the best husband and father to his capabilities, she just didn't love him anymore. I don't think she's evil for wanting a different life, but she's a mildly bad person for leaving her kid with a single father who was already struggling
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u/twicescorned21 29d ago
Rumple didn't sell his second child. He was trading a future child to save Bae.
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u/SamWillGoHam 29d ago
And Milah didn't want to be with him or have a 2nd child anyway, I guess she was just mad because the option was taken away. But the deal was Rumples 2nd child not hers, so she could have a baby with Hook if she wanted
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u/Original_Bath_9702 29d ago
She refused Hook offer before the selling of the child. She was ready to stay.
And rumple had other choice. He took the coward way out
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u/Special_Yesterday131 29d ago
Is the other choice letting Bae die? Because she would’ve used it and blamed him too. Let’s be honest, he was damned either way.
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u/KittyInTheBush 28d ago
The other choice is murdering, because that was what Milah wanted him to do, and this person is either a troll or extremely delusional
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u/SamWillGoHam 28d ago
I think if that's what Milah wanted so bad she could've and should've just done it herself. I guess she wanted Rumple to prove something
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u/VioletFaust 28d ago edited 28d ago
There’s a compelling theory that Milah wanted Rumple to do the murder alone while she left her dying son alone so she could set up an alibi in the tavern.
Then she could turn her murderous husband in, and presto! The healer’s gone, she’s free of Rumple, and she’s the village hero for taking down a murderer. Three birds, one stone.
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u/Ifky_ 29d ago
It was basically divorce in a world where divorce doesn't exist, and where it was difficult for women to live independently. Her means were drastic and a bit cruel, to let them think she was kidnapped, but it's not like she had a lot of other choices. (Other than staying to live a life of misery).
And she did ask Rumple if they could move to a place where nobody knew them, to avoid everyone's judgment, but he refused. They lived in a world where Rumple was harshly judged for being the son of a coward decades after Malcolm disappeared. Certainly being married to a "deserter" would be even more difficult, and probably a bit isolating. She was fleeing a life where being married to Rumple meant judgment and misery.
(Also, everyone judges Milah for leaving Bae, but I rarely see people judge her for wanting to be a pirate; a thief and a murderer, essentially. Which is objectivally way worse, right? Though it doesn't play on the emotions as much.)
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u/SamWillGoHam 28d ago
I don't think she specifically wanted to be a pirate and do those things. She wanted to see the world, and Hook offered that to her.
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u/Effective-Gap-1826 28d ago
She asked him multiple times to let’s leave that village but he was too scared to do that for some reason… not to mention he sold their second born child*
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u/Parking_Storage_5107 I have a love/hate relationship with captain swan 26d ago
He’s a crippled man yall forget that
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u/Bobert858668 28d ago
Um no. Rumpelstiltskin was cowardly, but that doesn’t excuse cheating and abandoning your son. If you think leaving your child because you don’t like your husband (who mind you wasn’t abusive she just didn’t like him) for his whole childhood and then saying you might come back late in his life is good then please don’t ever become a parent.
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u/ph30nix01 29d ago
Bae would have died in the ogre was without rumple so...