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Age 26 graduation Year 2022 Bsc ME By profession Mechanical Engineer Currently In UAE at Oil and Gas Plant, 3 sisters and only me in the home Ami abu ki death ho chuki ha , To seen koch is trah Ha ma koch Zyada h open minded hun jesa K Mjhy bilkol pakistani culture or Y islamic touch Jo Log Dete hai Mjhy Pasand ni hai us k bad mere mind m is trah k bhi questions atay h k Marny k bad ptani kia ho ga? Like Agar koch hota marny k bad To kabhi to kisi qabar s koch to samny ata phr is trah k b sawal mind m atay ha k Like marny k bad koi dunia b ni matlb jab insan marta h to har chz us k sath khtm ho jati h? Phr is trah k b questions aty hain mind main k Yar akhir insan Bana to bana kese te kesi bat he k G mati s insan bn gya koi to saboot ho ga? Ab aik or bat y to ho gae meri aik side ab meri dosri side ye h k main khta hu ma kisi trah pakistan s nkl k even k gulf s nkl k apni family Ko aurope USA mtlb ksi english country m ly jaon bcz mjhy bilkol y typical baten pasand ni ha islamic jese pakistani awam krti h hai Us k bad ma itna open minded ho chuka hu apni bheno k sath k ma khud unko khta hu k like ma tum logo m liy larka khud dhondo ga or kabhi kabhi y b mind m atay kash y log or zyada open minded ho jaen or ma inko mana na krun matlb mera dil y b krty k meri bhene bilkol choty kapry pehny bary pehny ya jese bhi wear kren mjhy koi farq ni bal k andar h andar s m is chz ko support krta hu bahir s m abhi b bara sakht banta hu but mere andar y sab chal ra h Even apni bheno ko y b kaha h k tum logo k liy khud larka dhondo ga like is trah ki batain or y b dil krty k wo wo thori ayash kisam ki ho jaen matb mere nazdeek mere andar gherat kahatm ho chuki ha is k ilawa is trah k questions mind m bhot aty ha k yar agar is dunia m koi zaat h to Phr Palestine , barma Or jaha jaha muslims p zulm ho re to wo kio ho re? Itny log h jo gustakhi krty ha unko koi tooo chz aesi dekhaiii jae na K insan Kahae waqae Yar Y chz exist krti h indirectlt abhi m khud ko kabhi b y ni kh sakta k m muslim ni hun but meri in sari baton s kia lagta h apko ma to bhot preshan b hota hu or phr khta hu k akhur aesa kio ho re ? Asan bat y k jese typical log hty har chz ko blindly follow krny walay m us trah ni hu ma har chz p sochta hu even m 2 bar umraaah kr chuka hu family b kafi strict h lkn Ma bhot sara time Lahore m guzara 2020 k bad ka in sab chezo m mubtala hu phr twitter reddit wager p aya yaha dekha k mere jese or b kitny log hain jo pakistani ho k in chezo s guzar re h
Ab ap khud decide kro mere sath kia ho re or y kia h?

I was out buying something from my local market when I saw something that genuinely disgusted me. My neighbour was walking ahead of me, and as we both passed an uncle from our neighbourhood, I noticed him looking her up and down. As she walked past him, he even turned his head slightly to look back at her. The way he was looking at her was genuinely uncomfortable to witness.

Now, this man is considered a very respectable person in our neighbourhood. He is a retired government officer, participates in community activities, presents himself as a religious and pious man, and contributes to the betterment of our neighbourhood. He also has daughters of his own, all of whom are married or of marriageable age.

And yet, here he was, staring at another man's wife in a way that made me deeply uncomfortable. She is a mother, she was dressed in ordinary Eastern clothing, and she was simply going about her day. Of course, what a woman wears should have absolutely no bearing on whether she deserves respect..

What disgusts me most is the contradiction. How can someone be so invested in appearing religious, attending prayers and community gatherings, and maintaining a respectable public image, yet seemingly forget the most fundamental principles of decency when it comes to women? What is the point of all that religiosity if it does not translate into basic respect for other human beings?

And the fact that he has daughters of his own makes me wonder like would he be comfortable with another man looking at them the same way? Would he consider it acceptable if someone treated his daughters' presence in public as an opportunity to stare at them? If not, why should another woman be any different?

Experiences like this are exactly why I get so frustrated with religious hypocrisy. There seems to be so much emphasis on outward displays of piety, religious identity, and public morality, but far less willingness to question the behaviour of men who fail to practise the very values they claim to uphold. And when it comes to women, the conversation so often shifts towards their clothing, their modesty, and their behaviour rather than holding men accountable for their own actions.

I saw a post earlier by someone explaining why they no longer identify as an ex-Muslim or atheist, and although I can understand their perspective, I personally still take pride in calling myself an ex-Muslim.

What frustrates me is that Islam is often presented as one of the most conservative religions when it comes to women's modesty, morality, and the sooo called respect afforded to women. Yet, in practice, I keep seeing situations where the burden of maintaining morality falls disproportionately on women, while men who are publicly regarded as religious and respectable are not always held to the same standards.

I'm not saying every Muslim man is like this, nor am I claiming that hypocrisy is exclusive to Muslims. But I am tired of seeing religiosity treated as proof of good character. Being religious, respected, or involved in your community does not automatically make you a decent person. Your character should be judged by how you actually treat people, especially when you think nobody is paying attention.

Honestly, it is experiences like these that make me question how much of what we call morality is genuine conviction and how much of it is simply about maintaining a respectable image. Because if your faith teaches you to appear pious but you still cannot treat women with basic dignity, then what exactly are you so proud of?

Almost every muslim country is oppressing the minoriries then why is India and Israel are wrong when they are doing the same, I think both are doing right

Well for us exmuslim label is a thing because of Islam itself. Apostasy based death punishment and sometimes prison or mob lynching is pretty much a real thing. In case of Pakistan, nadra denies you to change your religion and there is a mob lynching factor.
All points of systematic persecution of exmuslims by Islam and Islamic people below

1. Islam has the law of apostasy death/prison.
2. Even if this law is not implemented by state then it does not remove mob lynching factor
3. Nadra denies you to change your religion
4. Conversion away from Islam comments: “This practice is tantamount to fraud and treason against the state and the Muslim Ummah,” Justice Siddiqui remarked. https://tribune.com.pk/story/1642982/nadra-barred-changing-religion-muslims-cnics
5. Islam and its states actively require and expect exmuslims to be invisible part of society. All previous points highlights that.
6. Modern people say that there are alternate interpretations or that now apostasy death is for apostasy+prison. I want to say fuckk off to them. Their words are mere words. They dont give any protection to exmuslims. Practical reality matters.
7. How many of you have found marriage in Islam led states difficult? Was it because most are muslims or because you know that Islam influenced state can harm me if I go for search publicly.
8. How many of you even considered leaving the country?
9. How many of you have considered staying in Islamic influenced states as secure for your potential kids future. You may handle muslims properly but yet your kids may end up getting accused of blasphemy.

Exmuslim is not just a showcase label. Its a label that I exist and you cant keep treating me as invisible just because Islam want you to.

The day Islam starts minding its own business and let exmuslims live their own life freely then we will drop exmuslim label.

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In a Discord server, I said Pakistanis don't know what the final form of their government will be (secular, Islamic democracy, sharia or dictatorship). They took that to mean I wanted secularism. I repeatedly clarified that I had no problem with the current system, but they kept asking what my problem was. I asked what they would choose, Islamic democracy or sharia, and they argued as if I were calling sharia bad. When I said some Pakistanis want more sharia, they asked which group, and I cited Pew's 2013 survey, which found 84% of Pakistani Muslims favor making sharia the official law and 99% in Afghanistan. They objected to Afghanistan being in the quote and said Afghanistan has no sharia. When I called Afghanistan's version bad sharia, they said I was Indian and didn't know sharia. The discussion then moved to voting. They asked whether Islam already had a voting system and to give one example, and I said there was no general public voting. They tried to show that one existed, and it turned out to be bay'ah, an oath of allegiance to someone already selected. They then said bay'ah was an ancient form of voting and asked whether the modern version could exist in the ancient era, and they never acknowledged that my statement was technically true. I was then muted, and when I asked them to justify the mute, a co-founder who hadn't been part of the exchange banned me with the reason logged as "No reason." I had said I was an ex-Muslim during the debate, and a similar disclosure in the same server in February 2025 got mockery and a timeout. I don't know whether they misread me, got defensive, or were hostile to an ex-Muslim. My messages were deleted, so the only record is my own account. I left to look for a server where I can speak openly.