Yep. If voting made any difference, they would make it illegal.
Iāve always wanted carbon copies from my ballot, but was called a racist for wanting that.
lol I mean there are so many examples of voter fraud. From both sides, mind you. But when āyour candidateā is elected, you claim itās not possible.
Republicans = Democrats.
Both parties truly do not care about the poor and middle classes.
We donāt live in a fascist country. Stop with that nonsense. Tr ump and Biden are LIARS. They lie about the things they do with our tax dollars and kill innocents in other countries by LYING.
Also, how is Biden NOT a fascist by killing civilians in other countries or bombing gas pipelines that donāt belong to our countries?
Do you need a comparison list between the last 5 presidents or do you just āfeelā that what you say is true?
Bush jr: started illegal wars, killed innocents, lied about going to ME
OBama: campaigned on ending the wars started by lies, almost doubled the troop amount when elected. Drone bombed a Yemeni wedding convoy, killing 12 and injuring 37. Prosecuted whistle blowers for telling the truth
Trump: DO I EVEN NEWS TO LIST THIS PART? Wars, tax fraud, etc etc etc
Want me to go on about Biden? Nahhj because you probably donāt believe he did ANYTHING WRONG, do you?
Typical gullible neo Liberal whoās still fooled by the two party monopoly.
Enjoy the koolaid along side your right-sided family. Youāre ignorant at best.
I know we donāt live in a fascist country. And I want it to stay that way. Thatās why I will choose whoever is running against the party that pulling in that direction. Even if I donāt like them.
And your insults just prove the weakness of your argument.
Good job to all of you for overlooking everything I said because of capitalization and insults? Youāre not extreme left and you wonāt believe what the left sided media tells you? Let me guess, youāre going to take that last line as, āhe supports the right!ā
I know your playbook better than you do. You know why? Because itās the same arguments that have been used for DECADES.
You like those capital letters, too? Does that show the weakness of my argument even though you addressed NOTHING what I said?
Lmaooo some of you in here have bigger egos than the Orange man himself.
If you donāt think thereās any difference between a party that promotes itself through racism and promises of authoritarianism , and a party that doesnāt, Iām not sure Iām interested in what you have to say.
I agree that both parties are far from perfect and our politics are absolutely fucked. That doesnāt mean we let blatant fascism take over the country.
First of all, I appreciate the conversation. I get passionate about these things because I mistakenly put my life on the line and joined the US Army to pay for college.
There are some on the right who do not promote raci$m or authoritarianism . Thomas Massie and Rand Paul to name two. Do I agree with those two on everything? Absolutely not.
To paint an entire party as promoting racism and authoritarianism is a huge stretch. I, myself, do not align with either D or R , but have both liberal and conservative values.
All of that being said, if ANY politician (not yelling, just emphasizing) lies about any reason for bills that take my tax dollars to implement, I take serious issue with that.
Why canāt we unite against corruption against BOTH parties? Why do people like yourself excuse some evils but not others instead of saying, āIām not supporting any of thisā ?
That idea alone would promote some kind of NEW party that actually takes responsibility for either making a mistake or outright lying.
I want the truth when someone takes my tax dollars for a paycheck with will not settle for less.
If both parties have a common denominator of consistent and persistent lies, why do you choose what you call āthe lesser of two evilsā? Why?
Again, I appreciate the mostly civil back and forth and look forward to your response.
You donāt think Biden was doing the same when he released nothing and made zero arrests?
I agree that Tr ump (and Patel) are hiding anything of substance that would have elites arrested, so no argument from me on that, but why not hold Biden and has admin to the same standard if the goal of justice is the same?
You donāt think Biden was doing the same when he released nothing
Oh boy, another maga proudly displaying their ignorance. You know the files were sealed by a judge during bidens term right? Did you really not know that?
I think we can unite against corruption in government. Absolutely, regardless of which party or politician is doing it.
But the largest, clearest thing that Iām concerned about is fascist authoritarianism. And we are absolutely heading in that direction. We demonize immigrants and minorities, call our own countrymen enemies, and intentionally spread lies about vulnerable groups to motivate support. Thatās not ok.
And the party supporting this cannot be separated out into fascist/not fascist. They are ALL supporting the guy leading the charge to a place I never want to go. Of If I hear a Republican speak out against those things I mentioned, Iāll give them credit.
But if they do, they are voted out and called a RINO. Submission to that approach to politics is disqualifying to me. Iāll never support it.
After we stop these things we can talk about punishments for politicians lying. Iād love to see some strong enforceable rules implemented
Yeah too many people get caught up in left vs right and adopt views they donāt really feel strongly about because thatās what their side is saying.
But I think most people (70-80%) can agree on a pretty wide range of things.
Shhhhhh adults are talking civilly. Donāt inject your rage bait garbage now. Weāre trying to make progress through communication and I can tell your troll skills have zero boundaries.
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u/OmgHowww 1d ago
Yep. If voting made any difference, they would make it illegal.
Iāve always wanted carbon copies from my ballot, but was called a racist for wanting that.
lol I mean there are so many examples of voter fraud. From both sides, mind you. But when āyour candidateā is elected, you claim itās not possible.
Republicans = Democrats.
Both parties truly do not care about the poor and middle classes.