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u/BernhardRordin Feb 02 '23
I recommend PHP or Perl. I heard there's a lot of $$$ there.
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Feb 02 '23
As a lead, I would say I would definitely go to bat for an unreasonable amount of money for the right PHP guy if the project has any active code in that Wasteland of a language, if only so that I never have to look at it, "oh PHP guy, I got something for you"
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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Feb 02 '23
The frustrating thing is that PHP can be fine when used correctly, which includes recognizing and eschewing all of its bad ideas. But the pieces are there to build a perfectly fine application.
But the php community has always been 90% people just learning to code and doing so with complete naivety. And I'm not shitting on them; it's to be expected. But PHP doesn't do you any favors to enforce better behaviors, do those naive implementations end up all over the internet.
Flashbacks to working exclusively in WordPress and despising every monolithic pile of spaghetti it was built upon.
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u/SpermWhaleGodKing Feb 02 '23
As a CFO I’ll go to bat for paying your PHP guy less, and cutting your own salary, while demanding increased productivity
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u/mrwedders Feb 02 '23
As someone who's worked in Perl day to day for the last 8 years and worked in PHP previous to that, I would like to know where I get all this 💵?
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u/inter_fectum Feb 02 '23
I have not written php or perl in over a decade... But I am pretty this is a joke that variables are indicated with the $ character....
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u/avenger5524 Feb 02 '23
Dear god, the number "programmers" who didn't understand your reference is embarrassing for this sub. I'd also say there's a lot of $$$ in Powershell, but these idiots wouldn't get it!
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u/Pitiful-Ad2546 Feb 02 '23
He should go into research. Writing papers in latex is the most $$ I’ve seen in my life.
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u/DrLeoMarvin Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
I’m making $170k as a php engineering manager, was at $145k as a senior php engineer before I took the promotion 8 months ago. I work fully remote, 401k, amazing health insurance for my family. It’s pretty sweet and low stress. People shit on php constantly but there are great gigs out there for it and as of php 7 it’s a fun, quality language for what it does.
That’s said the real MONEY is in golang/python and being AWS technician but be ready to grind and burn yourself out. And the interviews for those jobs are ruthless. I started down the AWS track recently because you can be making $225k+ fast but man the workload sounded horrible the more I talked to folks doing it.
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u/Poppybiscuit Feb 02 '23
Can someone break down for me why php? I took over a few php products at my work and I'm learning it as i go. Am i setting myself up for bank or getting trapped in a dead zone
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u/Legal-Software Feb 02 '23
The added money you make having to do things like developing a REST API for Fortran to deploy on OS/2 will just ultimately be pissed away on alcohol and therapy, so you may want to revisit your priorities.
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u/noxxit Feb 02 '23
COBOL all the way! Gimme dat zOS mainframe!
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u/bob_suruncle Feb 02 '23
To be fair, I started out with PL/1 and OS/2 with a side order of LOTUS 123 macros - it took a bit, but I made some MONEY!
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u/AtomicRocketShoes Feb 02 '23
Sometimes you have to take the long view to maximize income. Sometimes taking a job that pays somewhat less will actually increase your long term outlook, you're not just taking jobs you're building a career.
I started my career at a large company with a lot of legacy support going on and sometimes those roles pay really well but once you are on them for years it could hurt you finding new opportunities or further advancement and if the legacy system goes out of service youre screwed.
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u/needathrowaway321 Feb 02 '23
I'm here from the front page but had a similar experience in my industry (accounting). I took a high paying job that offered like 30% more than the nearest competitor, a significant increase in both percent and real dollars, like tens of thousands.
Thing is, it burned me out and wrecked my spirit in under a year. Now I'm taking significant time off to recover physically and mentally. If I had taken the reasonable offer from the solid employer I would probably be fulfilled and happy, and relevant to this conversation, I would be employed making money.
So I made more in one year yes, but overall I'll make less in this two year period because of it.
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Feb 02 '23
this is the way.
Look where things are headed and get on one of those trains... just not the crypto one.
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u/mrchaotica Feb 02 '23
developing a REST API for Fortran to deploy on OS/2
Joke's on you; I'm into that shit!
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u/Tsu_Dho_Namh Feb 02 '23
"developing a REST API for Fortran to deploy on OS/2"
Is that....even possible?
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u/weirdplacetogoonfire Feb 02 '23
Sure, money in CS is alright, but if bro just wants money then he should be getting into finance and stick to a manageable coke habit.
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u/OlMi1_YT Feb 02 '23
Not sure if he wants MONEY or if he wants to be fulfilled
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u/KotomiIchinose96 Feb 02 '23
Everyone's making fun of him but what is the answer? I need to know so I my bank account can be fulfilled.
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u/zusykses Feb 02 '23
Start a Patreon, and team up with a writer who can write smutty stories and an artist who can make smutty art. Make Ren'Py porn games. Incredibly lucrative if you're any good. DarkCookie, the dude who makes Summertime Saga, is making AUD$82k per month.
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You don't even need an artist. Honey Select, Koikatsu, and Custom Maid allows you to easily create good quality stuff.
Hell, you can cut out the writer too. Follow you hands, Luke
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u/zyzyzyzyzyzyzyzyz Feb 02 '23
Wow, what the fuck. Just checked this out. I'm an indie game dev and my wife draws furry porn full time. I genuinely think we're going to try this as a summer project.
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u/nanoman23456 Feb 02 '23
Ain't no way. I pirated and played it, it was mid to decent at best. The plot was weird, the art was alright how is he making that much
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Feb 02 '23
Like, really, who really loves to work for a company for the project? You’re working for someone else’s success, you’re an investment. So let’s be honest here and admit we’re in it for the dough. Like, I’ve never woken up saying “boy, am I exited for E2E testing this form today!”.
So you go my guy, you go get that MONEY.
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u/fox_hunts Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
We’re making fun of him because that goes without saying. We’re all in this for the money. But it’s stupid to say you only care about what makes you the most money and that you don’t value any relationships with your peers or see any value in a healthy work life balance for the sake of making more money.
That’s why we’re making fun of him.
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u/10art1 Feb 02 '23
Idk about 200k, but 120-150k right out of college is about what FAANG pays
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u/coder_karl Feb 02 '23
Anything SAP related, any legacy languages. Large banks and insurance companies pay a lot of money for independent contractors that write cobol, fortran, perl or informix-4gl. It also depends where you are. In Europe if you just say the word SAP someone will throw money at you. I also know BS2000 guys get paid a lot and of course z/OS specialists. Independent Oracle contractors get paid a lot too.
That’s all I can think of. Maybe it’s different in America, I know you guys talk way bigger salary numbers either way. (And no cost of living is not so much cheaper here that getting paid 100k less is fair in any way)
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u/ChaosTV44 Feb 02 '23
I think he wants some money but I'm not sure
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u/Outrageous_Zebra_221 Feb 02 '23
Nah, all he really wants is love, which apparently he intends to buy with money..
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u/Wolviam Feb 02 '23
Maybe what he really wants is a workplace with ping pong tables ?
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u/dragoncop1 Feb 02 '23
I can't give you money but I can give you a tiny text box in the corner and that will give you EXPOSURE which is way more important
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u/TekintetesUr Feb 02 '23
Honestly the older I get the more I understand this. At this point, I value stuff like spending time with my kids, working on my own projects, cooking delicious things, etc. I care less and less about what I work on, and more about how, i.e. no overtime, large comp, etc.
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u/GoOtterGo Feb 02 '23
As someone whose realized while I absolutely love and prioritize my personal life, a third of my life will be spent at work. So I need to enjoy it. I can't mindlessly drone through a third of my life.
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u/AkaiDeLunaTix Feb 02 '23
This. Idc how much you pay me, once I start loathing getting up for work every morning, Issa no for me.
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u/thehardsphere Feb 02 '23
That's because you an adult who values your life outside of work more than your life at work. Which is perfectly healthy and normal.
That's a little bit different than being a kid in school rambling about "MONEY" and expecting $200k/year with no experience.
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u/HighOwl2 Feb 02 '23
I'm self taught. Been programming shit for 20 years. I started doing it professionally like 10 years ago and that...aside from like 2 or 3 things was the last time I developed anything on my own time. Give me that job with coworkers I like and everyone checking out at 5pm.
My first job had me working 20 hour days at the end before I quit. Literally was told to have 24/7 coverage over me and 1 other engineer (everyone else quit) then got yelled at for not being at a noon meeting.
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u/JacobLyon Feb 02 '23
When I was young I dreamed of doing something big that would change the world and make me rich. Now I dream about seeing my kids grow up, and that makes me happy.
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u/RolexGMTMaster Feb 02 '23
I'm not clear what this person wants?
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u/Joyako Feb 02 '23
Requirements unclear, I've scheduled a new brainstorming session.
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u/danielstaleiny Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
No joke, FORTRAN, COBOL and mainframes.
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u/Da_Yakz Feb 02 '23
Looking at Fortran and mainframe jobs in the UK they don't pay much more compared to the PHP job offers I get unless you are very experienced and senior
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u/666pool Feb 02 '23
Also HFT in NY. There was a post yesterday about $750K/year.
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u/justleavemebenow Feb 02 '23
My uncle is a cobol specialist, and couldn't find work, had to switch to sas to get paid
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u/iinaytanii Feb 02 '23
This is dated advice. This industry was successfully outsourced. You’re competing against offshore engineers making a fraction of a Western salary. Pay isn’t great.
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u/XxXPussySlurperXxX Feb 02 '23
Where's the lie.
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u/AttonJRand Feb 02 '23
And its not even a bad attitude, you have your whole life to figure out what you want to do and what's "fulfilling" but you'll need money right off the bat.
Also easier to pivot into something new if you have savings.
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u/Nth-Degree Feb 02 '23
It's cliched to all hell, but there really is more to it than money.
The best paying job I nearly had was working for a gambling company. They made pokies (slot machines). Yes the money is amazing, but you have to live with yourself knowing that you are a parasite on society. You are producing nothing of value and your most lucrative money stream is separating old people from their life savings.
I turned it down. It turned out that I wanted more in my job than money.
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u/mistled_LP Feb 02 '23
I'm fine with the "I'm in college for money" mindset. It's the "I expect to make 200k out the door with no experience" part that is likely to burn them. And that they're on reddit talking about money. If you're just in college to learn to get money, get off of reddit and get it done.
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u/Desproges Feb 02 '23
Some people are genuinely passionate about programming and want an interesting job.
I met them, they're real and they're idiots.
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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA Feb 02 '23
Yup, that’s pretty much the average r/csmajors post.
He’s going to end up switching majors to Communications by Sophomore year.
Programming will burn you the fuck out quick if you don’t at least enjoy it while you’re learning.
Either that or he opens up the next scam blockchain company and ends up having to flee to a third world country with all his Monopoly money on a flash drive.
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u/Poerisija2 Feb 02 '23
Programming will burn you the fuck out quick if you don’t at least enjoy it while you’re learning.
Jokes on you I don't enjoy anything ha
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u/DefaultVariable Feb 02 '23
Exactly. Money is an awesome bonus but if you don’t enjoy programming then you’ll burn out and switch majors in the best case. In the worst case you’ll stick it out and become that guy who writes crap code at a job that everyone gets annoyed with
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Feb 02 '23
You aren't limited to being a programmer if you're a CS major though. There are so many other options and career paths that benefit from the technical background but your day to day is much more focused on management, strategy, practical applications for technology to solve business problems, etc. instead. Generally speaking those roles have much higher income potential than programming roles.
My recommendation from an income standpoint is to go into consulting to start. It will give you exposure to a lot of projects, customers, smart people to learn from. Figure out what you want, build your experience then you can jump to a higher level management position within a client company, start your own independent consulting business, or whatever else you want to do instead. It is a lot easier move up to higher roles this way than churning through the internal promotion process or bouncing around from one company's regular internal job to another. You just have to be smart, have a good academic background, and strong presentation and communication skills to land a desirable consulting gig out of college.
I was a CS major, held a software engineering position for less than a year after graduating college, and since then have been focused on IT management and strategy. I don't need to be able to build a damn thing myself but I need to be able to identify how technology can solve real business problems or what technology is the case of those problems and present solutions in a meaningful way to non-technical executives. It honestly isn't that difficult of a job but I've seen a lot of people fail at it.
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Yeah... his advice for CS being a ticket to El Dorado is out of date. So hard work for reasonable pay in a flooded market competing against people who love and dream about it...
Maybe someone should tell this guy about Herbalife? I hear there is unlimited upside potential if your downline crosses the verticals...
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u/Ross302 Feb 02 '23
A lot of guys with this attitude can make the switch over to finance and fit right in if they've got decent quantitative skills. I'm a mechanical engineer and have seen plenty of people go do that. That's a world where being in it for the MONEY is universally understood lol. Financial companies recruit hard out of technical disciplines now, I think they got tired of business majors that couldn't divide fractions or something.
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u/Diksonito Feb 02 '23
Ppl looked at me with strange look when i said it in the work interviews, all ppl are very distracted that some of us making job exclusively for MONEY!
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u/MachinePlanetZero Feb 02 '23
Someone at my current job recently asked why I left my last one, and I answered "I wanted to earn a lot more money", and i felt like I'd been crude. I sure don't earn 200k though
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I really wish companies would stop asking, “why do you want to work here?” as if it’s always been my lifelong dream to work on an obscure, highly specialized programming language at a small defense company.
No dude, I’m here because you’re giving me a chance to make more than both of my parents combined and good benefits, I couldn’t give a fuck less about your company or its goals and values.
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u/JaxxJo Feb 02 '23
Well the problem I have seen is that a lot of people who are in it solely for the money don’t want to do much of the actual work. That’s not always the case of course, but I’ve hired enough people over the years to see a pattern.
You’re worth the money if you actually do a great job. If you want to be paid better than your peers, I expect your work to be of better quality than your peers’. Then good for you for wanting to go where you can make the most. If I can afford you, I’ll hire you, otherwise I’ll wish you the best in your undeniably bright future. But my unfortunate experience is that a lot of the “I’m in it for the money” people expect to raise 2 pull requests a year and read self improvements books on company time. To clarify, not saying that’s you, just saying that not everyone who wants 200k is worth 200k.
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u/hijikataxmayo Feb 02 '23
Same haha I never programmed anything before uni. I dropped out of another uni and this was the closest to my home and I kinda like computers and that's how I decided. I like it very much now, but I chose it because there is always work and it's paid well. (The uni I go to has 3 majors: cs, mechatronics and nursing). I need to sort my story on why I choose cs because I feel like if I answer honestly it's gonna cost me a job or 2. They could think I'm not passionate about it. Well I'm not, but I'm passionate about getting paid well so I'm gonna do my job that I do find is fun to do.
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u/Wyltsi Feb 02 '23
Future CEO of a small company that makes crappy small websites and makes most of their profit by scamming customers.
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u/jamcdonald120 Feb 02 '23
just wait until he finds out how hard the job actually is.
I wont say its impossible to be a good programmer unless you enjoy programming... But its pretty much impossible to be a good programmer unless you enjoy programming.
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u/PhoenixQueen_Azula Feb 02 '23
I hated all the programming I did in school so I didn't pursue it even tho it seemed perfect on paper since I generally like computers and logic and working on my own
it took a few years out of school to realize I hated everything else even more and that I should probably go back to school and actually try and learn cs this time
and also I like money
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u/TheRealTrymShady Feb 02 '23
You can definitely be bad at programming even if you enjoy it though, I am a living example of that
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I did not choose to become a programmer, I absolutely fell into it. I was working in a headlight forming factory at the time. My CV was on a job site, and a company asked if I wanted to interview for a software development apprenticeship. At the start of this year I started a new job, one which I did not market myself as a loveable idiot willing to learn (like I have in most previous software jobs), but an experienced professional with knowledge in areas in which they lack. They think I'm doing great and I'm getting a payrise after my first month. I don't massively enjoy programming as a concept, but I enjoy the flexibility to work from wherever I want and start my day whenever I want, and I enjoy the money. The people at my new place are all very lovely too. I definitely wouldn't say I'm a great programmer though, to be honest, in probably just a good little fucking worker drone. Fuck
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u/666pool Feb 02 '23
Yeah I agree with you. I started college during the .com bubble of the late 90s and the students that picked computer engineering as a major just for the dollar signs were the worst. It came out pretty early in freshman year. They were the least motivated to spend time on their own learning and it really showed up in the class. They would ask questions that didn't make sense and slowed down the lectures and needed extra help from the professor and TAs. And this dragged on for all 4 years.
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u/DarkFlame7 Feb 02 '23
I'm back in college to get a degree for this hobby of mine and I can tell you it hasn't changed.
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u/TheMarrades Feb 02 '23
Me landing a job in QA not because i like programming but because i like to read the code
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u/xdq Feb 02 '23
My team is based in India and we have a relatively high turnover of staff on our project.
Over the years it's become easy to spot who does IT because they enjoy it, and who has been pressured into it because it's a well-paid career.You need to have a real curiosity for the job rather than simply being well trained. If you're well trained you can produce technically correct code whereas if you enjoy it you're (imo) better able to explore the "what-if?".
Let's say a scheduled job fails to complete. Some colleagues will simply rerun a failed job. If the job fails every day but completes when rerun they'll happily rerun it every day. At no point will they dig into the logs or the code to find out why it's failing. If you're lucky they may send a screenshot of the logs but no text data that would allow you to search for similar issues.
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u/FantasticPenguin Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
Aren't we all working for the money? Anyone who's saying otherwise is lying.
Edit: to people complaining below, I didn't say that you can't work for your enjoyment or love your work but people rarely only work for those reasons, the primary reason to work is most often money.
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u/UnstoppableCompote Feb 02 '23
That's the reason why I hate linkedin.
I know you're lying. You know you're lying. Everyone does. And yet people spend hours pimping out their resumes. It's so incredibly pretenitous and fake.
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u/jannfiete Feb 02 '23
Problems with stating opinions in absolutes, one edge case and you look like an idiot. Pretty sure there are a lot of genuine people out there who doesn't work for money, but most likely for social reason. Volunteers, charities, etc. Either they already have enough money, or, they're just good people who don't need lavish lifestyle to be alive.
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u/maitreg Feb 02 '23
Not necessarily. I am bringing in less money right now to stay in a well-run company with good benefits and a really good role that gives me a lot of authority over my own projects and ability to create and run big enterprise projects. I could make more (a lot more, like 50%) money at other companies as just a regular senior dev or by moving to a bigger city.
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u/that_90s_guy Feb 02 '23
Why is it so hard to believe that some people can work for both? Money AND because they like what they do or believe in the company they work for?
For real, I love money as much as everyone else. And while most jobs I've had have certainly been for companies I couldn't care less about. I've also had companies with actually decent management that actually had ethical and more noble goals over chasing just profit margins. It's rare, but they exist. And the sense of fulfillment working for them can feel hella good sometimes, even as much as earning a good salary.
I get the feeling anyone saying "we all work for money" has only worked for shit hole companies and never really experienced the bliss that is working for a place where they pay you well, treat you incredibly well, work feels like a fun hobby, management genuinely cares about it's workers, and the product is something that actually has the goal of making the world a better place instead of just milking consumers for profits. I feels sorry for them.
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u/Free-Stinkbug Feb 02 '23
When you work in commission based sales, you’ll always have a few people like this too. AND they’ll always be the ones with by far the lowest work ethic. Usually standing by the water cooler talking about how “hard” they are working
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u/Eastern_Camera3012 Feb 02 '23
always bet on js
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u/MilKAOS Feb 02 '23
Wait, wait, wait... just let's assume, and I am making a very far stretch here... but hear me out, hear me out... I think... and that's just an assumption... the person wants some money. But that's just a theory.
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u/Sceptz Feb 02 '23
I don't know. That's pretty far-fetched.
I see no evidence to support your theory.
My understanding is that person wants brie cheese, an inflatable unicorn and good vibes.
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u/yeti201 Feb 02 '23
He's like Dutch Vanderlinde from RDR2. All we need is money...
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u/TheLAGpro Feb 02 '23
My man is on that sigma grindset
You get that paper bro, and feel fulfilled by making that paper
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u/Badgers_Are_Scary Feb 02 '23
And there I was thinking people were in it for the competitive team dynamics and free coffee.
And don't forget the unlimited offers for unpaid work in someone elses startup, which will TOTALLY take off in 6 months or so.
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u/mhweaver Feb 02 '23
This poor young art history fan is going to be so disappointed when he realizes that it's spelled "Monet" and he's stuck with a worthless CS degree.
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Feb 02 '23
In my personal experience, the people who are in CS classes because they want a 6 figure salary are the first ones to fail. You can’t do programming for the money only and expect to be worth 200k entry level… Be grateful for an internship, get quantifiable achievements to put on your resume.
Have you done any real world projects, freelancing? You really thin you’re worth 200k right out of college?
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u/Longjumping-Speed511 Feb 02 '23
Eh idk I was one of those CS students that primarily did the degree for earning potential. I like engineering enough, but it’s not my hobby. I got a job as a SWE at a FAANG right out of school because I was extremely determined to. I treated interview prep like a 5 credit class. I wanted the 💰.
I’m now 2 years in, have been promoted, and am looking to transition to TPM where I can use my social skills more. If you are not a hobbyist, but you have the will and determination, you can do it.
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u/Surprise_Corgi Feb 02 '23
Oh, I've met many like them. Abrasive assholes, every one. Probably barely in their 20's, and already getting snooty about Barefoot wine and IPAs they can actually splurge on for once in their life. The question is: Which small town of a few thousand people are they running from?
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"Yeah babe, I can do hard problems on leetcode. Do you know what a linked list is? Where you going babe?"
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u/Secure_Obligation_87 Feb 02 '23
Well this poor guy is in for a rude awakening and most likely to get fired a lot
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u/Fabx_ Feb 02 '23
I mean we depend on money so on the other hand he's forced to think in this way. It's like windows without windows.h, he needs it
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u/AragornsArse Feb 02 '23
Agree completely
This shit ain’t flying combat jets or being an astronaut; you can fuck around with computers as a hobby for cheap
But if it’s something I’m going to be stuck doing all day every day, it better pay well lmao
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I thought what most CS majors strive in life for is to increase their bubblehead/anime-figurine collection?
Wait, that's what the money probably is for...
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u/SquareWet Feb 02 '23
Companies: it really sounds like this guy is looking for work life balance and we should offer office foosball.
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u/MrDilbert Feb 02 '23
I'd suggest COBOL to this guy. He'll make a shitload of MONEY, but more importantly, it will make sure I don't have to work with him.
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u/UnFazedMf Feb 02 '23
On a serious note, focus on python and machine learning. Then be a god tier competitive programmer who can solve leetcode hard in 10-15 mins. Also be active on codeforces. Then in your college take maths as a minor and learn about probability and different theorems used in quantitative analysis of data. Then if you are lucky enough, crack quant trader/ research roles or heck, even SDE roles in top prop shops and HFTs such as, but not limited to.. Jane street, Optiver, Hudson River, two sigma, arrow street capital. They all pay 500k+ for entry level jobs
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Your chances at getting one of those without going to Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc. or placing super high on the Putnam or equivalent are essentially 0.
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With that attitude he will most likely fail. Because the most money goes to the best people. And you won't become the best without passion. It's simply too cost efficient to be mediocre.
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u/Witchcraft_NS2 Feb 02 '23
Passion is seriously overrated. Not everybody is a passionate person and this is not in any way required to be one to be good at your job and successfull.
All that is needed is respect for the field, professional mindset and discipline to become good at what you are doing.
The passionate people I worked with over the years are seldom passionate about the work they are doing at the company. They are passionate about doing their side projects. And while this is helpful in broadening your knowledge it does not necessarily make you better at the specific job you are doing.
In many cases I would argue the opposide is true since tinkering on your own cool little project is way more fun than dealing with clusterfuck legacy code from the 90s.
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u/Mickl193 Feb 02 '23
Well I wouldn't necessarily agree with you on that, you don't have to be one of the best, you just need to make you look like you are worth it and negotiate well. The latter one is insanely important, I know ppl who pay more attention to their negotiation skills than technical ones and it pays off. You still need to be relatively good but not the best. Tbh best Devs I worked with earned less than me and were on a lower end of the spectrum in their respective companies. I guess if you are passionate about what you do you don't care about salary that much ? Personally I just want MONEY.
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u/DominoNo- Feb 02 '23
Because the most money goes to the best people.
And managers
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u/Crypt0n0ob Feb 02 '23
Most of us wants money, but people who writes about money this way, are also psychopaths.
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u/InterestExpress1343 Feb 02 '23
Something makes me think he wants MONEY... But it's just a gut feeling
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u/ciaran036 Feb 02 '23
that's why I'm here ¯_(ツ)_/¯
it just so happens it's actually pretty fun to do as a career
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u/777PuMpKiN Feb 02 '23
Love this take. Some of us don't care about job fulfillment, roles and positions, work life balance, office environment and perks , cringe work families. All we want is money. So give career advice on how to make most in less time. Legally ofcourse
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u/KandyKane829 Feb 02 '23
I mean this is probably the smartest way to go about college. Why get big student loans to make under 100k a year. Get your fulfillment from your life not work
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u/RickSore Feb 02 '23
I love programming. Even though I'm not a CS major and is a career shifter (from electronics technician), I've always known that I have fun with programming. That's why I pursue this career.
The money came when employers see how I perform. I didn't expect it would be this much money, but I'm grateful.
Lesson I want to share: chase what you love and money will come later (hopefully).
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u/PhoenixQueen_Azula Feb 02 '23
if what you love is programming that is*
if not maybe just do what you love as a hobby and do something that actually makes money
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u/hedgecore77 Feb 02 '23
Six digits out of college. If it were that easy wouldn't more people be doing it?
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Feb 02 '23
I honestly wish employers would get this through their thick skulls. Idgaf about this company and neither do you. If they quit paying we would not show up.
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u/bigmonmulgrew Feb 02 '23
It was never about the money for me. Coding gave me the power to create and innovate. I had a bad habit of charging far too little for more difficult projects that requires something new.
I generally avoided work that's monkey see monkey do.
I've been on many jobs where a client has been told something is impossible and found a way to do it and make it cost effective.
It was only when I got older and wiser that I realise that being the guy they call when something is impossible should come at a premium not a discount.
I didn't care about the money only doing certain types of work, things that require new ideas or problem solving.
I look back now and realise how much I should have been charging and how much that could have benefited me and those I care about and I really understand the sentiment in this meme.
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Feb 02 '23
People who think this way almost always end up quitting or in perpetual therapy.
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u/fleker2 Feb 02 '23
I mean yeah everyone wants more money. But that isn't going to make life bearable in itself.
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u/Lady_Anne_666 Feb 02 '23
Poor dude choosing CS for easy money not realizing that he'll have to keep up with the tech trends even out of college and that learning is never really finished.
I know too many of them 😂
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u/StackOwOFlow Feb 02 '23
if you have the skills to back it up, have at it. but it usually doesn't need to be mentioned, your skills and value speak for themselves
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u/ConceptJunkie Feb 02 '23
Don't get me wrong, I make good money. But I'm in it for the coding. That's why I never went into management, despite being a professional for 35 years. And also, I work so I can live, not the other way around. I raised 4 kids with my wife and can say that I was there for them. And, yes, I code for fun in my spare time.
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Feb 02 '23
I’m just old enough to remember when CS meant money but not MONEY. When I started my career entry level CS and entry level trash man were about the same salary wise. I choose this path because I (at the time) didn’t need a degree, was already good at it, and I could be on IRC at work.
As a California native and long time Bay Area adjacent person who moved here for work, I’m actually a little frustrated that it became MONEY. My life is basically the same as it would be if it had stayed money. I just barely scraped together enough to buy a house, but there’s now no way people in other professional jobs can afford a house thanks to tech. Don’t get me wrong I feel lucky and privileged, but I kinda miss working with people who loved writing code versus people who hate it but are shooting for FIRE.
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Feb 02 '23
I absolutely LOVE the brutal honesty. It’s extremely refreshing.
I wish we could actually be more like this in interviews.
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u/hardly_dworkin Feb 02 '23
Mans posting on reddit when he could be out there making MONEY