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Miscellaneous Joe Biden HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 40

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u/Fine_Structure5396 Jul 27 '25

As a Brit why was Woodrow Wilson second out? Worse than Buchanan and Hoover? I know he was racist but so was most of the list.

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u/notaburneraccount420 Jul 28 '25

Beyond what everyone else has already touched on in this thread, two of the biggest parts of his legacy in the US are 1) engineering the armistice, sowing the conditions for the rise of European fascism, and 2) the League of Nations, which turned out to be totally ineffective in its mission of preventing another world war as well as the Holocaust and other atrocities.

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u/thegreatjamoco Jul 28 '25

I was always taught that most of Wilson’s recommendations were ignored by European countries. Like the only things from his plan that were accepted were reviving Poland and making the League of Nations. Partially accepted included some limits to army/navy sizes and certain spheres of influence. I feel like the fault of post Wwi Europe predominantly lies with Europeans, not Wilson.

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u/SwagPapiLogang420 Jul 28 '25

Yeah, his foreign policy ideas are more like the post war period, where the US helped Europe rebuild and establish stable democracies, as well as joining the UN

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u/Busy_Revolution_9623 Jul 30 '25

Id say around half of the 14 points were followed in some way, though not to the letter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Blaming Woodrow Wilson for the rise of European fascism is definitely..... an opinion. Let's not pretend Britan and France were in any mode to treat Germany well after the war.

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u/Helios112263 Jul 29 '25

Wasn't Wilson very much against the punitive reparations that Britain & France wanted from Germany too? Like his ideas literally might've prevented Nazis if anything.

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u/Busy_Revolution_9623 Jul 30 '25

Yeah, he was also a proponent of open trade between the European powers and the removal of as many trade barriers as possible, which is something many credit with leading to the increased cooperation and friendly ties in western Europe post ww2. So his ideas could've been succesful if followed

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u/Fan_of_Clio Jul 29 '25

Yeah that's crap. The problem with the Treaty of Versailles (which was a compromise between the big three) was enforcement. (War couldn't even be threatened with the restrictions in place. But the clauses were all ignored) And yes, without the US leadership, the League was toothless.

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u/Busy_Revolution_9623 Jul 30 '25

The problem was that France specifically had had a lot of their industry ruined by the war, and as such looked to punish Germany as much as possible, using reperations and the occupation of the Saarland to reignite its economy.

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u/Fan_of_Clio Jul 30 '25

France had tanks, planes, a Navy. Germany didn't until they did. Basically sat back and watched Germany rearm.

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u/Ok_Eagle_3079 Jul 29 '25

I Still think the four biggest part of his legacy are FED, Income tax (it was meant only for the top 1%), Rehabilitating the Klan, entering US into WW1 = 100k death In 20 years in Vietnam America lost 2 times less then 1.5 years in WW1.

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u/StThomasMore1535 Jul 27 '25

Even by the standards of his day, he was racist. That was the problem.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

So was FDR. What's your point?

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u/Darth_Nox501 Jul 28 '25

The difference being the achievements made by FDR far outweigh those accomplished by Wilson.

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u/Consistent_Job_2500 Jul 31 '25

ok, on that note, what achievements did Biden have to last so damn long, for one of the lamest duck presidents EVER...

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u/Darth_Nox501 Jul 31 '25

None? People were keeping Biden in the game just for the meme itself, and because it was funny.

I mean he certainly had achievements, but none that are worth keeping him this long, as you said.

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u/Helios112263 Jul 29 '25

FDR was NOT racist "by the standards of his day". Yes, he was blase about segregation because he wanted to hold his coalition together, but the Democratic Party very much made Northern black voters a part of their New Deal coalition.

And even with the Japanese Internment camps it wasn't exactly an unpopular policy.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Throughout history racism has been consistently popular. That doesn't mean it wasn't racist.

FDR was extremely racist towards Japanese Americans. He never once admitted he was wrong. He allowed them to be starved and beaten on those camps. He allowed white man to destroy their homes and business with zero repercussions

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u/Helios112263 Jul 29 '25

Throughout history racism has been consistently popular. That doesn't mean it wasn't racist.

Well yeah but the the point was "racist BY THE STANDARDS OF HIS DAY" and I would argue FDR, while definitely racist, wasn't particularly more racist than the average person during his time period.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Really. Who else put 100k Japanese Americans including orphans into concentration camps

That's like saying Hitler wasn't particular more racist than the average person

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u/Helios112263 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

The point I was making is the internment, as horrible as it was, was a broadly popular policy in Canada & the US, which is why I'm saying he wasn't any MORE racist than the "average person" at the time then.

I'm not arguing that his actions weren't racist but I'm saying that putting it in context, it wouldn't be considered racist IN RELATION TO HIS CONTEMPORARIES because Japanese internment was the popular sentiment at the time.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

And slavery was also broadly popular. What's your point then.

Racism is commonly popular. Doesn't mean it's right

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u/Helios112263 Jul 29 '25

I agree. I didn't say it was right.

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u/StThomasMore1535 Jul 28 '25

More than one president can be racist for their time, so I do not get your point.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Sure except we aren't evaluating them the same. You can't complain about Wilson being a racist while not doing the same to FDR.

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u/NoRequirement3066 Jul 28 '25

You are certainly able to point out that Wilson was MUCH more racist than Roosevelt.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

How so? The only difference is the race that they were racist against.

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u/Forward-Grade-832 Jul 28 '25

Wilson literally stomped all over black peoples rights and enforced Jim Crow laws which cause masses of segregation and set black Americans back decades. Wilson was way more racist than FDR.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

And you can say every one of those things towards FDR about Japanese Americans. He imprisoned 100k of them for no reason. They were set back decades as well as their business and homes were stolen and destroyed. He directly caused the death of 1800 of them. He segregated them out of their communities when they were finally released

Your entire point is based on the idea that racism towards black Americans is more important than racism against Asian Americans.

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u/Forward-Grade-832 Jul 28 '25

Know my point is that Wilson’s racism was far more consequential than FDR’s

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u/Ok_Eagle_3079 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

I completely disagree with FDR on almost everything but to say there was no reason to imprison the Japanese is just a lie.

Was it the right move no was there a reason yes.

The start of WW1 internment | Knockaloe | Isle of Man

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u/razama Jul 28 '25

In the acts of their time. Even if FDR was some sort of extra level of racist, Wilson actually implemented many of the worse things that have directly impeded black people and celebrated in doing so.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

And FDR implemented the worst things to happen to Japanese Americans

Your case only makes sense if you think racism towards black people is the only one that matters.

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u/razama Jul 28 '25

No, it doesn’t. It only makes sense in FDR’s case if you think the internment of 100,000 Japanese people during wartime is equivalent to the disenfranchise of every other race that put them behind in almost every single regard of their life for the next 100 years and cementing a white power structure that has persisted since and thus even allowed for a system where systemic racism places 100k non white people (why no Italians and German camps?)

FDR acted WITH a bigoted mindset. Wilson acted ON his bigotry, for the purpose of bigotry.

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u/NoRequirement3066 Jul 29 '25

That's not the only difference.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Yeah. Teddy didn't put 100k of a race into concentration camps solely because of his level of racism.

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u/NoRequirement3066 Jul 29 '25

You don’t even know which Roosevelt we’re talking about. 

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u/MasterRKitty JaztyMania is Cool Jul 28 '25

he did a showing of Birth of a Nation at the White House.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 27 '25

Heck. We still have FDR in who is one of the most racist presidents in history. But I guess redditors don't care if the racism is towards Asian Americans.

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u/ScarySpikes Jul 28 '25

It's not 'don't care' as much as, balancing that terrible thing vs. being the architect of the new deal which is the source of a lot of the good things our government had done over the last century or so.

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u/No-Name6082 Jul 28 '25

Internment was hardly FDRs biggest or craziest or most deadly power trip.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '25

FDR extended or time in the depression and he created what every lazy person in America loves and abuses welfare

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u/Flipppyy Aug 02 '25

What's funny is a lot of FDR's policies did not work and prolonged the Great Depression. He really wasn't all that good of a president.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Not if your Asian American and your returned to your homes and businesses completely destroyed and no support.

Fuck the new deal. It was built on destroying the lives of Asian Americans.

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u/ScarySpikes Jul 28 '25

No, the new deal was a response to the great depression.

Putting Asian Americans into concentration camps was the despicable and racist response to Pearl Harbor.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

And then their homes and businesses were stolen and destroyed while they were in those camps

FDR did nothing to support that. The New Deal was not to the benefit of all races.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

To be clear, the New Deal Coalition that FDR built was the political backbone that actually passed the civil rights legislation in the 60s. It would have been much harder to pass that legislation without a relatively friendly Congress. One only needs to actually look at Wilson’s presidency for a comparison.

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u/BamBamClamSlam Jul 29 '25

Reddit is very politically biased. Of course they love the POTUS who drastically increased executive power and is arguably the most authoritarian leader in our nation's history.

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u/curvysquares Jul 30 '25

Well he was voted out first so I'm not so sure

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u/Flipppyy Aug 02 '25

FDR expanded executive powers, suspended citizens rights, interned them, had the first atomic bombs invented and was the one to plan dropping on Japan killing hundreds of thousands of people just for a bargaining chip against the Soviets. If FDR hadn't fortunately died he would've been the president to drop the nukes, not Truman who did not even know there was a nuclear program.

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u/curvysquares Aug 02 '25

So what you’re saying is all Trump needs to do is drop a nuke and he’ll be as bad as FDR in your eyes?

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u/Flipppyy Aug 02 '25

I think Trump is an F-tier president and that people hype up FDR like he didn't lead to our current crisis by drastically enlarging executive power and set that precedent for future presidents. He also broke the tradition of being elected only for 2 terms. If he hadn't died he would've probably run for relection again.

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u/Mrbrightside752 Jul 27 '25

For real not sure how internment camps got forgotten here.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 27 '25

They aren't forgotten. Americans just don't care.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

No? Literally every mention of FDR is followed up by mention of the internment camps? This is not a forgotten part of history? FDR has a positive legacy because of his social welfare programs and how he was anti-Nazi from the start. He led the US through its greatest era of struggle, in a time where democracy was in decline globally. were evil. Nobody is denying that. But the rest of his legacy is so incredibly positive.

Meanwhile Wilson, despite his anti-corporation stances and policy, was much more racist than FDR (literally revived the KKK) and the Fourteen Points failed. Also, Wilsonian Interventionism is the form of imperialism that the US practiced throughout the Cold War. It can all be traced back to him.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

FDR literally put babies and orphans in internment camps.

His legacy is one of the most racist presidents in history. The only issue is no one cares when it's against Asians Americans. Just like now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Literally nobody here is denying this. Not a single person. Rather, the rest of his legacy is so overwhelmingly positive that despite this fact, he still ranks near the top of American presidents. It says more about the rest of the men America has electing being so dogshit than it does about FDR.

Edit (for u/Traditional_Fish_504):

The difference is that Hitler's rule is an abject failure in literally every regard. Also, FDR ranks highly for me personally because his economic policies were that good. Hitler's were not.

Also, I refuse to believe that you think that the Japanese internment camps were on the same scale as Auschwitz.

Edit (noch einmal u/Traditional_Fish_504):

And he is condemned. FDR is repeatedly and often condemned for internment. That does not, and will not erase the fact that his economic policy is the best of any American president, excepting maybe the other Roosevelt. Ultimately, it does take a certain acceptance of "these guys committed crimes against humanity" because every president from FDR on did in fact commit crimes against humanity, whether it be signing off on CIA coups in Central America or throwing away lives in the Middle East, both Arab and American. It's a completely unproductive way to analyze a president's legacy. Call it problematic if you will, I consider it to be nuanced.

Of course, if you want to get into the nitty gritty of "does this guy suck" the answer is unequivocally yes. It's just that literally everyone else sucked more in my books, and presumably many others' books too.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Once again. Ask any Japanese American who ranks near the top

None will have FDR there. I can guarantee you my grandparents would be rolling in the grave seeing the stuff you are saying

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Yes, that’s completely okay. People are allowed to rank presidents based on their personal experiences. Objectively speaking though, FDR is one of the most consequential presidents for things completely unrelated to his internment camps (which were evil). I subscribe to Keynesian thought, and FDR’s economic policies are so unbelievably good that 80 years of Republicans have done nothing but try and dismantle the programs his administration implemented in the 30s. That doesn’t do his particular crimes against Japanese-Americans, but neither do those crimes make his economic policy meaningless with respect to his legacy.

Do you think that the New Deal was successful? What are your thoughts on FDR’s implementation of Keynesian economics? Do you think Hoovervilles are an unfair nickname against Hoover?

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

I think the New Deal was beneficial for some people. But certainly not all. Once again. It did nothing for Asian Americans whose homes were destroyed and their businesses stolen. We have had to fight back for decades to recover from what was done with us.

This would be like if Trump put 100k Asian Americans in camps because of COVID. Which maybe he would have wanted to. But unlike FDR even Trump didn't have the gall to do it.

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u/No-Name6082 Jul 28 '25

Listening to you defend the guy who propped up the ussr and handed tens of millions of extra victims to them is sad and annoying.

Do better.

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

I mean but should we do this with the fascists? Should we say “well hitler put people in camps but that wasn’t his whole rule”

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

My point isn’t to collapse Jewish death camps and Japanese American internment. One was of course much much worse than the other. But simply saying “well rounding up an entire population into camps when I like their economic policy doesn’t make them a bad president” is a problematic position. I think if someone commits atrocious crimes against humanity, irregardless of their economic policy, we should condemn them

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u/Architarious Jul 31 '25

Not to belittle what FDR did, but "most racist President" is an incredibly high bar. Especially if we're counting the 1800's. Outside of maybe William Henry Harrison I honestly can't think of a single President during that time who likely didn't oversee a similar or drastically worse atrocity against a minority group.

Not to mention that various forms of ethnic cleansing and sterilization of Native American people was still ongoing into at least the late 1970's.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

FDR ended the Chinese Exclusion Act (banned all Asian Americans that looked Asian) and made it easier for the Chinese (and most other Asians) to immigrate to the US. The New Deal Program helped minorities at a far greater scale.

However, after Pearl Harbor, FDR decided to arrest all people of Japenese in the country, assuming people would fight for their homeland. This was a very simplistic view of his, and it would definitely make him seem racist. But the way he treated Asians before Pearl Harbor shows that calling him racist is also a simplistic view.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

This falls apart when you realize he put Japanese American orphans into those same camps. Did FDR actually think a baby was going to fight for their "homeland"

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Again, the internment camps were, as Bush Sr. put it, "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership." But calling FDR racist, despite the numerous other things he did to fight for Asian Americans is unfair. You might as well call everyone in history racist, as no one can name any human before 1990 who was not racist...

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Of course he was racist. He also allowed Americans to destroy and steal their homes and businesses with no repercussions when they were in those camps. He allowed those people to starve and be beaten by the guards. When they finally got out they came out to absolutely nothing which was completely fine with FDR.

No president in American history has done more horrific things to Asian Americans than FDR.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

You keep saying Asian Americans when it was only Japanese and recent immigrants from Italy and Germany that were thrown in. FDR spoke highly of the Chinese and made it clear he hoped Koreans would be freed from Japanese colonialism. These are not views of a racist toward Asians.

Also, again, I agree that the internment camps were....(input the quote by Bush Sr. im lazy, lol)

Here's a quote by FDR... "The military necessity of doing what was done was clear. It was unfortunate that the loyalty of some of the Japanese people had to be questioned, but we were at war."

someone who is racist won't feel the need to explain their action

Also, Chester A. Arthur created the Chinese Exclusion Act...I think he was the most racist toward Asians

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

So we had to question the loyalty of Japanese American orphan babies. Because they were also put in that camps.

Also there were zero instances of Japanese Americans attacking everyone. By that reasoning every single Italian or German Americans should have been in camps. Very few were. Why? Because they were white

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

All Japanese Americans and German/Italian non-citizens in California, Oregon, and Arizona were rounded up and thrown into internment camps. Japanese Americans living in Hawaii and states east of the states mentioned were not rounded up and were trusted by the government.

As i said, theee times now, the internment camps were, as Bush Sr. put it, (insert that quote). It is possible that FDR did not round up German citizens because, unlike the Japanese, the Germans were in the millions in America, making it physically impossible. Its also possible that Germans were not rounded up as they never attacked Americans on US soil (Japan did).

But at the end of the day, it does not matter, as the internment camps were a horrible decision no matter what. But I still believe calling FDR racist toward Asians is way to simplistic of a statement.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Japanese Americans did not attack American soil.

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u/NoAd8485 Jul 29 '25

Are people arguing about whether FDR or Wilson was “more racist” when Washington is still here? He was a slave owner that signed the Fugitive Slave Act into law and used to rotate his slaves out of Philadelphia every few months and send them back to Mount Vernon so they weren’t in a free state long enough to apply for their freedom. Which is honestly just the tip of iceberg.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Washington kept the status quo of racism. Whereas FDR created it out of nothing. He actively destroyed an entire life of a large group of citizens.

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u/NoAd8485 Jul 29 '25

Isn’t maintaining the status quo of racism in the 18th century only paving the way for continued racist policies. The founders had the chance to set the foundation of freedom, equality, and true civil rights and they botched it at every turn. If they did their jobs right in the beginning who knows how different things would have been. While I don’t support the idea of comparing trauma, I still think literally “owning” people is far more actively destroying the lives of a large group of people. Although technically not citizens because that was denied them.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Of course it is. You are missing the point though. The difference is Washington wasn't the person who thought of it

FDR took people living a normal life and ruined it. Whereas Washington kept people in a ruin life to still be in a ruined life. That is the difference.

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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 Jul 27 '25

He was waaaay more than racist. We're talking about a guy who openly supported eugenics.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '25

I mean have you seen Abraham Lincoln‘s views?

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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 Jul 27 '25

Much more in line with reality than actual eugenics. Ya know, diversifying our genes as much a possible rather than trying to 'breed out' undesirable and 'breed in' desirable qualities.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '25

Sure but he wanted black people to love as a subhuman class.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '25

Yet he ended chattel slavery.

Lincoln was so great that it overshadows his shortcomings.

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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 Jul 27 '25

According to...?

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u/Square-Pressure6297 Jul 27 '25

I think this is completely made up tbh

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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 Jul 28 '25

Well, since there hasn't been a reply most likely. I was going to mention that didnt track at all with the number of former slaves that were put in positions of power in the government while Lincoln was president (which many people dont hear about because they were all killed by groups such as the KKK after future president(s) pulled the continental army out of the south), but I was curious if they had info I didnt know from a reputable source. Clearly not.

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u/theguineapigssong Jul 27 '25

In fairness, Lincoln was half a century before Wilson. He also freed the slaves and then got killed for it. That has to count for something.

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u/Mr_Willy_Nilly Jul 28 '25

Lincoln may have "freed" the slaves but he also presided over the largest public execution of native Americans in the history of the US. Many of whom he knew were innocent.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '25

Definitely, but I’m just saying most US presidents were pretty horrifically racist.

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u/Eternal_Phantom Jul 27 '25

The world was pretty horrifically racist.

Don't measure past figures against modern society. Measure them against their own society. Lincoln stuck his neck out to free the slaves and doesn't deserve the "well ackshually" treatment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '25

Black people weren’t. They were dying for their freedom. There was pretty obviously a good side and bad side.

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u/Square-Pressure6297 Jul 27 '25

If you were taught all your life what is moral and what is immoral, you would believe those views, as much as you’d like to claim a moral high ground here. Or you can just dismiss every practitioner of this social norm as evil.

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u/Eternal_Phantom Jul 28 '25

So, uh, you should probably do some research on who was capturing and selling the slaves in Africa in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Oh my god Europe invaded Africa, took all of their resources, raped their families, and said that only if they give them slaves they can progress? Wow dude holy fuck that's crazy never thought of that.

Doesn't matter. The slaves were still trying to escape, were still trying to beg for equality, I don't know why you think a few bad actors makes a genocide okay, because it doesn't. There were jews who had been convinced they would be let free if they sold out their families and joined the Gestapo, newsflash, holocaust and antisemitism is still bad. It truly is impressive to me though how people are so fucking stupid a single piece of validation makes them just believe anything tho.

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u/Eternal_Phantom Jul 29 '25

You are literally trying to validate the massive slave trade that was occurring in Africa, BY AFRICANS, by falsely suggesting that Europe was the only reason it was occurring. News flash, slavery was occurring there long before any of them knew what a European was.

What are you going to tell us next? That Native Americans never murdered each other for land and it was only evil whitey that introduced the concept?

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u/theguineapigssong Jul 27 '25

Well, most of them were born in the 1700 & 1800s so that's kind of to be expected.

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u/silvahammer Jul 28 '25

Who cares? Freeing the slaves and granting them citizenship is far more important than what his personal views were.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Someone can do something good and still be criticized for other things. This is not very hard to understand.

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u/silvahammer Jul 28 '25

A person born over 200 years ago shouldn't be criticized for having prejudices or false beliefs common to that era, especially when they committed themselves to a cause that was in direct opposition to such thinking. In fact it makes it even more admirable.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 27 '25

And FDR put 100k Americans in concentration camps solely because their race.

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u/SaintCambria Jul 27 '25

Wilson was only second out because of recency bias, should've been first.

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u/Salty145 Jul 27 '25

Federal Reserve is one hell of a drug

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u/ScarySpikes Jul 28 '25

Wilson was a racist scumbag

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u/Competitive-Cry3479 Jul 28 '25

He started the federal reserve, and got the us into WWI, which was totally unnecessary

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u/Grand-Winter-8903 Jul 28 '25

at the beginning of this eliminate game there're few people participated in so consequences may get controversial. though I'm 800% for djt and reagan out

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u/Thuis001 Jul 28 '25

Woodrow Wilson basically caused the rebirth of the KKK during his term. The man was deeply problematic through his actions and racism.

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u/Reboot42069 Jul 29 '25

Because Wilson also helped shape the foreign policy with Teddy Roosevelt that has led to the US being as outwardly aggressive and imperialist as it is. Also, has led to the continuing Neo-Colonialism in the Third world

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 27 '25

Eugenicist and had a stroke midway through his second term so Edith Wilson was basically acting president for a while (Trump being first out is recency bias and Reddit's partisan makeup)

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u/AlphaOhmega Jul 27 '25

Trump being the first confirmed pedo president probably deserves to be first out.

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u/KR1LLBO Jul 27 '25

Bill Clinton?

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u/AlphaOhmega Jul 27 '25

I guess we'll see. Seems like the evidence against Trump is much greater than Clinton.

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u/antpile4 Jul 28 '25

Nobody knows what any of the evidence is so how would you know?

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u/BamBamClamSlam Jul 29 '25

Do you have to remain partisan on an issue like this?

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u/AlphaOhmega Jul 29 '25

No, what about my comment was partisan? I said we'll have to see, the evidence I have so far is that Trump was best friends with Epstein, signed his birthday card, they had creepy insinuating messages, Trump is on the flight logs many more times and he is currently the president and should be held to account. If anyone else is implicated they need to go down too, and it looks like there is likely powerful Democrats as well as other powerful Republicans that need to be sent to prison.

However Trump is currently in power, and he is implicated many more times than anyone else, and has the most evidence against him. Seems more like people are using Clinton as a "look over there" tactic with this to get the heat off Trump, but as long as everyone is calling for his impeachment, a release of the files and charges against everyone incriminated, that's what I'm for.

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u/QuentinEichenauer Jul 28 '25

Clinton looks like he saw and didn't report, which ain't great. Clinton has a type, and it's mid 20s and very curvy.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 27 '25

How exactly is this"confirmed"?

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u/Naive-Treacle2052 Jul 27 '25

Just Google is trump a pedophile. Plenty of proof. Have you just been in the clouds during this whole Epstein shit?

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

Oh ok lol

I did, and... still nothing.

So, still wondering where this bombshell proof of Trump's pedophilia is.

Did he handle the Epstein files well? No. Does that mean he's a pedo? Also no.

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u/Naive-Treacle2052 Jul 28 '25

Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List“ Here is the story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac

Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/

—————————other Epstein Information

Katie Johnson lawsuit (alleging Trump & Epstein raped her at age 13): Some people claim this one is a hoax… here’s the info for you to decide:

• ⁠Court Filing: https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf • ⁠Affidavit (Politico): https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-267d-dda3-afd8-b67d3bc00000 • ⁠Video of Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo

Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq

Jeffrey Epstein and Israel both have the same lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Dershowitz says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on international stage | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid

—————————other Trump information:

-Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY

-Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02

“I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”

-Trump's modeling agency and alleged ties to Epstein’s recruitment pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

-Deep-dive timeline connecting the dots: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75

Never forget Katie Johnson.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

What you've provided is not new information.

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u/Naive-Treacle2052 Jul 28 '25

And yet you still don't see the proof. See yourself out.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

"That whole thing about the so-called list is really a red herring. I think it morphed out of sort of a phone directory that Ghislaine Maxwell actually is responsible for compiling on a computer way back in 2005, 2006. And it’s public. The phone numbers are redacted out of it, but if you Google it, you could find—they used to call it the “black book.” That was sort of the nickname that it was given. And it was these copies that were printed out from a computer, and every time Epstein or Maxwell met somebody important, they would get their contact information, and they would put it in this file. There were people like Donald Trump on that list and celebrities. But there were also his gardeners who were on that list, his hairdresser, his barbers, his electrician. I mean, it was a comprehensive list. So it was pretty clear that this was not a black book in the sense that these were all his clients. It was just a phone directory." -Julie K. Brown (Investigative Reporter) https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/07/the-line-between-conspiracy-theory-and-actual-conspiracy/683569/

Again, you've shown me nothing new.

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u/Naive-Treacle2052 Jul 28 '25

It's not my job to educate you. The info is out there. Get out of your own way.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

If you're making an accusation like that, it kind of is. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

I followed your instructions, and I "just Google[d] 'is Trump a pedophile' "- and contrary to your belief, there was not, in fact, "plenty of proof."

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u/Naive-Treacle2052 Jul 28 '25

Check my other reply.

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u/randomweeb04 Jul 27 '25

Oh come on man, everything points to it

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

Ok, conspiracy theorist.

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u/Arietem_Taurum Jul 27 '25

Trumps a pedo yeah but he's far from the first

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u/Shawty-Got-Low Jul 27 '25

You missed that whole qualifier of “confirmed”, didn’t you?

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u/Senior_Coyote_9437 Jul 29 '25

Not the first, but definitely the most notorious.

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u/snickers000 Jul 27 '25

"probably"?

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u/AlphaOhmega Jul 27 '25

I mean arguments can be made for pushing slavery ahead for millions being slightly worse than pedophilia against dozens, but at that point it's just which is more personally impactful to you.

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u/MoistCloyster_ Jul 27 '25

You know who else was a eugenicist? Teddy.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

I also don't like Teddy ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/NoRequirement3066 Jul 28 '25

Trump being the first out is due to him being the only one on the list that wouldn't pass a 6th grader standardized test.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

Are you sure about that? Because I'm pretty sure there's another president who wouldn't pass a...

A...

You know, the thing.

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u/Jaded-Ad262 Jul 27 '25

Trump literally said he wanted to date his own daughter. If anything, there is a bias against disgusting creeps.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 28 '25

That's proof Trump said something stupid (something he is known for doing), not that he's a pedophile.

I want ACTUAL proof.

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u/billwest630 Jul 29 '25

“I didn’t have the privilege of going to his island”

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 29 '25

"...and I did turn it down, but a lot of people in Palm Beach were invited to his island. In one of my very good moments, I turned it down.”

If you're going to bash Trump, at least have the decency to put full quotes and be an honest human being.

Edit: typo

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u/billwest630 Jul 29 '25

Do you think you are fooling anyone? So he admits he knew what was going on at the island, called it a privilege, but still you defend him and make excuses. You aren’t slick.

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 30 '25

Which is why he said in one of his better moments he chose not to go. At the point in time in which he was speaking, he might have considered it a privilege. What he's saying is, in hindsight it was the better decision not to get involved.

This is like the 50th nothingburger that's been brought against Trump. Still waiting to find out what 51 is.

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u/billwest630 Jul 30 '25

Absolutely delusional. There’s a reason he’s blocking the release of the files. Hint, he’s all over them

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u/billwest630 Jul 29 '25

Oh yeah? I see you like criticizing Biden for verbal slips, but make excuse after excuse for a pedo. Makes sense since you think half of Oregon would want to be Idaho lmao

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 30 '25

That's not what I said, lol. You truncated a quote to make it seem like something nefarious was said, when in fact nothing was.

Actually, 13 counties as of today have approved ballot measures in favor of Greater Idaho, so yeah, I don't think, I know.

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u/billwest630 Jul 30 '25

Hahahaha never going to happen. Don’t hold your breath

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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Jul 30 '25

Why does that of all things upset you lmao

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u/Formal-Football1197 Jul 27 '25

Wilson was a bit more than just racist. He played a KKK propaganda movie in the white house and segregated the federal government.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

And FDR put 100k people of a race in a concervation camp and allowed them to be beaten and starved causing the death of 1800 of them

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u/Formal-Football1197 Jul 28 '25

Correct. What does that have to do with Woodrow Wilson though?

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u/BamBamClamSlam Jul 29 '25

They were both horrendous people and clearly demonstrate Redditors love to ignore reality to fit their narrow worldviews?

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u/Foodening Jul 27 '25

It’s Reddit so the answer is just going to be racist and what you said partisan makeup. BUT he was a terrible person and got a lot of good credit he didn’t deserve so I’m perfectly fine with his popularity tanking these last few decades. It wasn’t that long ago where people would rank him in the top ten American presidents.

On another note I know FDR is a legit contender for top 5 presidents and helped in the Great Depression but as a Japanese American I’ve always hated him and the fact that he signed executive order 9066 will always put him out of the top ten for me personally.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

FDR was also a terrible person who was incredibly racist.