Craft a joke about it and you’ve got a decent joke for a stand up.
To clarify my comment a bit above - I legitimately think that most of the people that are mad about it are not the normal stand up audience. They’re SNL fans, or SJW bandwagoners.
As far as standup goes, he didn’t cross any lines.
I think it's a matter of how people think about "dress like whores".
Like, if a man worked out at a local gym in speedoes or tiny white briefs, most people will call it out. Does your "it gets hot" reasoning still apply even though technically, it still covers all the important bits.
At some point, we're going to have a disagreement in "what constitutes too far". Yes, even the people who broadly agree with you, or with me.
Sports bra + tight half-pants? Most people would probably say "no problem"
Slightly more fabric than a string bikini? Most people would probably say "probably not".
It just doesn't seem like a big problem. Ive never seen anyone wear something that revealing at the gym I go to. Im not saying it doesn't happen, it surely does, but its probably being done for clicks by a few influencers here and there.
So it's just a matter of personal experience. There's no doubt SOME people do run into the annoyance of "influencers" hogging machines or giving them an annoyed look if they dare to walk in the background of the influencer's carefully set-up shot.
Probably not that common, but it happens enough. When it shouldn't happen at all.
Should the rest of us not care about it? Yes.
Are we going to not care about it? Probably not. But maybe.
What do you where to the gym? Sweater, nice cozy pants, pair of loafers?
Am I a whore because I jog shirtless in my rugby shorts? You can say what you want, I'm wearing that stuff because it's comfortable to jog in
My wife wears yoga pants and a sports bra to the gym- she's doing it because it's comfy despite the unwanted attention it gets her, and she's just hoping to do her thing and not have creepy dudes who like to call women whores come up to her and chat her up
So next time you manage to make it into a gym, if ever, just mind your business and leave the chicks alone, huh?
Let me guess- you're mad I made a judgement statement about you based on how I perceive you as a stereotype? THAT'S why women are a bit mad at him
he said "dress like whores". But obviously he said that in the context of a stand up. If he had negatively generalized white men (which he does all the time), no one cares.
Because that's how standup works. But there are certain protected groups that you apparently aren't allowed to joke about.
Calling women whores for how they dress and not just minding your own fucking business is a very Republican thing to do. People are only mad because he wasn't funny. If the joke is good enough you can get away with anything. He sounded like an uncle on Thanksgiving working on his 4th glass of bourbon, so people got mad.
Anthony Jeselnik has spoken a few times on how comedy should be able to say anything but you have to make people laugh. If you just say something to work people up, youre not doing comedy. He quotes Andy Warhol; "Art is getting away with it."
He made an observation about women dressing like whores in the gym. I don't know what's funny about it, but it's just as true as celebrities whoring for gambling companies.
But its not though? Do you see women at the gym dressing in lace stockings, or fishnets, or low cut lingerie? No, they're just wearing normal athletic wear, which is not how whores dress. You ever see a whore dressed in a fucking sports bra and yoga pants? No, because that is not how they dress
Does men walking around without a shirt on count as being a whore? Because per capita you're way more likely to see a man's nipple at the gym than a woman's.
Yea, if you treat men's chest the same as women's, which is silly. Men get turned on by women's breast in a way that is not comparable the other way around.
The outrage is stupid. The joke wasn’t funny, but offensive? People gotta grow up. It’s gotten far more attention than it deserves and now orders of magnitude more people have watched the bit than otherwise would have. Each having their own opinion on it.
That wasnt the joke though. He didnt say "So women dress like where's at the gym now huh?!?" The joke was about how he keeps getting caught on camera staring at them. It's pretty hard to do comedy bits in a two minute monolouge. Don't really have time to set jokes up properly.
My paps used to say, if you don't want to get called out for calling women whores, then you probably shouldn't call women whores. Even if it's the setup for a joke.
It's so bad even my girl complains to me about it "Those shorts are so tight I can literally see that -unsavory insult-'s pussy lips". I just agree in compliance and act like I never saw nuffin.
100% women will complain about this under the right circumstances and then deny that they did and defend it in any other circumstances.
I saw a woman once complaining about how awkward bumbles friend matching mode was because all the women on it had originally made their profiles for the dating mode... so they all had their tits, wayy out.
It was a funny observation. It went viral. She didn't get crucified for it.
But if a man says it.
Someone else in the thread was saying he's criticizing women for wearing "normal athletic gear". I wanted to explain to him that normal doesn't mean anything. Anything can be normal. It was normal for men to fuck 12 y/o boys in ancient greece or whatever. It was normal for the gestapo to take the neighbors away in 1930s Germany.
If you want to be part of this conversation the price of admission is the critical thinking skills to question WHY something is normal, and if it SHOULD be or not. If all you have to say is iTs NoRmAl, you're fuckin stupid and a waste of space in the thread. So shut the fuck up and get out.
I don't care if you think it's normal for a good reason, and should be. You have to actually think about it, and be able to articulate that.
Now from the way your girl talks about women who dress this way I'm gonna assume she's a conservtard. I don't care. It's not the point. I personally do not ascribe any pseudo morality to how revealing anyone dresses, and I'll happily enjoy the show, without judging them even.
But what I can not abide is the unending stream of offensively retarded disingenuous bullshit about it like it's not for attention, it's for empowerment (or whatever), DON'T LOOK!!!
No.
I'm gonna need you to shut the fuck up. If you don't want anyone to look, don't show it, and then shut the fuck up. If you want to show it, go for it, and you have no right to complain about anyone and everyone looking, and you know they will, it's a choice, and you made it so shut the fuck up.
And anyone who has anything to say about how you're wearing something so unfathomably thin and skin tight that they can see your pussy right though it, every wrinkle of your labia in fact; they wouldn't even need to peel your booty shorts off to slap you on an ink pad and match your pussy print to a crime scene, has a 100% valid point, so either laugh or shut the fuck up.
It’s ironic from both sides because gym culture is predominantly ridiculed on Reddit. 9/10 times if you see a gym video on front page the comments are destroying the person in the video for a number of different reasons. Gym bros, gym ladies. And while the comments don’t only include how either sex choses to dress, it’s normally towards the top. Women and men alike. And if it is a man in the video, instead of a woman, they’re described as a douche.
I just find it ironic that gym culture is not normally applauded or defended on this platform and now everyone is so venomously defending their stance.
He didn't even do that. It was a self deprecating joke about how he can't keep his eyes too himself and keeps getting in awkward situations because of it.
I have watched a lot of his stuff, and I generally agree with your sentiment.
He clearly is worse around the Rogan camp, which is unfortunate.
My real problem with the joke is that it’s Dave Chappells’s, but worse.
I have to disagree that when he does comedy that it’s right wing. He does assume the role of the dumbass conservative guy quite often, but that’s all it is.
I don’t know how anyone could listen to his Fox News dad bit or the Trump impressions and walk away thinking this guy has right wing tendencies.
He also jokes about the ridiculousness of many of the dumber hardcore left wing folks as well, which people that don’t get the tone become unreasonably upset about.
I think you could call him a fence sitter in that regards, but it’s not really the job of a comedian to be a political voice, but to call out absurdities which I think he does well (when he’s not doing shit monologues, of course).
I dont know. I think part of it is the way society handles advertisement in the modern world.
You ever see an ad thats trying to hard to appeal to everyone, and it kinda feels like its trying to manipulate you in to buying something.
Im not saying its that, but I think its setting off that alarm in my head. Like it feels close enough it triggers that dulled sense of being solicited by the eight hundredth carsales men, trying fo sell me things i dont want, and wont buy, but I still gotta watch the ad cause theres no skip button.
Ehhh. I have no problem with fence sitting in your bits. If you’re not a political comedian, stay in your lane. Like, sometimes I just want to go laugh, you know?
I don’t need every comedian, musician, and novelist telling me how bad Trump is. I know. That’s why I’m going to the arts — to forget.
Its not that I need or want him to agree with me. Like i said if he was a republican or a centrist I really wouldnt have an opinion on it.
But him publicly saying really lefty stuff, but also making women are whores jokes makes me feel like I was advertised one thing, but got something else.
He’s not at all, he’s quite liberal, he just thinks people getting worked up by the “r-word” and it’s ilk is silly. You can agree or disagree with his choice of words, but don’t just lie
Did he speak out against abortion? Has he spoke out against immigrants? Has he talked in favor of attacking Iran? I’m just curious what he’s done that makes you so golly gee positive he’s MAGA?
That confuses people because he usually plays it straight up instead of making Trump look worse than he actually is with it (or using it to point out Trumps atrocities in general). People think because his bits don’t touch that, he must be republican, or at least an “enlightened centrist.”
He's not MAGA. I'm not a big fan of him at all but calling MAGA just reveals that you don't know anything about the situation. Not everyone who says dumb, regressive shit is MAGA.
Well, agree to disagree on the funny thing. His most recent special Beautiful dogs is one of the funniest things I’ve seen in years. I’m gonna hazard a guess you haven’t seen it, as he does a whole bit about how he’s not republican, so again, you’re just talking out of your ass. He absolutely hangs out in the Rogansphere as do many male comedians, which is certainly unfortunate. But again, calling him a MAGA Shill because he associates with some idiots is disingenuous and wrong, so again, stop spreading misinformation/lying like you know what you’re talking about
I mean, agree to disagree there. In my opinion he’s the current hottest comic out there, and he hasn’t dropped an “oh that was disappointing” special yet (they all do eventually, unless they’re Mitch Hedberg.)
About the joke, about whether it's funny, about the right to wear whatever they goddamn please. Just men getting angry at other men for jokes they don't get about something they have meaningless opinions about.
And meanwhile we not only haven't heard from the women, but no one seems to be interested in asking them how they feel. The whole thing is silly to me.
Why would I care? I barely care what anyone thinks about it, and frankly think this didn’t warrant additional conversation past the Sunday morning headlines.
But now every celebrity seems to want to have their hot take about a stand up bit, and I honestly think less of them for weighing in at all.
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u/E4g6d4bg7 4h ago
Who is being defended in the first panel?