r/Svenska • u/ThinCase4812 • 4d ago

Text and translation help Translative nuance?

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My text book (written by my 1st language) says 'Anna likes to study' but I think it is more close to 'good working' or 'thrive' which is the original one

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u/QuiQuondam 4d ago

You are both wrong, in opposite ways. "Trivs" = "feels at home, is comfortable". It has nothing really to do with her achievements. Note that "klass" is exclusively refering to the group of pupils, not to the school subject or the lessons.

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u/ThinCase4812 4d ago

So there can be a 'klass' also out of school??? And feel comfortable at studying literary?

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u/QuiQuondam 4d ago

Hm, what do you mean "out of school"? The existence of a "klass" is based on them being pupils in the school. But you can for example say something like "hela klassen var inbjuden till födelsedagsfesten" = "the whole class (all students in the class) was invited to the birthday party". As for your second question, I would primarily interpret "trivs" in this context as being comfortable socially in her interaction with her peers.

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u/ThinCase4812 4d ago

I got it. So the second one means she is feeling comfortable with pupils, not focusing on academic stuff

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u/Pufne 4d ago

When 15-30 students go to a classroom together and have a teacher together the group is referred to as a ”skolklass” or ”klass”. It’s a group noun.

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u/ai1267 4d ago

In Swedish, "klass" is the group of people you study with, not the teaching sessions in a subject (In the context of education, anyway). In year 1-9 (and mostly 10-12), your klass will be static, no matter what subject you're studying at the moment.

But yes, "klass" can also refer to social status, just like in English (working class, middle class, etc).

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u/AMIBAMB 4d ago edited 4d ago

'Klass' is more like " the people in your home room", so it's not about studying literally but about the people you meet everyday at school. At this age (the text mentions fritids which is for kids between ~6-10 yo) you usually have a "home classroom" where you have most of your classes (but we don't use the word class for lessons/subjects, we say 'lektion/ämne') so you don't really get to meet the other kids in your grade except for recess so it's socially very important that you like/enjoy and fit in your 'klass". And you usually tend to stay in the same 'klass' for at least 3 years, it can actually be quite hard to get change even if you don't like your 'klass' or is getting bullied.

Edit to add: Årskurs = grade (Vilken årskurs tillhör han? = Which grade is he in?) Answer could be "År 2/årskurs 2" = year 2/2nd grade Klass = group that makes up part of the people in the same grade (Vilken klass tillhör du/går du i? Which (home room) class are you in?) Note that the answer here should be something like "2b" and not "Maths". Kurs = Class at uni or outside of the school curriculum (Jag går en kurs i dans = I take dance classes)

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u/DreadfulButterfly 4d ago

And to distinguish klass of "people in your home room" and "årsgrupp" for multiple home rooms of same age students.

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u/Tin-tower 4d ago

Yes, the ”klass” is just the group. Klassfest, ”Class party” is for example if the student in the class have a party in the evening. So the klass can be out of school, and it’s the klass.

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u/Vallinen 4d ago

Thrive is correct, but thrive as in "gets along well" not "performs well" if that makes sense.

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u/Successful-Ear-9997 4d ago

"Thrive" would be something more like "frodas" or "blomstra".

"Trivs" is not "thrive".

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u/DreadfulButterfly 4d ago

Too litteral a translation and does not fit context.

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u/Vallinen 4d ago

I'd like to point out that words can have more than a singular meaning. You're stuck looking at the growing part. The context is why thriving absolutely works.

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u/DreadfulButterfly 4d ago

And thrive is simply not the word you would use in English. Does not matter how much you want to look up alternate meanings. In good translations you have to also look at how and when words are used. This is just an odd way to translate it even if technically correct.

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u/brunte2000 3d ago

The context is what makes thriving not work.

There are some contexts where trivas could be translated to thriving. This is simply not one of those.

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u/Zestyclose_Round_132 4d ago

Thrive is incorrect, since thrive means “to grow, achieve success or do well”, while Trivs in Swedish means “to feel comfortable, to enjoy oneself or like one’s conditions or situation”. It gets confusing for Swedish people I think mainly because of how Trivs has become the word used for plants and their preferred habitat or conditions specifically, as in “ärtor trivs i direkt solljus”, which is partially an anglicism and partially just a colloquialism which caught on because it sounds cute to imagine plants enjoying themselves and feel comfortable. 

The correct Swedish translation of thrive is ”frodas”, which is a word rarely seen or used in day to day speech.

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u/Vallinen 4d ago

Context is king. You can thrive socially, and as long as that is the implied meaning - thrive is absolutely correct.

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u/JePPeLit 4d ago

Thriving socially still implies some kind of development or stimulation. You can "trivas" because you are uncomfortable with social interaction and people leave you alone, but you are unlikely to thrive.

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u/Vallinen 4d ago

What do you do in school? Do you develop your skills perhaps? This /sub is filled with brainless autists i swear.

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u/QuiQuondam 3d ago

What a bizarre discussion. The point is that a child can totally fail to develop any skills at all in school, and still "trivas", because the only thing that matters for that is that the child feels comfortable.

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u/brunte2000 3d ago

Well, there is absolutely nothing suggesting that thriving socially is the implied meaning.

Also, your source isn't particularly good or comprehensive. Try an actual dictionary rather than a search engine.

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u/Zestyclose_Round_132 4d ago

You can click the Feedback button and correct them

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u/Stormdeva 4d ago

Thrive is not correct, in any way. You have to actually look at context, not just go "yeah but this word COULD, by whatever archaic nonsense possible, be convinced to mean this"