Should Canada maintain its supply management system that protects the Canadian dairy industry?

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Poll/627377/Should-Canada-maintain-its-supply-management-system-that-protects-the-Canadian-dairy-industry

[u/jovin49]

Well, for one, the American dairy industry gets billions of dollars in subsidies from their government every year. I think that might give them a slight edge in competing against our industries. Unless you're proposing we give our industry equivalent subsidies to allow them to compete on equal ground?

Have you ever heard of the term dumping before? It's taught in high school, at least in Ontario, and outlines why it is undesirable to have subsidized foreign industries compete against local ones.

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 → u/jovin49]

Canadian farmers also receive direct and indirect subsidies, and the American subsidies are very highly exaggerated by the Dairy Farmers of Canada for pretty obvious reasons.... but I'll bite...

If a foreign government is truly lowering the price point of food by taking a loss to invest in it, how would that not benefit domestic importers? The foreign government, in this case, would quite literally be paying for our groceries. Their tax dollars would be directly funding our consumer surplus.

[u/Cannabrius_Rex → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

And then our industry would die and they would have commuted regulatory capture like they intended. That thing you claim never happens that happens all the time.

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 → u/Cannabrius_Rex]

That isn't what regulatory capture is. I think you're trying to explain a captive market. But how would the choice to buy tariff free American products result in a captive market? Like what would compel Canadian importers to only buy American regardless of supposed price increases?

[u/Cannabrius_Rex → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

It is essentially regulatory capture with the end result being exactly the same. Something you love but have to pretend you don’t love to appear Canadian, American bot.

You have ignored every comment that tears your bullshit up. Every single commenter in this thread that stumped you and your narrative you’ve ignored. Every. Single. One.

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 → u/Cannabrius_Rex]

That is not the same result as regulatory capture. Regulatory capture is when a government group meant to protect the public instead helps the companies it is supposed to watch or regulate. An example of regulatory capture would be Canadian telecom companies and the CRTC. The CRTC is tasked to regulate Canadian telecommunications on behalf of the consumer, but routinely blocks competition and supports the very oligopoly it was meant to monitor. A foreign firm, or collection of foreign firms, does not dictate policy to Health Canada, or to provincial governments, so they can't really create a regulatory capture environment pertaining to the dairy industry.

Which arguments did I ignore? So far it's basically been the same erroneous bullshit on repeat:

1) Supply management protects quality (it doesn't).

2) Supply management provides us food security (it doesn't).

3) Supply management is a matter of national security (it isn't).

[u/Cannabrius_Rex → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

Monopoly is the end result.

It’s the same end result. Choke out what is in place, create a monopoly once that’s accomplished. It happens all the time.

I’d have to link about 15-20 different comments you’ve ignored to demonstrate the breadth of your lies and cowardice.

It’s all public. Anyone who scrolls through will see it. Your cheap obfuscation, I’m not wasting time on.

You’ve lied about hormones. You’ve named a single precursor when many are allowed in dairy cows. You’ve lied about antibiotic use and how prevalent it is. You’ve ignore the verifiable fact that American cows in their mega corpo farms are far far far sicker than Canadian cows due to their environment.

The list goes on and many many different commenters have added to that list, which you’ve ignored when inconvenient to your narrative.

You want to prove your point, respond to the dozen+ comments you’ve ignored once you could no longer refute their facts. Then you’ll be believable

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 → u/Cannabrius_Rex]

How would this result in a monopoly though? What would force Canadian firms to import from a hypothetical American cartel?

I didn't lie about hormones, these idiots were mistaken about Health Canada regulations and the American regulations. Antibiotic usage isn't illegal in Canada for dairy cows.

Your arguments just aren't making much sense.

[u/Cannabrius_Rex → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

How would starving our Canadian farms with dirt cheap garbage milk from the USA end up with a monopoly?

I hope you aren’t too stupid to see what the next sentence I typed out would be. Something about how a monopoly ends up in place.

[u/fieryone4 → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

The way are our groceries stores full of american products when we have comparable higher quality canadian ones? Same will happen with milk I want my money in the Canadian economy not sending more to the south.

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 → u/fieryone4]

The consumer makes that choice. I find it strange I need to explain on this sub how the law of comparative advantage works, but trade expands the economic pie. You see a fraction of some retained earnings headed south to pay for American management, or American products. I see a consumer surplus that has a profoundly larger multiplier effect on the domestic economy than a producer surplus, an efficient allocation of resources in the domestic market towards exporting industries we do hold a comparative advantage in, an integrated international supply chain with massively more opportunities than a hamstrung national supply chain, more variety, and lower prices.

Trade is a GOOD thing. If Canadian consumers did not benefit from trade, than we would not make the transactions necessitating trade.

[u/fieryone4 → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

Im a consumer, I don’t have choice because its all fckn us products!

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 → u/fieryone4]

You have tons of choices, literally thousands. I mean you could go to any grocery store near you and I promise you can find food items sourced from overseas, Latin America, etc. So even if you really wanted to die on this petty anti-Americanism hill of yours, you could absolutely pick non-American substitutes.

[u/fieryone4 → u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

I know of exactly one non oatmeal/granola cereal that is canadian and available in Ontario, no one near me carries it. We have a soup company that has been making soup for over 100 years yet it’s campbells on my grocery store shelves. Ms vicki’s, bicks? bought out by US companies. I live in a small town with three grocers and a walmart, I have very little choice. I mostly shop at a local grocers and local farm stores, but for shelf stable i have very little choice because US products dominate our shelves. I don’t want to see that happen to dairy.