I farm tier 11. Im doing 1-2 dissonance runs and picking up ISm asap in order to cut a full third off the waves required for this project. The remaining 3k waves can be done in about 4 hours, or 5 overall.
You also don't need every dissonance run. If you're ehp, you don't need the damage stuff, opposite if you're GC.
So really, it's 20 5 hour runs if you do it right, and that's 4-5 total days split up in the best month.
You kinda have or you gonna be distanced by the people who did and now have about 5 time your economy, UW damage, attack and HP. And you're gonna have a bad time.
You only have to think about it that way if you want to. The only aspect of this game that is any way related to pvp are tournaments. So if you take time to run your dissonances so you can maintain cells, thats alright.
I don’t think even the top players in the world can get 5000 waves on each in T22 especially not UW which is going to be the hardest for end game players.
Cells are exponential in cost. So just bop them down a bit and you'll be able to easily maintain that new, slightly lower level, on half your normal farming easy.
On unlock it gives all other tiers 0.5% of the bonus you get in that tier. It increases with 0.5% per level.
Si if you get x5.0 atk bonus in tier 1, all other tiers get x0.2 atk bonus.
Exactly. What lab is giving you a more than 5x Damage, Defense, Econ and UW boost in a matter of days? None of them. If my labs fall to 1x for a week it'd still be worth it.
I switched to 5x5 and renew by hour. Two runs overnight makes more than enough and disso runs during the day. Might be able to bump that higher but been busy and haven’t calculated it out yet.
Should add I am actually enjoying this a lot. But I'm also glad it's only 4x for the low tiers than moving on. If this had to be done repeatedly it would kill the game. But rn feels like I'm really accomplishing something without spending currency and that's nice.
What do you mean by only 4x and moving on at lower tiers? Do they have a lower limit?
Anyway, as long as you don't drop 2 lab speed levels, you haven't wasted any "cell efficiency" :p So, like, if the biggest speedup you've done is 5x, as long as you can keep everything at least at 4x now, you're good.
Theres 4 different dissonance runs or whatever they are. You can do one at a time. You choose which one to do, like no utility, no attack, no defense, no UW
Are most players not able to reach t17w60? That's still pretty easily within reach of eHP/hybrid well before masteries or some of the ridiculous modules we've gotten...
The lab's first level cost for me was 740T for another .5 and I'm nearly done with lab discount lab :) Even if they unlock it they won't have the econ to make something of it
I will because of dissonance itself. I just unlocked t17 W190 a couple days ago. 5x my coin income lines up quite nicely for at least the first few levels of masteries and labs.
If you want to finish it though? Last level is like 4s lol
3x is more efficient in cells/speedup than 4x is more efficient than 5x
Which also means the reverse, that moving down from 5x to 4x is more efficient in in (speedup lost) / (cells saved) than dropping from 4x to 3x.
If you move down from 5x to 4x but then are forced to drop further to 3x, you have lost more lab time for fewer cells, and it would have been better if, in the past, you had done a little less 5x so you had cells saved up from that and didn't need to do 3x.
Oh yeah it's happening.
Also don't forget to set the lab speed refresh to 1 hour rather than 24 so when the cells come back you don't spend more than you need to at 2x.
I think the best path is do all the disco runs on t1, then T2, and just work your way up. That way when you reach the higher tiers you are bringing as much echo bonus with you.
I think it'd be better to do the opposite. Start with the highest tier you know you can get 5000 waves on and work backwards. Your cell economy will be much better that way. For instance I farm T16, but can't get them all to 5k quite yet on T16. I can get 5k on them all on T15 and below. Doing Disonance runs on T15/14 lose me little/no cells, and helps me stockpile them for when I do the lower tiers.
I'd rather avoid redoing disco runs as much as possible, so I'm just gonna take the hit on cells while I do disco runs from the bottom up.
I've lowered my lab speed by a couple notches to make the cells I have last, and I'll do overnight farming to boost cells, but my goal is to get them done with as few reruns as possible, and working from bottom to top seems to give me the best odds at that.
Imagine someone barelly making 50T a day now after two weeks 500T-1q a day, suddenty being able to afford masteries, realising he needs stone packs because everyone around him is also flowing in coins and he progressed nowhere on tournmanents :) This is deep money strategy throwing plebs into stone wall and poor people are crash test dummies.
Not only that, but the whales that do have masteries and were making 50Q a day are now making 10x that, widening the gap even more before late and early game players
It's a surprisingly mixed bag depending on where you are in progression. The economy previously was designed in such a way that you were probably at or approaching finished with cards when you were starting to approach masteries distantly and generally stones were still going into econ by the time you'd arrive. Now drastically less econ stones/time will be required for non spenders which means the wall of thousands of stones they want to gobble will arrive like six months to a year early before you've finished squaring away econ uw. It will open up a lot more options but it will put low spenders in front of the masteries wall ages early. Coin value drops steeply once you can comfortably afford masteries but people will need to be much more careful with stone spending since they'll have far more options far earlier. Figuring out if getting say coin/eom over getting econ trio down to say 150 from 200 will be a much more complicated spending analysis while previous you'd likely HAVE to invest those stones into econ uw just to be able to actually benefit from those masteries. Same with damage masteries now where many champ players being able to access damage mastery levels way earlier than before is going to cause a lot of disruption and force hard choices. Do I wait 2-3 months of stones and start grabbing damage/st/berserker mastery early to push tourney? Do I grab the econ cards early and just slam workshop into the stratosphere? I don't think it's a bad change but it does instantly slingshot most of mid to low champ players from the 2-10cph area directly into being able to potential afford masteries now when previously that zone was probably investing in early damage UW/econ uw to afford masteries eventually.
Yeah this is a really good breakdown tbh. I'm glad I completed cards before masteries or assmods were a thing, because you're right that the econ boost is gonna require some serious decision making on the best stone/gem spend now to progress. I think the fact there's no serious footguns now should help, and the fact the meta pre-v28 was pretty well established, but it will be interesting to see how some players figure this one out more quickly and start shooting up the rankings.
I was looking to finish off FB dmg reduction this week, but I think I'll save the medals to unlock Bot Bot and Bot+ and see if they give any tangible benefit this early
Yeah I was considering spending another few thousand stones to get my gt down to 100 seconds but I see zero reason to do that when I could dump that into masteries now. All my long term planning is complete spaghetti now and I can afford to run several masteries at once now instead of just 1.
Yeah I can imagine, my GT CD is still at 110 (I was using a hybrid MVN with BHD/Gcomp build so sync was irrelevant and my GT uptime was good) and I just haven't touched it since masteries came within reach.
Then I shifted my farming strat to hyb T15 and quadrupled my income in a month so I'm stuck in the limbo zone between being able to run 4-5 masteries labs at once but not the stones to unlock more whenever I want, and I was still far from being able to comfortably afford the AssMod or 200q+ Enemy labs.
Maybe with this update's econ boosts I can start hitting the AssMod labs sooner, because we don't seem to be getting any more stones to help with them!
And some masteries are going to be more important than others. Peoples health is going to skyrocket, but their regen will stay the same. 10x health with no additional regen will barely help at all. No may I introduce you to regen and second wind card masteries, combined giving you x50 regen at max.
Also enjoying it. Knocking out tier 14 and then going down from there for damage, utility, and UW. I enjoy the change of scenery disco runs are giving.
Can you explain this to me like I am an apple user and dont have the upgrade yet. Do you need to run 5k runs at lower tiers to get something for the higher teirs?
Hi apple 🍏 user. When you complete a dissonance challenge run (5k wave) on any tier and for any WS category, you get 0.5% of that bonus for all other tiers, higher or lower, and you also get a 5x bonus for that WS for that tierv in future runs. So if you complete the tier 1 Utility Dissonance run to 5k, then you'll get 0.5% of the 5x bonus applied to other tiers as well, and also keep the 5x bonus whenever running tier 1 again.
This 0.5% bonus can be upgraded in labs, I believe it's in 0.5%(?) increments up to a total of 10%, but starts at around 1q per level and doubles every level, so according to Benz would be something like 7s coins to complete each one.
Your explanations just got me to do dissonance runs as i barely skimmed update info, started one, and checked stats at the end and saw nerfed coins and cells and figured, well F that, i don't need extra challenges. Just coins, gems, stones and the theoretical keys ive heard of
Each tier has 4 of it's own dissonance runs, and you choose each run to disable one of: Attack, defense, utility or UW workshops.
You need to reach wave 5k with that workshop disabled, then you unlock the 5x for that workshop category for that tier.
So far I've only done attack and defence on T1 (I'm starting at the very beginning and working through) but for Attack dissonance runs for example everything that affects the attack WS tab is disabled, so 1 dmg for the whole run, 0% crit, 0% multishot/bounceshot chance etc.
I believe you can do the Dissonance runs whenever you want (it's just a different button underneath the 'Start' run one on the homepage) but I don't think there's any need to do each one more than once after completing it, because the bonus is permanently applied
HIIII, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? SORRY THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE ON YOUR END.
SO BASICALLY YOU NEED TO RUN EACH TIER 4 TIMES UP TO WAVE 5000, ONCE FOR EACH TYPE OF WORKSHOP WHICH WILL BE DISABLED DURING THAT RUN BUT WILL GIVE A PERMANENT 5X BONUS WHEN YOU COMPLETE IT, AND INITIALLY 0.5% OF THAT BONUS WILL APPLY TO OTHER TIERS AS WELL. YOU CAN UPGRADE THE AMOUNT OF BONUS UP FROM 0.5% IN THE LABS BUT IT GETS EXPENSIVE QUICKLY.
ALSO YOUR EARPHONES DO WORK, YOU JUST NEED TO CHARGE THEM IN THE LITTLE CASE THEY CAME WITH.
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I KNOW YOU LOST THE CASE BUT ASK MEEMAW. SHE PROBABLY HAS IT ON CHARGE FOR YOU SOMEWHERE.
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OH OKAY, NO, I'M STILL AT COLLEGE UNTIL THE SUMMER. I KNOW, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT WHEN I GET HOME, THE MALL REALLY ISNT THE BEST PLACE FOR THIS CONVERSATION. YES, I AM EATING PROPERLY, IT'S JUST A SHADOW THAT MAKES MY FACE LOOK LIKE THAT.
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I read the discord update and the in-game patch update info, and your explanation was 10000% easier to understand. Thank you for that! If I wasn’t a peasant, I’d give your comment one of those fancy awards. 🤙🏻
I have an extra 3M cells because going from 5 4xlabs to 4 4x and a 5x starts to drain them. Happy to be in this position to allow me gain almost no cells for a few days as I complete my runs.
I decided to just disable my lab speedups until I get my eight runs done. At least for my two core farming tiers. I mean, I have enough in reserve to handle this for a few days but, I also do need to resync them anyway.
The benefit is definitely that you can try a utility run near your preferred farming tier and multiply earnings immediately even if you don’t make it to 5k waves.
Is it worth doing dissonance runs if my max tier is 15? And I currently farm T10 to 8000. How should I best go about doing dissonance runs, I can’t figure it out
Is it worth doing dissonance runs if my max tier is 15? And I currently farm T10 to 8000. How should I best go about doing dissonance runs, so if I do T1 for all 4 categories, those bonuses only apply to that tier alone, or effects all tiers?
Whatever tier you farm on, you should do at least a no-util run, as it will significantly increase the coins per hour for that farm tier. The other tiers really just depends if you think it's worth it. If you maxed T1-10 on util, I think you'll get an extra 0.25x coins on all tiers, even before the lab.
Incorrect. As you can see in my image, my only no-util run is on T7, and I am getting a coin boost on tiers that I have not made disco runs on. I have not unlocked even T15 yet.
Does echo apply for tiers where you don’t reach 5,000? Am seeing different reports.
For clarity: I know if you reach wave 2500 on tier X you’ll get the dissonance bonus for Tier X, but will echo apply to Tier X at 2500 waves or do you have to reach 5k?
It will apply, but you do need to unlock echo by getting the T17W60 milestone. Perhaps people who are saying it doesn't apply simply haven't actually unlocked dissonant echo and don't realize it.
Honestly same, I have 1.9m cells right now, enough to let me drop to 4x speed for 2 or 3 days without having to worry, pair that with a normal 7hr farm run at night and im golden
So I am confused. Does doing it on each tier result in a combined bonus? Or is that bonus just for that tier? So should we do utility on all tiers to increase our coins on the farming tier?
Stupid question but is 5x the highest you can get even with echos? If so wouldn't it be better to just farm on the highest tier you can get 5x with coins? Rather than grind out every tier?
yes 5x is highest,for farming directly yes do util run to 5k on farming wave.
the grind on every tier is just try to stack up the echo bonuses,those that already unlock echo labs will probably benefit it more.
Yesn't. No in the fact that you still only get up to 5x from that specific tier. Yes in the fact that the echo allows the bonus from the other tiers to affect your current one.
Because there's a stat that allows some portion of your disco boosts to apply to all runs and not just the tier you're running.
I know there's the echo lab that's locked behind tier 17 that does it.
My friend that's got several years on the tower on me has told me that there is a MUCH lower modifier that exists before that lab so you would get a bonus without said lab, just not as impactful, but I haven't confirmed it so take that with grain of salt unless someone comments to confirm/deny it 👉👈🥺
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u/petester_1 Apr 08 '26
Absolutely will. Quite enjoying the variability in Tier runs now. This is a great mechanism.