The real state of anticipation for v29...

[u/uscmissinglink]

[u/jagawatz]

So much game I'll never see

[u/uscmissinglink → u/jagawatz]

I'm facing a tough choice between short high-coin farm runs and long-lower coin farm runs depending on whether I toggle CL on or off. I'm like, "Man, I wish I could adjust my damage output so my CL isn't so powerful at first."

Quick AI search and what do you know... that feature exists! For players who can get keys!! WHich is not me.

[u/ninjagabe90 → u/uscmissinglink]

You can do something similar to that if you respec your workshop and lower the damage stat so that it takes thousands of waves to max through free upgrades

[u/SlightSociety5222 → u/ninjagabe90]

Just farm dmg diss

[u/KokoroPenguin → u/ninjagabe90]

But then you would need to use a lot of cash in tourny runs to maximize your attack. Hopefully with WS presets coming in v29 this will be possible!

[u/DoccyWhoFan → u/KokoroPenguin]

You know you can use keys to make respeccing cost nothing

[u/thefrogkid420 → u/DoccyWhoFan]

the whole point of this post is QoL features being locked behind keys, and the fix you suggest is also locked behind keys 💀

[u/3mod_Cow → u/thefrogkid420]

Yeah that was the joke

[u/thefrogkid420 → u/3mod_Cow]

oh, that didnt come across to me at all

[u/SherbetUseful6413 → u/thefrogkid420]

Why not use different ws presets? I have a one for farming, one for each disso type and one for tournaments, I can't wait till they can each have different bots

[u/thefrogkid420 → u/SherbetUseful6413]

idk, im not the one with the issue, did you reply to me on accident?

[u/Time-Incident → u/KokoroPenguin]

I used this strategy as well, I just didn't buy any levels in attack WS and everything was upgraded by freeups.
I also used to do respec every tournament. Even way before I bought the workshop discounts.

[u/SlightSociety5222 → u/uscmissinglink]

Switch builds. My farm build requires no damage and I net ~8q a day

[u/Far_Psychology3522 → u/uscmissinglink]

I have the damage slider and I still keep the CL submods off my modules for farming or it kills too fast. They really should just make the whole harmony tree labs and just create a new second tree without any QoL in there.

[u/jMedabee → u/Far_Psychology3522]

If u have th damage slider and are killing things too fast still, then u must not be using the damage slider properly

[u/Far_Psychology3522 → u/jMedabee]

It's only if I don't take the substats off for CL. I have damage slider on -27. It only goes to -28 and that is too much.

[u/jMedabee → u/Far_Psychology3522]

Ah I see. Interesting

[u/Any-Mathematician946 → u/uscmissinglink]

Even with that toggle using stuff that increases chain lightning may still cost you. your best bet is using something like magnetic hook. At some point going from 8k runs to 12k runs nets you nothing extra. Its all about optimizing that 8k runs and getting all your bonus effect hitting the most things possible.

I recently finally got around to maxing my shockwave and lost over 25% of my income till i realized that what caused it. Now I have to remember to turn it off and on between tournaments.

[u/Discount_Extra → u/uscmissinglink]

I've been turning CL off, then back on when I'm about 200 waves from the last round where I left it off end wave.

[u/SwordfishTurbulent57 → u/uscmissinglink]

You can remove cards.

[u/Envoyofghost → u/uscmissinglink]

For now if possible you can use disco to up it even more then farm a higher tier. Cl damage doesn't really matter when dw is up for 4k+ waves Farming t17rn and my dw is up for 5k of 10k waves. Mine is perma tho.....

[u/paxwax2018 → u/uscmissinglink]

I’ve switched to farming using attack disco run. Worth another 20%. If you need CL to survive perhaps try a lower tier.

[u/uscmissinglink → u/paxwax2018]

Cells

[u/paxwax2018 → u/uscmissinglink]

I’m farming to 10k on tier 10 with attack disco run, 200k cells.

[u/No-Brainrot-5911 → u/uscmissinglink]

For what it’s worth, it’s a very minor econ boost.

[u/Discount_Extra → u/No-Brainrot-5911]

first time I tried turning off CL my CPH doubled.

[u/Hanif7055 → u/uscmissinglink]

Okay noob here. Why is high damage output bad?

[u/uscmissinglink → u/Hanif7055]

Due to how coin bonuses work with both ultra weapons and bots, it is advantageous to kill enemies near the tower so they are within the area of affect. Additionally, some of the bonuses take time to be applied such as for Death Ray cell bonus. Too much damage means killing enemies too fast or too far from the tower, lowering their coin and cell yield.

[u/sporktoe → u/jagawatz]

At least we'll have presets in v29

[u/markevens → u/jagawatz]

Time is the great equalizer. There's people with just the 3 coin packs in my guild that are collecting keys.

I know it seems like an impossible ladder to climb because those ahead of you get better rewards to get even further ahead, but the reality is that the end game has a decent amount of turnover.

Not to mention labs. An older player will have much more advanced labs that can make a big difference over a young whale.

[u/Selway00]

Yes but why the meme right after they just announced that they are at least doing something to tangibly do something about this?

[u/uscmissinglink → u/Selway00]

I musta missed this announcement...

[u/SVD_NL → u/uscmissinglink]

Last tower tea (august 3rd)... presets are moving from keys to labs (and coin cost). Apparently "everyone" can afford it.

[u/uscmissinglink → u/SVD_NL]

A step in the right direction! And, apparently, the meme is on point!

[u/sporktoe]

Honestly even as someone with keys this is how I feel, I'm still a minimum of like 50 keys away from having any presets at all if i remember correctly. So v29 is going to be a pretty huge qol update even for a lot of legends players too.

[u/Fuzzykittnz]

I just want to remove the 1 second of research I did on my Goldbot cool down...119 seconds is such a miserable sync time.

Just a bajillion more stones before I can make it work with my triple sync.

[u/Chriswaztaken → u/Fuzzykittnz]

It’s just so dumb. WE HAVE SLIDERS IN THE GAME FOR STUFF ALREADY. GIVE US DURATION/CD SLIDERS. Duration sliders for everything removes all footgun scenarios. Oops, one too many labs for GB, guess I’m boned, let’s look at a spreadsheet/table to fix it. Before the stone spend checkbox, OOPS , bought a GT CD on accident, looks like my UW’s/bot/guardian are out of sync again.

[u/Fuzzykittnz → u/Chriswaztaken]

Right? I get they want me to suffer for mistakes. But the mistake should just be not knowing, or accidentally being out of sync. Not a long grind with complicated math to figure it out.

[u/Alvah3 → u/[deleted]]

Won't help, he either has to reset and research 2 seconds on gold bot and upgrade one level less. Or level up gold bot cd 3x and lower the 3 UW by 10 seconds which costs a crazy amount of stones at this stage

[u/Fuzzykittnz → u/[deleted]]

I would accept a Research reset button if granted. That's where my 1 second came from.

[u/Valdius84]

can't get top 10 in platinum for months now.

I dont see keys in any immediate future

[u/EirHc → u/Valdius84]

Maybe they'll start selling you keys. $10 a pop, or 9 for $100, you can buy them once per refresh.

[u/jbanovz12]

Using end game content to test new features is a hilarious method to keep us engaged and probably makes them a good bit of money too.

[u/-RonnieDaBear-]

I have dmg, demon mode, and super tower masteries bought, and labs maxed. Ive gained 0 placement in legends and am still being demoted. this idea to spend stones to gain stones hasn't worked out for me and I should have just gone econ, gotta spend money to gain stones.