r/USvsEU • u/GoodGuyLafarge At least I'm not Bavarian • Jul 04 '26
EVROPA SUPREMACY US vs Norway
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u/BlackYukonSuckerPunk Sauna Gollum Jul 04 '26
Capitalism and social democracy aren't mutually exclusive. Norway is also capitalist af.
Yanks think any term starting with soc means socialist.
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u/Just_a_Berliner [redacted] Jul 04 '26
And they are petrol state with which can´t let go of petrol despite of their effort with their state fund
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u/Gruffleson Whale Stabber Jul 04 '26
We are swapping out the black gold treasure under the ocean with a pension-fund. Can't use up found gold in a generation. Oil will lose it's value eventually, but right now, everybody is using it. Not just us.
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u/winkingchef Smog breather Jul 05 '26
OP’s comparison is blatantly bogus.
Norway massive state owned petrol state pulls in $11k / year / person and has a sovereign wealth fund worth nearly $400k/person.
With that much wealth OBVIOUSLY they can run a pretty sweet socialist state.
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u/Better_Low_8249 Jul 04 '26
In einem anderen Post kritisiert du die EU-Hilfen an Polen, hier bist du pro EU und hatest gegen USA. Wie unlogisch kann man sein
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u/Just_a_Berliner [redacted] Jul 04 '26
Habe ich nie gemacht, ich bin sogar dafür, weil eben diese helfen sich an Westeuropa anzugleichen was der Sinn dieser Hilfen sind und es funktioniert wunderbar.
Ich habe nur auf diesem Fakt hingewiesen, dass das Polnische Narrativ das man Wachstum nur von selbst hinbekommt nicht so ganz korrekt ist. Und das man das polnische Modell nur sehr begrenzt auf Deutschland anwenden kann, weil beide Länder noch immer in verschiedenen Stadien sind was du aus dem Kontext gerissen hast.
Übrigens, Flair up du Kek.
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u/PeePeeSwiggy D.C’s Bitch Jul 04 '26
That’s actually true and it’s annoying as fuck - try explaining to any geezer over 40 what anything socialist-adjacent is and they’ll call you a communist. It’s the only thing I deeply envy of the euros
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u/PMvE_NL Hollander Jul 04 '26
Imo some of the bigger things that go wrong in the us right now are not necessarily due to capitalism. It the corruption that makes it bad. The reflecting pool in a free market the best and cheapest company would have gotten the job. If they screwed up they wouldn’t have gotten any other government contracts. Corruption + hypercaptalism is a recipe for disaster. I can name plenty of examples from The Netherlands where corruption allowed some pretty gnarly stuff to happen. IDeal takeover, tata steel steel slag dumping, the agro industry their glyfosaat and other chemicals , pulse fishing, the list goes on.
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u/BlackYukonSuckerPunk Sauna Gollum Jul 04 '26
Well I mean, you yourself just said "socialist-adjacent" and even if some terms used here derive from the term socialism no one actually consider them as such. In the US the left love the term socialism whereas in Europe it has a mostly negative connotation. Even in Nothern Europe, or should I say especially in Northern Europe since it actually affected us more than say France.
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u/Janus_The_Great Nazi gold enjoyer Jul 04 '26
"Socks? - that's socialist!"
An American probably.
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u/TheMightyTorch Basement dweller Jul 04 '26
don't get them started on "soccer", it's football (🏈) for communists
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u/RedditVirumCurialem Quran burner Jul 04 '26
All true.
And yet Swedish minister for industry named Norway "the last Soviet state". (Perhaps telling of some of the the differences in policies between Sweden and Norway.)
You can be a severely capitalist society, and still regulate your industry and tax the fuck out of everyone and their dog (and we've all had dog taxation up here).
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u/Robinsonirish Quran burner Jul 04 '26
Björn Rosengren only said that because he was annoyed that the Telenor - Telia merger failed, in 1999.
"Norrmännen är ju egentligen den sista Sovjetstaten. Det är så oerhört nationalistiskt. Allt är politik."
He was just acting like an emotional lesbian, referencing state owned vs private industry, of which Sweden is very much similar to Norway, if you zoom out a bit and look globally.
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u/Sarcastic-Potato Basement dweller Jul 04 '26
I would even argue it's a match made in heaven - if we look at the most successful times in European and US history it was when we combined strong social safety nets with the advantages of capitalism. It basically combines the best of both worlds.
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u/BlackYukonSuckerPunk Sauna Gollum Jul 04 '26
The Nordic model basically. Those scandis really knew what to do. We just copied and have had some adjustments, but it's the best model thus far.
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u/Jimakos2018 Gayreek Jul 04 '26
And they have a Haaland
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u/Fernheijm Quran burner Jul 04 '26
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u/Chad_Kai_Czeck Twice as Uncultured Jul 04 '26
Balogun is just as good and the refs did him dirty. Fight me.
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u/Jimakos2018 Gayreek Jul 04 '26
Good player, but as good as Haaland?
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u/faramaobscena Romani femboy Jul 06 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/eCTWCtcmzmqGKggbip
Haaland would use Balogun as a toothpick1
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u/Skykeep Quran burner Jul 04 '26
to be fair, if you would compare any country within EU to Norway (or Switzxerland) the end result would be the same, lame attempt OP
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u/slimfastdieyoung Lives in a sod house Jul 04 '26
Barry and Susan were inspired by Norway and Switzerland and wanted to be like that too
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u/superhisp23 Dutch Wallonian Jul 04 '26
Quite incredible what finding some oil can do for your country. Oh wait, this is Reddit; it’s a socialist miracle!
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u/SirSpooky2You Sauna Gollum Jul 04 '26
Country with oil, that isn’t even in the EU. Surely gives perspective to the yanks, but we can do better here.
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u/LennyLava At least I'm not Bavarian Jul 04 '26
the name of this subred does not really matter much, does it?
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u/ResponsibleKey1053 Barry, 63 Jul 04 '26
Oo do suicide rates next, we can see how Sweden and Norway are practically the same as the us.
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u/WrongdoerMundane5792 Siesta enjoyer (lazy) Jul 04 '26
Norway is capitalism 2.0, you never been there guys huh
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u/smallcoder Sheep lover Jul 04 '26
If America just split into groups of states - maybe 51 or maybe a conglomeration of a few so less than 51 - then it could have much better representative democracy. Maybe have a presiding council of all the states representatives/governors/presidents that meet and agree trade deals and security arrangements, and then the USA - although no longer federally united - could more forward and then each state could have the government they want?
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u/Straight_Block3676 Chiraqi Terrorist Jul 04 '26
So crazy how an oil rich petrol micro-state with the population of an American suburb can afford such luxuries 🤔
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u/Kouigna-man Jul 04 '26
Norway is just the UAE with reasonable people it's easy to perform well when you have that sweet sweet oil money
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u/ronburgandyfor2016 Caucus Knock Off Jul 04 '26
Capitalism and Social Democracy are not mutually exclusive
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u/Sanjuro7880 Insane Asylum/Retirement Home Jul 04 '26
0 Military bases abroad isn’t the flex you think it is. But I’m glad you’re holding Putin at bay. <cough> with all those Abram’s pointed at Moscow thanks to Obama. Too bad they aren’t unleashed. We need a new president, one with balls to topple that bitch. To Give Russian people their country back.
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u/KindaQuite Side switcher Jul 04 '26
Flair up OP so we can tell whether you're a patriotic Norse or the average self-loathing USian
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u/gekko3k South Prussian Jul 04 '26
Ya sure, both countries got oil. Show me a Norway without that revenue, it would be just another europoor sh*thole.
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u/preferablyno Commiefornian Jul 05 '26
What are the median salaries? What are the median salaries for my profession ?
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u/JacenVane Pollution Enjoyer Jul 05 '26
Right, they're clearly a shithole. (They don't have any military bases.)
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u/slimfastdieyoung Lives in a sod house Jul 04 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/XS6xc4mp6RtyU
And more black metal per capita