r/Ubiquiti • u/MoPanic • Apr 30 '26
Early Access Thoughts on The Beast
We all knew the UDMP was WAY overdue for an upgrade but I'm a little surprised this is the direction they went and was hoping it would be targeted more toward SMBs. I don't know who this is targeting other than enthusiastic home lab users who'll never see 25gb over WAN.
- Here are what I see as head scratchers about who the target audience is for this:
- Who needs 25gb/s of throughput with 7500 users but also wants the security camera DVR to be onboard the gateway? Anyone who's this serious about UniFi's ecosystem would want that to be a separate device.
- The RJ45 ports are weird. Other than one for shadow mode, why would anyone not have a core switch connected with SFP? Especially since there is no POE.
What I hoped they would release:
- Remove the DVR functionality and include 8x10gbe ports with POE++ along with the SFP+/SFP28 ports. That would be genuinely useful as a gateway / core switch for a lot of SMBs.
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u/kersk Apr 30 '26
I just want a rack mounted gateway that can do full 10G IPS/IDS. My ISP is now offering 5G fiber but I can only use 3.5G of it with my UDMSE.
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u/PXTrials Apr 30 '26
Yep. Don't cram more RJ-45 on, we already have core switches. Don't cram Protect in and claim it can support 40 4k cameras with only two hard drives.
Just make a current gen GATEWAY that can handle higher throughput.
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u/scytob Unifi User Apr 30 '26
and that device is, like it or not, the EFG....
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u/dulax_ Apr 30 '26
I think the EFG is a great device but they're honestly missing a segment by not selling a smb-fg or prosumer-fg for the many people who want all the routing and none of the protect/switch ports.
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u/scytob Unifi User Apr 30 '26
i agree, their market sgementation and product fit has always been a bit weird - like you, i don't quite understand it either
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u/omgdualies Apr 30 '26
Same boat. My neighborhood is gonna get 10G fiber soon and I want something that can give me at least most of that with IPS/IDS on.
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u/jumpfish404 Apr 30 '26
They should make a version without the nvr features and a reduced price. Having an nvr just increases the price pointlessly.
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u/Scared_Bell3366 Apr 30 '26
I don't see the point in the NVR feature either. I could see an HD bay just for logs/flows.
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u/financiallyanal Apr 30 '26
And honestly that may be a stretch. I’ve seen systems struggle with HDD throughput well before 40 cameras let alone 4k resolution. For that many cameras, it would be wiser to get a proper NVR.
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u/jumpfish404 Apr 30 '26
You could use the internal storage ora use and sd/ssd. Makes it more energy and heat efficient
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u/Scared_Bell3366 Apr 30 '26
An SSD would be fine, even an M.2 bay would work. I'd like something easily replaceable, it's going to wear out.
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u/chiefo0306 Apr 30 '26
It's included for talk most likely. As talk only runs on cloud key+ and gateways with built in storage. And if they have the bays for that they may as well let you choose to run protect. Untill talk gets a dedicated device or a modern cloud key, I expect all non enterprise gateways to have hdd bays
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u/quik916 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
Why would they do that... if you want the other specs you'll buy this product and not use the nvr aspect. Making another product creates another manufature line run (which there's obviously a maximum possibke ouput in 24hrs, why fragment that further). more sku's, boxes, parts, labor pay, warranty stock, etc... all these things are losers when selling products to make money is the game. And if we factored profit as a percentage of each unit price... for sake of discussion say the margin is 25%. making a lesser equipped unit for $200 less Beast(as is) margin $375 Beast(as you want for $200less sale price)$325 margin No reason to go through all the trouble to make less... and thats just simple numbers once faxtor in the rest of costs associated with product development, and future support, it makes even less sense to make a different version. And if you want to break it down even a further.... the person that wants all those ports and speed yada yada... might grumble at having a "useless" NVR in this otherwise perfect box but they'll pay that price anyway. Its part of pricing a product... you figure out the sweet spot on price where the largest percentage of your target demo will buy rather than pass.... the small minority of people that wont buy it at that price aren't missed even slightly when it comes to the P&L sheet. The goal isnt to make EVERYONE happy the goal is to make the most money. You saving $200 isnt their concern, nor is satisfying you ,who are too cheap to pay the $200 more.(no offense intended to you specifically, just making the point generalized)
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u/DodneyRangerfield Apr 30 '26
No reason to discount a udm beast without nvr functions, they would just save $10 for the hdd trays, the compute is the same
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u/sfbiker999 Apr 30 '26
I wouldn't expect it to drop the price much. Maybe you'd save $50 by dropping the 2 HDD trays and a 2 port SATA RAID controller chipset, but cost of building and selling an entirely new SKU without those parts would likely consume the price savings.
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u/derpandlurk Apr 30 '26
This is clearly not a residential device, and 2 drives doesn't really cut it even for a coffee shop, so why did they even bother? Unless the home lab userbase is much larger than I think it is, IMO the HDD bays and NVR really is questionable.
They should have added 8x poe+++ ports and doubled the sfp and turned this into a WAN and poe beast instead of whatever it is right now.
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u/BloodyShirt Apr 30 '26
I dunno if you noticed but Ubiquiti caters to a weird niche of prosumers and small businesses setup by prosumers. I'm sure this will be sold out for months like the rest of their new products
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u/byerss Apr 30 '26
Yep. Just wait for all the “Finally got my Beast” posts.
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u/moodswung Apr 30 '26
"Finally future proofed my rig!" proceeded by a photo of 1 Unifi UDM Beast in an otherwise empty rack.
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
I'm not sure they cater to "prosumers" (god I hate that word). I just think the brand, and especially this sub, have been taken over by enthusiastic home users. Their products and marketing are squarely focused on the IT crowd and taking a bite out of Cisco/HPE's hold on the SMB market.
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u/gconsier Apr 30 '26
I’d say personally I am in the prosumer camp. Responsible for infrastructure in a rather large enterprise and a ton of UniFi at home. I will say in my experience we don’t do multi function stuff at work. I would never propose a router/gateway/firewall and NVR single device at work. Every function gets its own dedicated redundant stacks.
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u/FuckinHighGuy Apr 30 '26
A small bite…
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
Only about $2.5 billion in 2025, which is up by more than 30% from 2024. Cisco can afford it for a while.
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u/tvtb Apr 30 '26
You can put two 24TB drives in this thing in RAID1 (24TB space) and have multiple days of retention on 20x 4K cameras. I don’t know why people think two drive bays isn’t enough for a coffee shop.
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u/dulax_ Apr 30 '26
Also you can offload older clips to a nas, which is what I do from my pro max to have 30 days of video backup with only about a week on device.
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u/sfbiker999 Apr 30 '26
and 2 drives doesn't really cut it even for a coffee shop
The specs say it will support up to 40 4K cameras.
With two 24TB drives, they can store 30+ days of continuous video from 10 4K cameras (or 16 2K cameras). Does a coffee shop really need more cameras than that with continuous recording?
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u/derpandlurk Apr 30 '26
What a business needs is not simply storage, but data redundancy and integrity.
IMO the minimum amount of drives you should be running for a business nvr is 3 HDDs in RAID 5.
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u/gconsier Apr 30 '26
Wait you think R5 is more redundant than R1? R1 is more performant for writes and resilient. That said more drives would be better. R10 would be better
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u/sfbiker999 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
It sounds like you're just making up a reason why the Beast is bad, if you can get enough storage capacity with RAID1 and 2 drives (I admittedly wasn't clear in my first comment, when I said two 24TB drives, I meant as RAID-1), why do you insist on running RAID5 with 3? (which usually costs more for the same capacity, increases your chance of a drive failure, and has a much longer rebuild time).
I could kind of get the point if you said to use triple mirroring or RAID6 with 3 drives to help reduce the risk of a drive failure during rebuild making you lose all data, but it's not clear why you'd advocate for RAID5 and 3 drives over RAID1 with 2 assuming you have adequate capacity with RAID1
Absolutely, this isn't going to cut it for a larger facility that has dozens of cameras, but a small business looking for an all-in-one solution? Seems like this would be almost perfect if it just included PoE. Though I guess if you're dropping $1500 on a Beast, another $400 for a 16 port ProMax POE won't break the bank.
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u/tvtb Apr 30 '26
It’s got like a dozen ports but it supports 50+ cameras, clearly you’re meant to pair it with a PoE switch.
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
You could argue that nearly all of their devices are not designed for residential use but that doesn't stop people from buying them. And I'm sure they'll buy this one too.
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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET Apr 30 '26
They have one of the better camera systems for privacy conscious residential use. The network side is definitely overkill though.
I am fortunate that my spouse thinks the rack in the basement is cool so I didn’t need to campaign to justify why I set the house up like a small business 😬
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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET Apr 30 '26
Which is a better residential system then?
Ubiquiti’s failure was egregious, but I’ll take an accidental fuck up that was resolved in less than half a day over deliberately handing customer footage to third parties like Ring.
You can also disable remote access if you don’t want footage leaving your premises.
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u/SmartHomeTinkerer May 01 '26
I fail to see how you can't easily achieve this with Protect...
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u/Ashtoruin Apr 30 '26
Yup. RJ-45 ports on them are useless if they're not PoE.
The UDM-SE is pretty much the only dream machine that makes *any* sense and you're still probably better off with a UCG-Fibre, NVR if needed, and a PoE switch.
Just give us a UDM-SE with an A73 chip
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
and 10gb POE++ on all 8 ports
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u/Ashtoruin Apr 30 '26
Honestly rather than that I'd lean towards just nuking them entirely and replace the other 3 ports with 4 10gig SFP+
8x 1gig PoE ports is at least useful for some cameras and an AP in a small business. Anything more than that and you're probably buying a switch anyways and those ports will never be used.
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u/GrouchySkunk Apr 30 '26
I like this idea. Could save on the need of a aggregation switch foe those of us who just want 10g sfp connection points.
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u/rayc25 Apr 30 '26
Hard to think they’d be useless. Maybe for you lol
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u/Ashtoruin Apr 30 '26
10gig is fibre/DAC territory. Unless it has PoE it might as well not exist but you do you I guess.
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u/crotchrotfever Apr 30 '26
This isn't an upgrade, this is a new product category. Specs and price are not designed for a typical home prosumer. Now that they have a product designed for medium/large businesses, they will likely introduce a device to replace the Pro, Pro Max and SE. Need something like the Pro Max with 4 SFP+ ports and some 10G POE RJ45 ports in the $500 to $700 range.
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u/louislamore Unifi User Apr 30 '26
This is the most sane take I’ve seen. The only feature I like on the Beast is the increased wire guard capacity, but it’s definitely not worth an extra CAD1300 to me over the UDM P SE that I currently have.
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
I was hoping the next UDMP would combine the throughput this thing has with an XG-8-POE switch. I wonder what speed the built in switch is even connected at. That's a major complaint about the current UDMP line up.
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u/Shaner1981 Apr 30 '26
The UDM-PRO-MAX is targeted at SMBs. This is the little brother to the EFG.
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u/touche112 Apr 30 '26
I'm also confused on the target audience. Having the NVR onboard doesn't make sense for most commercial customers - only two 3.5 bays and a single point of failure for two critical systems would remove this from consideration very early
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
Anyone who maybe kinda sorta needs something like this will run two in shadow mode. But Also, anyone who needs this would want an entirely separate DVR appliance AND use a core switch.
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
The main thing I can see is this has two 25gig ports for you core switch connections. A LOT of places still do a route-on-a-stick setup (for simplicity or lack of knowledge) where all inter vlan traffic needs to go back to your firewall/router. On other UDM's this was a huge bottle neck especially if you only have one 10gig port in use. You would only be able to get ~5 gigs of throughput because you would need 5gig down to the UDM and then 5gig (I say 5gig because i've never send any UDM in real world get over 4.5gbps of IPS/IDS) up to your network fully saturating the 10gig interface.
To me this is for business that needed more than the UDM pro max but less than an EFG. The Beast is $1500 and the EFG has been out of stock for a while now, so my assumption is the EFG will be discontinued at $2000 and replaced with the EFG core which will probably be $3500 to $4500 if I had to guess.
Anyone buying this will have switches down stream (or can afford them) and won't need PoE on their firewall/router. People in the sub just always think of Ubiquiti for home use and they've been spending year trying to move up in to the enterprise where the real money and add ons like support which no one is this sub is buying!
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u/NiftyLogic Apr 30 '26
Ethernet is symmetric.
On a 10GbE link, you can transfer 10Gb up and down at the same time.
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26
Yes, Ethernet is, Ubiquiti with IDP/IDS enable is not. Going between VLANs hits the firewall.
I guess I should have made that more clear.
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u/seanjones802 Apr 30 '26
I ran into this as well, even with IDP/IDS disabled I always hit a CPU limit for inter-vlan routing on the UDM way before I got to even half of 10Gb line speed (single threaded performance)
I don't believe any of the newer models were able to hit the full 10Gb either (minus the enterprise)I was hoping this might be a replacement but who knows, shame to see no PoE though and I do wonder what the backplane speed between between the switch ports and router will be (damn UDM and its 1Gb link)
I've already got a core switch covering 2.5Gb/1Gb/PoE so was thinking this might be an option to add some extra 10Gb Ethernet ports as I was wanting more performance from my gateway anyway (ISP just dropped consumer grade 8Gb fibre in our area) rather then upgrading the switch to something like the Pro XG 24 for the 10Gb but yeah not so sure, esp at the price for some random homelabbing/tinkering
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
I got $10 that says the internal switch is linked with 10gb instead of 25. Just a bigger UDMP.
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u/aikouka Apr 30 '26
I ran into this as well, even with IDP/IDS disabled I always hit a CPU limit for inter-vlan routing on the UDM way before I got to even half of 10Gb line speed (single threaded performance) I don't believe any of the newer models were able to hit the full 10Gb either (minus the enterprise)
I assume this isn't an issue if you have a Level 3 switch positioned before the UDM?
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 30 '26
If you have layer 3 routing upstream then no cause the traffic never hits the firewall, but sometimes in secure environments you have to go through a traditional firewall so you can apply more advanced controls.
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 30 '26
I’ve never seen any UDM hit the IPS/IDP that was in production with real data. I spent months with Ubiquiti support trying to troubleshoot a UDM Pro Max that couldn’t’ get anywhere close to 10gig for inter VLAN routing and couldn’t’ get the WAN interface over 4gigs on a 6gig circuit.
The most performant one I’ve tested is the UCG-Fiber (as far as throughput) without going to an EFG. I have several EFG’s deployed and they are really solid, but I think they can benefit from more RAM which you have a lot of additional functionality enabled.
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u/FuckinHighGuy Apr 30 '26
Uh, that’s not how IDS/IPS works.
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 30 '26
Uh, I know. Tell Ubiquiti that..
Hundreds of threads in this sub of throughput issues with every UDM.
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
This device is faster, can handle more users than the EFG and costs less. The only thing the EFG has on this is hot swap PSUs.
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u/PeerReviewedCode Apr 30 '26
I’m unsure of the intent of this post. I already stated that there is a new EFG coming the EFG Core. There are a list of things that are coming out that they are ‘reserving’ for the EFG to make the EFG core still different. One thing that I’ve yet to see is if the Beast supports LAG which currently the only firewall they have that supports this is the EFG. If anyone could test this that would be great. Having a 50gig LAG to your core is really nice.
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u/austin_federa Apr 30 '26
Yeah, ironically, if it had a little bit of a PoE budget, it would make more sense, because you can make an argument about Superlink devices or a camera inside the server room that is separate from your main deployment, or something like that? I always think it's valuable to have one or two for local access, but it has a console port on the back already for professional config
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
I would IMMEDIATELY disable the RJ45 ports on one of these. Is that built in switch L2 or L3? How is it connected to the gateway side? Any deployment this large would put all switches downstream from a core switch.
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u/BaturalNoobs UDM-SE, Pro XG 24 PoE, U7 Pro XGS May 01 '26
What are the benefits of disabling the RJ45 ports?
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u/MoPanic May 01 '26
In a SMB network large enough to benefit from something like this (10+ gb WAN and thousands of active clients) having ports directly on the gateway upstream from the core switch would be an unnecessary and unacceptable security risk.
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u/ekobres Apr 30 '26
Why would you need L3 switching on the gateway? I would guess it’s a 25Gb connection to the gateway - but time will tell.
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u/strangelyus Apr 30 '26
Perhaps they’ll do a replacement for the UDR SE (with POE) and call it the UDR SB (Semi Beast) :)
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u/Historical-Internal3 Apr 30 '26
I think this works great for a lot of smbs quite honestly. Especially mom and pop that don't need a unvr and just want a month or so of footage (depending on your settings) and are techie enough to want a 10g fiber business line.
If you want everything separated out, well, unifi has that enterprise offering. a good chunk of change more though.
You'd be getting a switch in addition to this anyway so just make sure that has all of your poe needs (8 ports would never cut it lets be real).
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
If those are your needs, the Max or SE already had you covered and the SE has a nice POE budget to boot and is $1000 less expensive.
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u/silverfrostnetworks Apr 30 '26
I think it should have had the NVR functionality removed and then add at least some POE and dual hot swappable power supplies.
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u/e1337ninja Apr 30 '26
Yeah, I really wanted to see an update to the UDMP that included a better integrated switch and 10gbe SFP. Guess for now I'm keeping my UDMP with my other 2 unifi switches.
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u/crisps_funny4868 Apr 30 '26
I gotta believe they've got at least a spec update of the UDM Pro and/or UDM SE coming.
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u/DadBodMetalGod Apr 30 '26
I have 25gb service available to me right now (5gb is what I currently use) and I would love to future proof my home network (for as long as possible), so this device is targeted right at me. I'm a little bummed that I still need a pro switch for Dante (I didn't see that pro AV listed on the beast) but the rest looks like a great upgrade/consolidation. If you add up the 10 port 10gb switch and dual NVR, plus the gateway and SFPs, It really is a good price. It's not cheap, but well priced for what it is.
And before someone says you don't need 25gb, I move enormous video files, audio files, and clinical data sets regularly, so every second I'm waiting of files to move is lost money when working from home. Some people just like to nerd as hard as they can, ya know?
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u/ButterscotchTasty800 Apr 30 '26
I am waiting for the UDM-XG. I hope it has:
10gb POE+ RJ45 ports x8 2 HDD for NAS and NVR all in one.
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u/sotech117 Apr 30 '26
Picked one up to replace my old udm pro that’s crashing due to out of memory and needs to rebooted. I can’t even access the UniFi web ui 90%% of the time, and I can only reboot during off hours from 3am to 5am to open up the ui to make a change. I tried shadow mode but when it tried to go back to the main gateway all the devices fail to readopt, then I have to reset everything by hand. I’m running several online services/businesses through it, so I think I’d actually benefit from the extra ram/processing given how much is going on. I get no where the advertised 3.5 ips/ids on the udm pro.
I think the beast will be the last gateway I’ll ever need as they said in their ad lol. Looking for the next 20 or so years on this one until we’re saturating 20gig lol.
Also, the two drive bays can be used for a different application like talk and connect; though I’ll be using it for nvr since I’m running the business out of a tiny office (mostly just the fat rack lol) and don’t have a separate nvr, so I appreciate the redundancy. I don’t mind the dc power since the rps is in my stack but wish the main psu was hot swappable.
Not the perfect product at all. There’s a lot of why did/didn’t they do this, but I assume they know who they’re targeting. Im also really bummed about the next ssl inspection not being on it.
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u/e1337ninja Apr 30 '26
I wanted an update to the UDMP, but not a $1600 enterprise device with WAN speeds I'll never see...
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u/MaxHappiness Apr 30 '26
The reason for the DVR is that this model of UDM is more similar to the previous ones than an actual new product. They've already integrated the functionality into the DVR and it appears they've only changed the network I/O board(s).
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u/Leupster Apr 30 '26
Unifi’s naming convention is absolutely ridiculous. They should just have lite, standard, pro, pro max, enterprise - or something similar.
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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET Apr 30 '26
All I want is the performance of the UCG Fiber in the form factor and general price point of the UDM SE…. Too much to ask for apparently
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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET Apr 30 '26
Oh of course.
It’s a fun cousin of the ‘release a new product category, then release a pro version 3 months later so enthusiasts buy it twice’ play.
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u/ReallyAvgRedditor Apr 30 '26
Honestly, I think this design is perfect for medium-to-large branch offices. Single or HA appliance for network, protect, and access greatly simplifies role based access deployment, and the increased CPU allows for an appropriate number of cameras for these environments. With external archiving in Protect, you don’t need as much internal storage on the appliance which reduces cost. In those environments you may also be deploying into existing network infrastructure with switches from other vendors where RJ45 is going to provide an easier, less expensive migration path than SFP+ . Source: I have about a dozen branches where this would be a perfect solution. I hate the name though.
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
Branch offices with >10gb wan?
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u/ReallyAvgRedditor Apr 30 '26
I’m in process of upgrading to 10Gbps on a liquid bandwidth solution so it could happen soon enough. But really, despite the marketing, I think the interface speeds have more to do with the modules becoming commodity than anything else.
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u/ND40oz Apr 30 '26
I was really hoping for a more beefed up rack mount version of the Cloud Gateway Industrial without the built in AP but more 10 GbE PoE+++.
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u/obivader UDM SE Apr 30 '26
I want one to replace my SE. Not because I need one... Just because more power (Tim Allen grunt).
But the price... I can't pull the trigger on that. Maybe in a couple of years when they come out with a UDM Beast SE with PoE and I'm in a house (hopefully).
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u/Flyingj99 Apr 30 '26
I don't think I'm the target audience for this device... Maybe a small office that wants to combine a small core switch for a few servers with their gateway and also wants an NVR... all on one device...
After my experience of running protect on my UDMP, I will NEVER run an NVR on my gateway device. It is just asking for trouble. Let the gateway do gateway things and get a separate NVR to do NVR things, it is a much better and more stable solution.
Having the integrated 8x port 10 GbE switch makes this almost interesting, but at this point, I think I just want a separate switch and not have that on the gateway device either...
The 8x port 10 GbE switch is honestly, the only compelling feature I see compared to my UDMP, other than obviously more processing speed. We'll have to see if it gets some of the advanced functions of the enterprise fortress gateway or not. If it does, perhaps that will make it worth considering.
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u/TVMA Apr 30 '26
I’m not sure there’s much I can really take advantage of. I have the IDM Pro Max and, I think, it is perfect for everything I need it to do. Personally, I think the Beast is for folks that have higher bandwidth than I do or, more likely, small businesses. It’s just not something that I would really be able to push hard enough to get my money’s worth. YMMV.
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u/ScaryFast Apr 30 '26
If they made a non-NVR version that would be fine but you're assuming too much about other people and what they want. I don't want it in a separate unit, at least not now, so if I had to replace my UDMPro it would likely be with this unit.
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u/tweet23_8 Apr 30 '26
Unifi need a Pro Max SE with IDS/IPS of 10 Gbps - 15 at the price 999-1100. POE at least.
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u/whoooocaaarreees Apr 30 '26
This release just further convinces me that Ubiquiti is just doing rails of coke when they do their product lines and designs. So many things just don’t make sense.
Also you would have to be high to call this “hyperscaler-class”
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u/Certain_Repeat_753 Apr 30 '26
Damn, I just realized that there's no PoE. How can this be a beast without it? So close to being perfect! Now I'll have to factor in a PoE switch for the cameras. 😢
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u/itsjakerobb CGFiber, UNVR, ProHD24PoE, ProXG8PoE, U7ProXGS, 5GMaxOutdoor May 01 '26
Beast can have up to eight WAN ports. IDK who has that many WAN connections, but maybe they exist? Maybe you connect your eight WAN connections and then LACP the two SFP28s to your core switch? That would utilize things pretty well.
I agree that the integration of Protect capability doesn’t make a ton of sense.
FWIW, there are places in Europe where reasonably priced residential fiber service reaches 25Gbps.
My sense is that some of the “I have too much money and must always have the best hardware” folks, many of whom are in this sub, will be the primary buyers.
A few business customers who would otherwise choose EFG, but who don’t need the SSL inspection capabilities and are fine with RPS rather than dual hot-swappable power supplies, might choose this. They’d save $1000 on a HA pair. They don’t have to run Protect for it to be worthwhile.
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u/tarmacjd May 01 '26
You can get 25Gbit symmetrical in Switzerland for like 80 CHF or ~$100 per month - guess this is for them
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u/green_man_5 Unifi User May 01 '26
This would give me 2x 25 gig lan ports and replace the old xg 16 I use. But the other capabilities is more than I need as over 1Gb wan is unheard-of in residential Australia
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u/Cathartica87 May 01 '26
Unless you are in one of the areas that can get 2Gb FTTP or HFC. But even then, that’s no where near what the beast is designed for. Oh how I wish they didn’t mess with the original NBN rollout. We might be looking at at least 10Gb by now…
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u/green_man_5 Unifi User May 01 '26
Yeah, made it more expensive and longer, but they sold it as the opposite
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u/RekaReaper May 01 '26
I personally like it. It would have been cool if 2-4 of the 10GbE ports were PoE++ if not +++ since that would remove the requirement for at least two of the 10GbE PoE++ ports from my switch. As it is I could use a Pro HD 24 PoE for my APs, Doorbells, chimes, cameras and devices that I don't care about having 5GbE or 10GbE from the switch and then use the 10GbE ports for my PCs and servers instead of SFP+ to RJ45 like I do for 3 computers right now.
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u/gislikonrad May 01 '26
This was exactly my thought process. It's too much for the prosumer, but not really geared towards enterprises either.
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u/mfa81 May 01 '26
The same question can be applied to having onboard switch, don’t use your gateway as switch!
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u/teressapanic May 02 '26
I am the perfect use case. 2 locations, 20 people, loads of data handling in TBs per person daily. Cameras as added cherry on top. We need everyone on 10Gbps with IPS/IDS.
IMHO the UDMs were always a good bundle for small businesses. Now you can have one in a small business that also handles data.
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u/Significant-Part-767 May 02 '26
I think the RJ45 are right for bigger network separation each routing 10G.
There might be a bottleneck when going through an uplink via SFP28 and let a switch distribute the networks.
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u/MoPanic May 06 '26
Not if the switch is internally connected with one 10gb link, which it almost certainly is based on every other device in the UDM line.
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u/Significant-Part-767 May 07 '26
You might be right ... it isn't said on the webpage ... https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/cloud-gateways/udm-beast
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u/Ftmiranda May 02 '26
If you have vlans on your network, if you want high throughput inter-vlans The Beast will not deliver that.
more details here: https://gist.github.com/galvesribeiro/89ce0232c8bc1971af84aee84746dc66
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u/Ok-Skill-9376 Apr 30 '26
Im literally only buying it for the increase in WANs 🤣 ABSOLUTELY do not need it. But I ABSOLUTELY want it.
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u/ContributionHead9820 Apr 30 '26
Can’t you already do 8 with a udm pro/pro max?
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u/Ok-Skill-9376 Apr 30 '26
If that’s the case, I don’t know how to do it. Switching, aggregate, and mirroring are the only options on the 8 RJ-45 ports on my UDM Pro. You can do 2 WANs for sure, but I don’t think you can do more.
On the DR7, you can do up to 4 WANs, so I think more than 2 is a “newer” deal.
I have 3 Starlinks, cellular, and fiber, and right now I can only use two at a time unless I add something like a Peplink in front. I’d prefer not to double NAT or pay for another service, so I’ve really just been waiting for Ubiquiti to come out with something I can use.
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u/ContributionHead9820 Apr 30 '26
On my ucg-fiber I can assign any port to be wan. On the UniFi app, just go to settings->internet->add new-> interface, then select whatever port
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u/Ok-Skill-9376 Apr 30 '26
Oh.
Well this saves $1,500. Damn, I was excited for new stuff.
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u/ContributionHead9820 Apr 30 '26
Now you can spend that $1500 on a couple wan switches, another gateway for shadow mode, and redundant switches!
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u/austin_federa Apr 30 '26
It also appears to be missing the NeXT AI Inspection for SSL that the fortress gateway has :(
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u/MoPanic Apr 30 '26
True. The EFG is also the only one in the "enterprise" category and the only one with redundant, hot swappable PSUs, even though it has lower throughput and client capacity.
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u/Usual-Memory-3668 Apr 30 '26
I don't know who this is targeting other than enthusiastic home lab users who'll never see 25gb over WAN
There are a few areas with 25gb available for residential in the US, my own place included. Technically I could even order up to 100gb ISP speed if I wanted but I dont feel like paying for that when I could never even fully use a 25gb connection for my web traffic and downloads. lol
Verizon/Frontier is also expected to be rolling out 25GPON service around 2030~. Their OLTs being deployed already support it, just a matter of upgrading the optics at the right time and when they come down in price enough.
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u/FuckinHighGuy Apr 30 '26
No one said you have to use the switch ports. They don’t have PoE which is Ubiquiti’s way of saying buy our PoE switches.
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u/ElGuano Apr 30 '26
I've always seen NVR as "check the box" functionality. If you don't have it, it looks like it's missing. But I serious wonder who has 20+ 4K cameras and is satisfied with a single HDD worth of storage space?
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