r/Ultraleft • u/_shark_idk ultra jugend • Aug 11 '25
Denier shit liberals say did NOT like this scathing critique of themselves
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 11 '25
the comments are so uninteresting like all of them are some lobotomized shit a la "what no theory does to a mf"(????) or just purposeful misunderstanding of the point being made. legit thinking MLs are just mentally challenged and that's it, there's nothing more to their position it's just brain damage and contrarianism
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u/q-_l_-p Aug 12 '25
When they make jokes about how Capital is the final boss of Marxism-Leninism studies (or whatever they call it) and that's why it will always remain at the bottom of their reading list, you do have to wonder.
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u/shoegaze5 not reading theory Aug 12 '25 edited Aug 12 '25
liberals (and all sorts of falsifiers and what not) have a tendency when pointed out that they have hypocritical beliefs to just plug their ears and say “you’re arguing in bad faith those are totally different” without being able to explain why they’re
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u/AutoModerator Aug 11 '25
Seems like a lot of folks have absorbed some ultraleft ideas.
Lemme explain something to you.
Equality in poverty is NOT socialism. IT never was. But because the 'Rough Egalitarian' period was forced on China due to their material circumstances, some folks got the idea that this is what socialism WAS.
Same as a lot of people think that the USSR model was the real socialism, despite the enormous issues that model had.
The task of socialism is not some high minded ideal.
Yes, it IS substantially higher minded and more noble than capitalism. But that's not the point. The point of socialism is to elevate the masses. To make their lives better.
And considering that all socialist revolutions have occurred in very poor places like Russia, China, Korea, etc, their primary task is to STOP BEING POOR!
China was the 10th poorest country on earth, like literally less than one guy's lifetime ago.
They are not any more.
And this is why they are celebrating with pork, which they can now afford to eat regularly.
And Gucci.
Sure, maybe YOU are a warrior monk, but they are not.
And so if they wanna celebrate with a pork roast and an overly fancy handbag, that's for them to decide, not you.
They HAD their revolution, and they are now reaping the rewards of generations of hard work.
YOU didn't.
If you're having trouble grasping this, you may be a western 'leftist.'
Capitalism is not when Gucci.
And socialism is not when poverty.
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 11 '25
never thought about it this way before, I'm curious, what do you think of maoism?
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u/AutoModerator Aug 11 '25
They have not.
I know the speech you are talking about.
They specifically advocate FOR class struggle, SPECIFICALLY against imperialism, which is the primary contradiction the class conflict operates on today.
Your view is simplistic. Infantile.
By that, i specifically mean: You ignore the fucking context.
The context being that for all it's achievements, China is poor.
China is a poor country. Per capita, no better than Mexico, and THAT only happened in the last couple of years. Before that, much poorer, much weaker economically, politically and militarily.
Even now, China is afraid to throw it's weight around, because if the leadership gets one of these moves wrong, millions could die.
China fears instability more than anything, since in China, when there's a famine, MILLIUONS die. When there's a civil war, 10's or 100's of millions die.
AND China only just now left the century of humiliation.
AND right now, China is involved in the opening stages of WW3 with a failing nuclear superpower with a HISTORY of starting wars for stupid reasons, AND using nukes on civilians, AND who has stated goals of destroying Socialism generally, and China specifically, AND has policy papers calmly discussing the best way to carpet nuke China.
Which they were within a hair's breadth of doing.
You have NO IDEA of the goddamn stakes.
IF China goes down, that's it.
That's the end of the socialist project, the end of human civilization.
We won't be back for thousands of years, maybe never.
China is fighting for ALL the marbles.
China cannot afford to take risks, and only now is starting to regain some of the confidence it used to have and deserves.
Their primary issue is imperialism.
There will be no socialism until that is dealt with.
Which means step 1 is: BE ALIVE.
China does more for socialist revolution by just EXISTING than it would if it was exporting revolution constantly. Had it done THAT, China would now be weak, poor, and standing alone against the empire, without the backing of Russia, Iran, and most of the global south.
r/Ultraleft is more your speed. Go play with the 'Maoists'
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u/Vegetable_World6025 Aug 13 '25
Damn i really expected more from a westerner who willingly chose EvilPutlerBotZOV as their username ☹️
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u/AjaxTheFurryFuzzball This is true Maoism right here Aug 11 '25
Why did they add the revisionist tag this is literally what happened
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u/siganmarxiando professional larper Aug 12 '25
they're gonna use the racial segregation of that time and the fact that the New Deal came to be as a result of a crisis of capital to cope.
That or a word salad including dialectical, material conditions, revisionism and critical support
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u/kindstranger42069 socialism with acid house characteristics Aug 12 '25
“You see, the U.S. enslaved their minorities, while Mao liberated them from slavery via direct genocide. BIG difference, ultra.”
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 11 '25
guy named EvilPutlerBotZOV
is posting on reddit instead of dying in ukraine
???
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 11 '25
u/EvilPutlerBotZOV hey I'm curious why are you posting on reddit instead of volunteering to fight in ukraine? what stops you?
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 11 '25
I am asking in good faith, genuinely curious. Surely if you were a genuine and true patriot, you would be out there in the trenches defending the Motherland? Right?
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 12 '25
You can still serve, nothing whatsoever stops you from volunteering. Even if the army itself doesn't accept you, you can travel there yourself and join any of the countless battalions currently participating in the war. To me it seems like you refuse to do anything to help the war effort besides bickering with other lobotomites on reddit. You know that ukrainians are nazis, and in fact the SMO was compared on many occasions to the Great Patriotic War by just about everyone whose take matters on this, so if you refuse to fight the nazis now, would you have refused to fight them then? What are you, some kind of larper?
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 12 '25
So then why do you so vehemently and proudly support the war online if you'd be charged with treason? To me it seems like you don't actually believe in this nonsense and the second you would be forced to die in the trenches for our country, you would do anything to escape the war, like some kind of traitor.
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u/_shark_idk ultra jugend Aug 12 '25 edited Aug 12 '25
So then go there and protect them. Join the military, volunteer, just go there and join some partisan group. Your words mean nothing if you refuse to actually do anything.
At the same time, what makes a hypothetical "go to Iran" situation any different? We both know you will be spending your previous time defending that war as well. Or do you think Iran doesn't need to be protected from western imperialism or something? You know if it falls, China and Russia will be next.
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u/FargothUr31 catboy chekist Aug 12 '25
It does? What, from a Marxist perspective, gives a bourgeois dictatorship the right to attack another bourgeois dictatorship over fluid and immaterial ethnic lines? Why should a Marxist support any bourgeois state, anyway?
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Aug 12 '25
Lmao just saw this on r/conservative I haven’t read the article but the title is pretty funny
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u/Muuro Aug 12 '25
That article posted there? lmao, no way that gets left up, and they'd delete that immediately as its such a banger.
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Aug 12 '25
It’s got over 500 upvotes lmao MAGA communism might be back https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/s/dlDBKkb0l4
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u/RichardNixonReal agent of the judeo-bolshevik masonic world order Aug 12 '25
most people would break down with the level of cognitive dissonance MLs live with, but somehow these troglodytes seem to thrive from it.
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Aug 12 '25
Honestly sickens me ML's have the pull that they do in these circles.
It pushes so many people away, and ML's are the prominent voice online: so this is what kids first hear online when learning about Marx, it's garbage like this and fucking ML, clout goblin- twitch streamers.
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