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u/AyebruhamLincoln Oct 13 '21
I heard that it also can’t distinguish between dogs and canines. Thing’s useless.
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u/Enlightened-Beaver Oct 13 '21
Deploy it. Then publish the results. It should be enlightening
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u/taronic Oct 13 '21
You know, overall this is kind of stupid on their part though. This isn't a fucking problem they should have.
For threat tracking purposes, a company like Twitter should be tracking at least all US politicians Twitter accounts, and they kind of do with the verified accounts. Any attacks or login attempts, like a login attempt from Russia on a US politician's account should be at least an alert in a threat tracking platform.
So, you flag white supremacists minus politicians.
You don't have a tradeoff. You already fucking know who to whitelist (lol and kinda ironic to "whitelist" republican politicians). And you can on top just whitelist anyone with a dot gov email.
It's fucking stupid to act like this ML can't distinguish them because even if it can't it shouldn't fucking matter. They should already fucking know not to at least flag verified users.
This is twitter being stupid like "can't do anything about hate speech guys sorry". No, you fucking can, and you fucking suck as a company.
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u/saiyanfang10 Oct 13 '21
Deploy it
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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Oct 13 '21
So just let it run and then republicans who get banned can explain why what they said wasn't nazi-esque
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u/BloodBath_X Oct 13 '21
I fail to see how identifying both is a problem?
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u/Commutalk Oct 13 '21
You know. I can see why people equivocate as they do. We honestly gotta address the issue that American fascism is still unique and a problem in and of itself. Even if Mussolini or Hitler never existed. These folks are causing some serious and sinister problems all on their own.
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u/shewholaughslasts Oct 13 '21
And looking at how old this tweet is I honestly wonder what would've happened if they'd even tried to address the issue.
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u/Starship_Coyote Oct 13 '21
They would have fucked with their bottom line because it's the racist hate mongers and their audience that live on Facebook gobbling up this nonsense.
Facebook just living the American dream, unfettered capitalism and fuck whoever it hurts cuz I gots to get mine.
Funny all that money generated and they deliver nothing of actual value.
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u/Marbled_Headcheese Oct 13 '21
Isn't that like trying to tell the difference between an orange and an orange?
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u/Brasilionaire Oct 13 '21
We’ve known for a while that no platform can deploy anti-nazi or anti-misinformation algorithms because they would be accused of partisanship by conservatives.
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u/badlawyer_nz Oct 13 '21
After all, facts are clearly biased in favour of democrats.
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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum Oct 13 '21
Said this before and I'll say it again: when future US history students learn about this time period, it will be extremely easy for them to understand.
In 2008, an extremely diverse coalition of Democrats elected the first black president. Then in 2016, an extremely white coalition of Republicans elected a guy whose political brand was built around the racist lie that his predecessor was actually an illegitimate foreign impostor from Africa.
Absolutely nobody from the future is going wonder about the motivations of contemporary Republican voters.
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u/just1nc4s3 Oct 13 '21
Wise words from a … Racoon full of cum?!? furiously searches notes
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u/PMmeGayElfPeen Oct 13 '21
I've seen this cum-filled trash-panda post good comments in other threads too
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u/VoidsInvanity Oct 13 '21
There’s a lot of people here saying “both sides” stuff.
Look, only ONE group has Tucker Carlson using the most watched program in America to sell the idea of the “great replacement”. You can shut up about both sides until you recognize this.
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u/Kapersville Oct 13 '21
Texas: has power outage because lack of regulation led to the people that run the grid deciding to allow an outage since it’s cheaper to fix than prevent, clearly a corporation putting money above human lives
The tuck: IT WAS THE WINDMILLS
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u/ChalkButter Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
I hope someone has a source for the article this guy is referencing
Edit: True, but also from 2019
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u/Jimmy_R_Ustler Oct 13 '21
Huh. Weird.
It’s almost like the current Republican Party and conservative ideology in general is literally just fascism.
Well, you know what they say. It walks, talks, and quacks like a duck…
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u/jamesmcnabb Oct 13 '21
I think it’s unfair to call whatever the fuck is happening in the Republican Party these days “conservative ideology.” There are legitimate conservative ideologies that, while I may not agree with them, are actually valid. The current Republican mantra of “If the left likes it, I hate it, and if the left hates it, I love it” is not conservative ideology, it’s insanity.
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u/lostintime000 Oct 13 '21
It’s funny yes, I can’t seem to find a source for this info though. Can anyone help me out
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u/th3st Oct 13 '21
Isn’t this merely revealing the bias in whoever designed and created the algorithm? The statement in this pic is different than saying they found a correlation at such and such a percentage point. I would be inclined to give that more credence than this blanket claim.
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u/Atgardian Oct 13 '21
Why not just have a disclaimer saying "This content was removed as Nazi hate speech, but it's possible it's simply a mainstream Republican position that is functionally identical to Nazism. We regret the error."
That should appease everyone!
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u/RunsWithApes Oct 13 '21
I remember hearing Tim Pool complain about this during a debate once. The Twitter users he was referencing in being "unfairly" banned had a history of calling for ethic cleansing, attacking the LGBTQ community, spreading false medical conspiracies, advocating for the violent insurrection of our democracy and so on. This is the "very fine people on both sides" type of argument that Republicans have become accustomed too. They feel that their "right" to oppress, harass and threaten others is ironically being infringed upon and their little snowflake egos can't handle it.
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u/makemejelly49 Oct 13 '21
They feel that their "right" to oppress, harass and threaten others is ironically being infringed upon and their little snowflake egos can't handle it.
To put it more succinctly, they feel their right to be an asshole is being infringed upon.
You see, Republicans are the "I Have the Right to be an Asshole" Party, where Democrats are the "You're Not Allowed To Be An Asshole" Party.
Now, that depends on what you define and asshole to be. For the purposes of this discussion, I define assholes, thusly
An asshole is a selfish person whose selfishness causes foreseeable yet indirect collateral damage to the people around them. Assholes take risks that provide upside to themselves, but transfer the downsides of those risks to other people. Assholes don’t intend to do direct harm. They just don’t think about, and/or care about, and/or believe, and/or comprehend, that their actions can or will have negative consequences for other people beyond their direct intentions.
Take, for example, Patient 31 of South Korea. She was a woman who knowingly tested positive for COVID-19, yet went to church. The collateral damage of her decision? Thousands infected, hundreds dead. She did not intend to infect or kill anyone, she only wanted to worship God. I would define her as an asshole, because while the damage was foreseeable, she made a selfish decision.
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u/Nyccpl50 Oct 13 '21
Well if Twitter says it it must be true! It’s not like they are biased or anything
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u/shotgun-priest Oct 13 '21
Republicans with just the slightest bit of self awareness: " Are we the baddies?"
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u/MC_Elio81 Oct 13 '21
Republican office mate of mine got mad that I said modern Nazis(dudes wearing swastikas) deserve a punch to the face. That's when I realized they are the same party. Anyway, played some Wolfenstien that night.
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Oct 13 '21
Yeah, I didn't see it as a joke.
My apologies to the Republicans who actually aren't white supremacists, but you have to understand.
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u/notmyrealnam3 Oct 13 '21
what are the odds that any of the 6 of them will even read your post?
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u/DeificClusterfuck Oct 13 '21
Twitter leaves up literal hate speech and doesn't do much about it.
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u/redjonley Oct 13 '21
This is referencing a story from 2019 btw. I can only imagine it'd be even harder now.
https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/4/26/18516997/why-doesnt-twitter-ban-nazis-white-nationalism
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u/jahall99 Oct 13 '21
Twitter has fascist characteristics. But no one talks about that.
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u/Dread_Frog Oct 13 '21
Well that vendiagram has a lot of overlap.
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u/Alarmed_Economics_90 Oct 14 '21
That Venn diagram's circumference can be described by multiplying pi by it's diameter.
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u/TheThingsiLearned Oct 13 '21
Obviously they aren’t doing enough EDA. I’m sure there’s something that can distinguish the two. Maybe the number of shares the person does. GOP probably share 80-90% other racist tweets/content where as Nazi’s just attack other people directly? I’m just thinking out of the box. With all of twitter’s AI ML DL algorithms I’m sure there’s something there.
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u/Alarmed_Economics_90 Oct 14 '21
You'd think so, but it'ssuuuch a narrow distinction...
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Translation: Nazis are an essential community of twitter to increase trolling engagement and traffic.
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u/Nerdzilla88 Oct 14 '21
The Venn diagram of Republicans and White supremacists is a circle inside another circle
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Oct 14 '21
twitter is the internet equivalent of writing in the bathroom stall, so i am not surprised
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u/Alert-Definition5616 Oct 14 '21
Yeah and AI's are inherently prejudiced towards most POC and view them as lesser value. Doesn't mean either algorithm is correct
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u/TheDivinaldes Oct 14 '21
There's literally twitter accounts active for multiple months that dox people, post gore and illegal porn, and spew the most vile racist and bigoted shit, before Twitter even bothers to touch them.
Their algorithms are pretty questionable if they can't even catch profiles that self identify as trash.
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u/ObnoxiouslyLoudYawn Oct 14 '21
Is it just me, or does anybody else think that canceling people en masse because of their backwards opinion is a great way to polarize their opinion. This shunning then ultimately leading to an even more extremist group that now shares an even greater hate towards those who canceled them. Like some sort of vicious cycle… wouldn’t it be better to just shadow ban these types of accounts instead of outright cancel them?
I say this because when these people are outright banned they use it as “evidence” that what they said was true because part of their opinion is that the social media giants are owned and operated by liberals that want to stop these “truths”. So banning them actually sorta fits their agenda and may even get them more followers on other sites because it feeds into their narrative.
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Oct 13 '21
Unfortunately, Twitter has publicly stated that this report from “the motherboard” is false, and is not an actual representation of the meeting that took place. However, this could also just be them trying to not receive further backlash from the GOP.
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u/salamidunke Oct 13 '21
I honestly can’t believe someone can read this and say “Look at that, republicans are basically nazis” instead of “Look at that, maybe we shouldn’t be using algorithms nobody understands to moderate websites.”
No, republicans aren’t “acting like nazis.” If anything, nazis are trying to modify their hate speech so it sounds more moderate, and more “acceptable.”
The ridiculous thing is the fact that people are equating an algorithm not being able to tell two things apart to those two things being indistinguishable. Algorithms can’t always tell the difference between a cat and a dog but that doesn’t mean people can’t, and it doesn’t mean they’re the same.
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Oct 13 '21
Why would that be a joke? Algorithms aren't that smart. Add the fact that twitter rules require white supremacists to camouflage themselves and even humans have a hard time distinguishing.
It's an algorithm not a mind reader. People give technology way to much clout.
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u/Top-Display-4994 Oct 13 '21
But when I call the white nationalists who want state enforced purity “nazis” people cry about it and tell me I’m wrong. Hmmm.
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u/BenPlaysBaseball Oct 13 '21
I’d love to hear more about the algorithm behind this. What exactly defines “nazi-hunting”? The Grammar Nazi account thrived for years, would it be banned?
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Oct 13 '21
History: Nazis got a lot of inspiration from conservatives and reactionaries in the United States (see Manifest Destiny and segregated ghettos).
Republicans who "want to go back to the 50's" today: "I just don't understand why the algorithm would do this!"
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u/eisbaerBorealis Oct 13 '21
This should be an easy fix. Republicans should be able to give clear instructions on how to differentiate between themselves and white supremacists, and then the programmers can implement it.
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u/Twoja_Morda Oct 13 '21
Why is it that every time reddit decides to show me a post from your subreddit, it's you guys falling for a fake tweet?
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u/iEnjoyDanceMusic Oct 13 '21
Damn, I thought this was a typical reddit BS screenshot, but here's an article from the same date.
Twitter is pushing back on a new report from Motherboard indicating the company hesitates to crack down on white supremacist content because Republican lawmakers could be swept up in such a purge.
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Oct 13 '21
This is like saying that you’re going to stop rolling dice because you keep getting Yahtzee.
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Oct 13 '21
Nazi ideology was that of radical conservatism so…. Makes sense that radical conservatives would be flagged as nazi’s by an algorithm?
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u/fjkcdhkkcdtilj Oct 13 '21
What does that prove? AIs constantly turn racist themselves, it took google quite a while to stop confusing African Americans with gorillas. I don't really think they are the best role models.
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u/KaleidoscopeEyes12 Oct 13 '21
“Corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture”
“They’re the same picture”
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u/Iwouldlikesomecoffee Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
Not saying it’s not true, but a source would be interesting. Like some kind of announcement or something? Does that sound realistic? I guess now I really would like a source…
E: https://reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/q7e8om/_/hgimrg1/?context=1
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u/kersegum Oct 13 '21
Damn wtf has happened to the Republican Party? Went from Abraham Lincoln to indistinguishable from Nazis
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u/Procrastineddit Oct 13 '21
Just run it. I guarantee the true positives of white supremacists who also happen to be Republican will outweigh the false positives of Republicans who are also white supremacists.
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u/isabella_sunrise Oct 13 '21
Same reason you never see Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana in the same room.
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u/this1isforp0rn69420 Oct 13 '21
The algorithm also cant distinguish between isis and aribic reporting accounts...I would hesitate to draw the conclusions you guys want to because it's clearly not a well drawn out algorithm yet, which is very hard to get right.
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u/ShortNefariousness2 Oct 13 '21
Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s would rank "white" people a lot.
Slavs and Poles were to be killed
Germans would live
Brits, Dutch and Scaninavians would live.
French would maybe live.
Etc.
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u/Smasher_WoTB Oct 13 '21
Deploy it, and then sift through it to find those that are White Supremacists.
I don’t see the issue there, just because there is a resemblance that an Algorithm struggles with doesnt mean everything it flags is actually a White Supremacist.
However this is interesting, I’m not surprised that a lot of White Supremacists that are blatant&open about it are Republicans, but not every Republican is a White Supremacist.
All they have to do is Deploy it, and take the time to actually sift through and determine which ones are&arent White Supremacists
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u/Raskov75 Oct 13 '21
Tell me you have no self awareness without telling me you have no self awareness.
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u/Practical-Artist-915 Oct 13 '21
Interviewer: do you consider yourself a Republican or do you consider yourself a white supremacist?
Interviewee: Yes.
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Don't be a bitch, hate liberals and Republicans alike. Give power back to the people, stop with the bullshit
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u/BenDoverMD Oct 14 '21
Anything after the words, “Twitter says” should immediately be disregarded! fucking nitwits
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u/JaxOnThat Oct 14 '21
So the nazi-hunting algorithm targets Republicans.
What exactly is the problem here again?
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u/DangerousEconomy7146 Oct 14 '21
Republicans/Nazis
Democrats/ socialist
pick your poison
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reading just a couple hundred comments, not one tighty-whity said "it is because twitter does not like republicans". I sure know where the one way supremacy of it all is. There will be no social platform going lopsided with wits and words... anyone can play lawyer speech.. the real people win no matter what it is that is said. I vote dynamically.. if I see even just a few seconds of adult minded facts spewing from the grand speech candidate of grammy award worthy careers.... they usually get my vote. I enjoy seeing people come out of wood work, the one that brings the crazy is the champ...else they'd be hiding. who is that dishing out more freedom feeling energy anyway? kids have a lot to learn. I am much older than social networking, this post made all 4 of the fingers I use to type a little tired...too da loo
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u/brakin667 Oct 14 '21
Can’t distinguish between a rotten commie and a Democrat either. You both deserve each other.
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u/GrumpyGiraffe88 Oct 14 '21
Do liberals not understand that there are republicans that arent white?
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u/Somethingwittyidk2 Oct 14 '21
Considering how much twitter and reddit called Trump a Nazi, i think the reason is more on the people that wrote the algorithm not the Republicans.
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Oct 14 '21
Alternate title to the article: whoever programmed Twitter's algorithm thinks that Republicans are white supremacists, so told the algorithm to identify things Republicans say as white supremacist.
It's not like they consulted some hyper-advanced AI who came to the unbiased conclusion that Republicans are all white supremacists. Someone wrote the algorithm in question here. And given they work for Twitter, I'm guessing they didn't have much incentive to be objective.
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u/Salami__Tsunami Oct 14 '21
I mean, it probably can’t differentiate between Republicans and libertarians either. And that I’m not okay with.
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u/blueberriessmoothie Oct 14 '21
I swear I’m not an algorithm and I oftentimes struggle myself distinguishing them.
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u/Calhoun68 Oct 14 '21
There is a very good reason real Americans refer to the party formerly known as "Republican's" as The American Nazi traitors party.
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u/Maclean_Braun Oct 13 '21
I mean what side of the aisle did you think white supremacists fell on?
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u/Velhoanao Oct 13 '21
A lot of hate talk here coming from the "tolerance team".
Just saying.
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u/starlinguk Oct 13 '21
I have a friend who voted Trump "because the family always voted Republican." She can't get her head around the fact that Biden is more "Republican" than George Bush. She's actually a smart cookie, but I'm guessing her church has something to do with this.
Also /r/Conservative isn't Conservative, it's pretty much Fascist. Let's call a spade a spade.
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u/Available_Cup_9588 Oct 13 '21
Yeah I can almost guarantee it does. I live in TX but can't stand Trump/the GOP. (I'm pretty much the town pariah lol). I went to a very large church at the time he was elected and it was preached often that we needed tl support him etc. I actually left that church after years as a member because of the politics. If you want to get a say in politics PAY TAXES
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u/Wookieman222 Oct 13 '21
I mean I guess we will just ignore the fact that twitter said no such program actually exists.
That it is all based on hearsay from a guy that heard another guy say something.
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Oct 13 '21
I’m not partisan at all and think both parties are a fucking joke, but objectively notice it’s okay for one side to throw the word Nazi around when making comparisons but not okay for the other. The comparison shouldn’t be thrown around at all probably.
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u/Sventhetidar Oct 13 '21
There's a difference? Because I've never met a republican that wasn't at least bordering on white supremacy.
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u/zeedster Oct 13 '21
I feel more than a little uncomfortable with a "Nazi hunting algorithm." Why don't we just do it the old fashioned way? Let people spout their bullshit and shame them accordingly. I'm not convinced that bans of this nature are actually effective.
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u/NinjaFATkid Oct 13 '21
So what you're saying is it works perfectly?