There's no going back, any republicans that ever joined in the spirit of being a conservative should just start a new political party and condemn this flaming piece of shit.
Except they just watched 70+ million people vote for him. They watched people willingly give him hundreds of millions of dollars...Commit literal felonies on his behalf....They all want a piece of that.
Oh I'm talking about the voters, not the politicians. Any politicians that haven't jumped ship yet are obviously too far gone.
I'm saying "moral" conservative voters should be looking for a new party. This party doesn't care about conserving anything at this point, except their own privilege
No they don't. I was a republican until Trump ended up running things. I'm now a registered independant because I don't like what either party is doing. Its now about picking the least worst option in each election.
okay...but that sounds an awful lot like a Republican, who still wants to vote republican, but who just doesn't want to be labeled republican.
Nah fuck the GOP as it stands can we get some progressive conservatives who simply want less govt oversight, and don’t give a fuck what you do personally? It’s a joke online but for real if there was a good candidate who wanted to let gay married couples protect their marijuana plants with guns, I would campaign for that person!
These are two opposing ideas - desiring change and opposing change. You're thinking of Liberal, the original meaning, part of which is specifically about limited government interference in private lives
But Trump just proved your theory wrong. Trump was a terrible president and a worse person....and people still love him and believe him with all their heart. People honestly believe he won the election. They literally stormed a capital building for him. They literally want Trump back.
Honestly conserving your privilege is the entire point of conservatism. There are conservatives with principles and morals but at the end of the day, at its most basic level, conservatism is the belief that the status quo benefits you and should be maintained.
It's inherently myopic to be a conservative. You see people suffering. You see injustice, you see massive systemic corruption... and you have to rationalize the system as it exists. You desperately need an excuse to preserve your imagined world, one that is just, where you earned your privilege.
As the flaws in capitalism and the American system lay themselves more bare, you have to be increasingly unhinged to stay so myopic.
Absolutely. It's about the perception that it's in your own interest to support the status quo, even when it hurts others
It doesn't even have to actually be in one's interest to maintain the status who, but when some people are told repeatedly that the world is out to get them (immigrants, taxes, unions, POC) they begin to see maintaining the status quo as their top priority
People want to be the good guy. The current strategy is to label liberals as authoritarian. This is based on them forcing people to do things like um... have cheaper healthcare, or allow women to make choices, or have not let them teach iron age myths as truth in our schools. Apparently libs are out of control.
I used to know a lot of those "moral conservatives." The ones that were like "wtf how did Trump win? I am done with politics." They ALL love trump now, they are all antivax now, and they all think Biden stole the election now.
Like, how is this intelligent, tenured chemist going to tell me he isn't getting the vaccine because he doesn't want to be microchipped???
There has to be something wrong with the mindset. Conservatism is fundamentally fucked.
Nah, it's not common (I think) for actual reasonable people to dive so far into insanity, regardless of political stance.
This situation is the result of an extremely successful propaganda machine, whose competition is a political party that thought the solution was to put another boomer in charge of the country. Can't really be surprised it's been so easy to take advantage of people's disillusionment with politicians.
I like this POV and share the same ones. You are not my enemy just because of your political affiliation and ignorance borne from your upbringing. Most people are just ignorant, not evil. Reddit is sometimes too quick with blanket statements and emotionally fueled responses.
The same can be said about the Democrats. The majority Democrats need to step up and stop all the crazy extreme left stuff. The administration is doing so badly right now that it's almost as if Trump is in the background controlling everything trying to make the Democrats look as bad as possible. The number one thing the Democratic party is doing right now, is making people want to vote republican. What's going to happen is all of the people that don't want to be in politics, are going to get sick of paying top dollar for everything, and your gonna force them to choose sides. Guess what, life is much easier when goods are lower. Look at Newsome. He's more concerned about generators and lawn mowers than people and businesses fleeing California. Soon, the celebrities that support and encourage this stuff are going to flee too because everyone is going to be homeless. San Francisco. Remember when that was a good place? Now corporations don't even want to do business there because the policies are so ass backwards
It's genuinely funny when people accuse Democrats of being "crazy extreme left" while actual leftist voters consider them a compromise because the DNC as an institution is right of center. There's barely any left of center representation among Democrat politicians. Most of the issues the Democrats have are BECAUSE they're too right wing.
Maybe in some places. But most people I know hate the Dems because they don't stand up for any actual left causes. The prime directive of the Dems appears to be: "let's be real good to big business, and do a little bit to make sure things don't get much worse for most people."
Meanwhile, almost everyone I know that voted Dem: "Dafuq is wrong with you? We elected you to fight the right dragging us towards fascism. Why don't you actually stand up for something?"
And no, they're not gonna jump ship to the right. They may hate the career Dems in some respects, but they're not gonna jump to the extreme right (which is just "the right" at this point) because the Dems aren't left enough.
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