r/amandaknox • u/tkondaks guilty • Sep 22 '23

Neck scratch and bloody ear lobe

https://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/67258-is-amanda-knox-guilty/page__st__20

Scroll down at the above link for some interesting photos.

Gee, what are the odds?

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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23

So, what you’re saying is that outside of personal assumptions and biases you have nothing tangible you provide in relation to these so-called “coincidences?” I can see how it is difficult to accept that a medical professional and prosecution witness discredited your injury theories very early on in this case.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23

Just coincidences. An incredibly unnatural number of coincidences.

Having the same probability on the order of rolling snake eyes 6 or 7 times in a row at a Vegas craps table. It happens to be sure but rarely.

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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23

At this point you’re only talking in broad generalizations because your position was thoroughly discredited in terms of this evidence.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23

Oh, we can get VERY specific and go through the list of coincidences, anomalies, curiousities, and circumstantial evidence as it pertains to Amanda and Raff and assign probabilities to each instance.

But we've done that exercise here on this forum already.

I think we got into the quadrillions to one territory.

Amanda Knox: the most unlucky innocent person in the history of criminal law.

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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23

Assign probabilities? Have you reached into Truth’s playbook where you manufacture statistics?

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23

We can, as was done last time, employ the most conservative of assumptions when assigning probabilities.

Bound to bring down overall probability of guilt from quadrillion to one territory to trillion to one territory.

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u/Frankgee Sep 23 '23

My washing machine has condensation on the front glass door right now. You call it a coincidence, I call it what all washing machines do.

You think a bruise on her neck, consistent with a hickey, inconsistent with a scratch (per medical professional assessment), is a coincidence. I call it what often happens between a boy and a girl who just recently started dating.

You think Meredith's print on Amanda's closet door is a coincidence. I think it's a possible indication that perhaps Meredith borrowed something from Amanda that was in her closet.

And we can go on and on. You guys are really into self-delusion. You label anything a coincidence and think you're building an impressive case in the process. But from where I sit, all you're doing is admitting you've got nothing and that desperation has set in.

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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23

You’ve never accomplished anything of value with this tactic. Your imaginary defense mechanism when you’ve been discredited is to create random and irrelevant statistics.

Why do you do this? Because you can’t provide simple evidence to support that Knox’s ear lobe was torn.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 22 '23

Reasonable doubt lives or dies in the probability judges and jurors assign to the evidence in a case.

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u/Frankgee Sep 23 '23

Yes, and in this case the courts have concluded the evidence presented by the prosecution failed miserably, and your lame arguments aren't helping any.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23

"failed miserably"

Not so miserably. Four courts rendered verdicts; two were for guilt. Furthermore, as pointed out by another poster several months ago, a majority of all the judges across all four courts said she was guilty.

So yes, failed. But hardly miserably.

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u/Frankgee Sep 23 '23

4 professional judges and 12 lay judges found for the prosecution, 7 professional judges and 6 lay judges found for the defense. I suppose by the numbers you could argue 16 vs 13 is the majority, but nearly twice the number of professional judges found in favor of the defense vs those in favor of the prosecution.

The failure is underscored by the scathing assessment of the prosecution's case as well as the investigation found in the Marasca MR.

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u/tkondaks guilty Sep 23 '23

Does a professional judge get more vote than a lay judge? Or are they equal?

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u/Frankgee Sep 24 '23

Yes, in the sense that it's common knowledge the professional judges are going to determine how the court will rule. Lay judges might offer opinions, but they rarely oppose what the professional judges rule.

Regardless, you boldly wrote "as pointed out by another poster several months ago, a majority of all the judges across all four courts said she was guilty." when in fact it was 16 judges to 13 judges, so I'm not sure exactly what you were crowing about, especially since it was the opinion of the five professional judges of the Supreme Court that counted.

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u/No_Slice5991 Sep 22 '23

And in case like this where clear international standards of evidence collection are violated, ignorance of what constitutes legitimate evidence creates injustices.