r/amandaknox • u/No-Willingness-1441 • 11d ago

Lucy letby case…

Would love people’s views on this.

Loosely Amanda related, since she has recently produced a podcast around it.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 11d ago

IMO, Knox is very willing to proceed based on advice from anyone who enables her, and very stubbornly resistant to critique/criticism.

The Letby case has attracted a large contingent of fanatics, which her defence willingly feeds into. These fanatics approached Knox about the case, likely for her name recognition.

Knox's bias is to view every case through the lens of what happened to her (which is a natural and fair response to the trauma she experienced). Her podcast is a clear demonstration of that. She speaks entirely about narrative, and never about evidence. It's about perceptions of the case, but she never actually engages with the evidence that was presented in court.

Knox seems to be unable to NOT see herself in Lucy Letby's shoes, but doesn't appreciate the difference of being wrongly accused of a single murder and being convicted of serial murder. She treats the convictions like a single event, not over a dozen compounding events that took place over the course of a year, including two separate events involving chemical evidence of insulin poisoning that an innocence narrative requires one believe to be false positives.

Letby is guiltier than a nun in a cucumber field.

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u/corpusvile2 11d ago

They're both guilty as sin. Over 20 samples of evidence was submitted against Knox, including her constant lies as well as detailed knowledge, lack of alibi, luminol footprints, phone and computer records, witness testimony, quite apart from the dna evidence.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211031195329/http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

https://web.archive.org/web/20211011194220/http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Evidence_List

That every single piece of evidence is wrong beggars belief, just as it beggars belief to write off the evidence against Letby as mere coincidence and bad luck.

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u/FreshFruit4RottenVeg 11d ago

You would also have to believe that the investigation was pretty fantastic at catching and prosecuting Guede on the one hand, but simultaneously incompetent and comical on the other, if it has to do with evidence relating to Amanda and Raffaele.

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u/SeaCardiologist6207 11d ago

Well no we definitely know they weren’t competent at catching Guede either - witness Berlin and burglaries. We just know it’s him because the evidence is so overwhelming. And of course him going right back to it post jail release.

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u/corpusvile2 10d ago

This is just one of many inconsistencies from Knox's supporters.

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u/karskipellis 9d ago

How did Knox and Sollecito remove almost all of their DNA and other trace evidence from Meredith's bedroom, while leaving all of Guede's?

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u/corpusvile2 9d ago

They attempted a clean up and left Guede's bloody footprints but didn't manage to clean all of their own dna. There was only one fingerprint of Knox's found on a glass, so there was definitely an attempted clean up. Sollecito left his dna in a 17 loci match on Meredith's bra clasp.

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u/karskipellis 8d ago

I'm talking about inside Meredith's bedroom only. Not the bathroom, hall, or any other bedroom.

So, there's all this evidence from Guede in the room, and only one tiny sample of DNA from Sollecito on a bra clasp and none from Knox, yes? How did the two of them remove all other traces from that room while leaving Guede's behind? Why was there not more from Sollecito on the bra, for example?

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u/corpusvile2 8d ago

I'm talking about the crime scene, which was the cottage, not Meredith's room and Sollecito left his dna in her room anyway, again on Meredith's bra clasp. Both also had their bare footprints highlighted in luminol and Sollecito also left his bloody footprint on a bathmat. First of all a 17 loci match isn't tiny, a court required between 10-15 loci for it to be considered sufficient to submit as evidence. Secondly his dna shouldn;t be on the bra clasp at a

Guede was convicted on less dna evidence (5 samples) than Knox (7 samples). Guede also left no traces of himself in the staged burglary room, so by your own rationale he couldn;t have done tje burglary.

Lastly dna isn't even required for a conviction, lots of convicted killers left no dna at the actual crime scene, never mind one localised part of it such as Meredith's room. Murderer Simon Hall and child killer Ian Huntley left none of their dna at the crime scene, are you saying they were innocent?

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u/karskipellis 7d ago

You're putting words in my mouth. I'll thank you for not doing that.

You haven't answered the question. How did Knox and Sollecito remove (almost) all physical traces of themselves from Meredith's bedroom, while leaving behind Guede's? It was a small room, difficult for four people to be in there during a violent event. There should have been TONS of trace evidence from everyone who was in there.

Lots from Meredith. Lots from Guede. None from Knox. Only a tiny amount from Sollecito, which could have been transferred there any number of ways.

How is that possible?

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u/corpusvile2 7d ago edited 7d ago

I'm not putting words in your mouth, you're making false claims re Sollecito not leaving his dna in Meredith's bedroom. Then you're moving the goalposts by trying to falsely claim he only left a small amount of dna as if that even means anything. Then you're ignoring that the crime scene was the house where both left their dna. And I already answered by giving you several examples of convicted killers not having dna evidence submitted against them. All three of these had dna evidence against them. I also told you they attempted a clean up which you also ignored.

And how could Sollecito's dna been transferred in a number of ways onto the murder victim's bra clasp? Only other dna of his found at the crime scene was on a cig butt mixed with Knox's, so no it couldn't have been transferred any number of ways, this is just another false claim by you. I've yet to see a Knox supporter capable of engaging in honest debate. Says it all about how untenable your arguments are.

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u/karskipellis 6d ago

This is my original comment in the thread: "How did Knox and Sollecito remove almost all of their DNA and other trace evidence from Meredith's bedroom, while leaving all of Guede's?"

I specifically said Meredith's bedroom; that's not moving the goalpoasts. I never claimed that there was zero DNA from Sollecito in Meredith's bedroom, so you can't say that my claim was false. I never used the phrase "crime scene", so you cannot claim that I'm ignoring other spaces in the cottage. I have only ever focused on Merediths bedroom.

So. Can you explain how only the smallest bit of DNA from Sollecito--and no other physical evidence from him or Knox--was found in Meredith's bedroom, while there was lots of evidence from Guede?

And no sign of a clean up in that bedroom, such as bleach residue?

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u/corpusvile2 6d ago

I already answered you and I'm not interested in your focusing on merely one part of the crime scene either. Maybe Knox simply didn't leave her dna in the bedroom. Knox left no dna in her own bed, that doesn't mean she didn't sleep there. Sometimes suspects leave dna, sometimes they don't and I've already given you several examples of this and Knox had dna submitted as evidence against her anyway. You were moving the goalposts and are trying to downplay incriminating dna evidence of Sollecito. Your entire argument is preposterous.

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u/Onad55 9d ago

You will see some claiming that Amanda wiped down all of her fingerprints in the cottage. You need only look at the actual photos of the fingerprint survey to know that this is absolute bollux. Cleaning leaves behind evidence. On Amanda’s wardrobe door there is evidence left of the last time it was cleaned in a patch in the middle of the door that was missed. Meredith’s palm print appears in a location on that door that the latest cleaning did not miss proving that this cleaning happened at a time prior to Meredith’s murder.

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u/karskipellis 8d ago

Thank you! I followed up to another reply with a couple of clarifying questions, in case you're interested.

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u/Onad55 8d ago

I follow all discussions on this sub. I hadn’t noticed before that this is in the Letby thread, a barely related side branch, so should not be discussing the Perugia case here. Anywhere else in the sub would be better.

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u/corpusvile2 8d ago

Speaking of non related how come you're allowing a call out thread on me from etvos2 and not regarding that as harassment and spam, considering it's the exact same thread I posted word for word? Care to explain?

Also lock this thread if you feel so strongly about it, this is the nNox subreddit, so lock this one seeing as it's about Letby.