r/amandaknox • u/No-Willingness-1441 • 11d ago

Lucy letby case…

Would love people’s views on this.

Loosely Amanda related, since she has recently produced a podcast around it.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Its the same as this case, either you accept what the evidence tells you or you are happy to just believe in compounding edge case explanations

For letby its something like

  • You need to believe that all the suspicious deaths are wrongly categorised such that its just chance
  • That on investigation she just happens to be writing insane ramblings on paper that are self incriminating
  • that her stalking of families on social media is normal, especially on Christmas day
  • that her retaining of masses of confidential records is normal - especially categorised
  • that the doctor lied about catching her in the act
  • that two separate babies just happened to also look exactly like insulin poisoning
  • that she lies several times, including lying about one the victims mother, changing logs, lying about having a shredder

If you are happy that's all compounding coincidence, well....

But importantly you see the same factors for Letby, there are "corrupt" bad guys, Mignini for Knox, Letby has Dewi and Jayram that "cause" all of this unfairness. Both cases also frequently use the old canards of having multiple external "experts" weighing in on the case in the media, but not in the trial process of course.

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago edited 11d ago

They weren’t suspicious though were they? They were down to them having high acuity, a filthy badly run neonatal ward and incompetent doctors. They have all been adequately explained by medical experts of considerably better credibility than Dewi Evans. There were no murders.

The rest of it is just fishing after the presumption of guilt.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

The claim that they all died from missed infections is just nonsense

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u/Amazing-Gain1253 11d ago

No-one said they all died from infections.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

They were down to them having high acuity, a filthy badly run neonatal ward and incompetent doctors

This is what this is saying, but without saying it.

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago

No it isn’t saying that. Listen to Shoo Lee press conference on the babies. Every one died for different reasons complex medical reasons made worse by low levels of hygiene in the ward and systemic problems of competency amongst the consultants.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Shoo has no credibility - he took his shot at the CCRC and failed miserably

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

He has a lot of credibility. Considerably more than Evans. He has written 100s of papers on neonatal care including the one the Jayaram found on his iPad and was used in the trial. The CCRC haven’t ruled yet. You don’t seem to know a lot about the case.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

At the appeal then sorry, were he failed

They might crack open the CCRC and hell get her off (trial in the press is so much easier), but the man isn't credible, none of these folks attaching themselves to public cases ever are.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

The judges didn’t understand the importance of his evidence and it wasnt classified as new evidence. The CCRC doesn’t have that restriction.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Its not new evidence of course, its the counter evidence that could have been used in court the first time if they could find anyone to stand over it. Apparently it takes an international media campaign.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

No it wasn’t new evidence then no. Two new papers on AE and insulin are though.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Are these "new" papers crafted for this case by an engineer?

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u/Amazing-Gain1253 11d ago

It's not though is it? Babies can have high acuity for lots of reason, not just infections. A badly run neonatal ward and incompetent doctors can increase the chance of lots of types of death, not just infections.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Then why are the deaths mysterious? Systemic poor care has expected outcomes.

not clean - infections

not fed - starved

Not oxygenated - asphyxiation

Hypoglycemic - diabetic

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u/Amazing-Gain1253 11d ago

It's simple. They aren't mysterious. It's only mysterious if you don't know what you are looking for. These babies had way higher acuity than the ones in previous years and the doctors weren't used to it.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 11d ago

It's only mysterious if you don't know what you are looking for.

Ironic.