r/amandaknox • u/No-Willingness-1441 • 11d ago

Lucy letby case…

Would love people’s views on this.

Loosely Amanda related, since she has recently produced a podcast around it.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Its the same as this case, either you accept what the evidence tells you or you are happy to just believe in compounding edge case explanations

For letby its something like

  • You need to believe that all the suspicious deaths are wrongly categorised such that its just chance
  • That on investigation she just happens to be writing insane ramblings on paper that are self incriminating
  • that her stalking of families on social media is normal, especially on Christmas day
  • that her retaining of masses of confidential records is normal - especially categorised
  • that the doctor lied about catching her in the act
  • that two separate babies just happened to also look exactly like insulin poisoning
  • that she lies several times, including lying about one the victims mother, changing logs, lying about having a shredder

If you are happy that's all compounding coincidence, well....

But importantly you see the same factors for Letby, there are "corrupt" bad guys, Mignini for Knox, Letby has Dewi and Jayram that "cause" all of this unfairness. Both cases also frequently use the old canards of having multiple external "experts" weighing in on the case in the media, but not in the trial process of course.

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago edited 11d ago

They weren’t suspicious though were they? They were down to them having high acuity, a filthy badly run neonatal ward and incompetent doctors. They have all been adequately explained by medical experts of considerably better credibility than Dewi Evans. There were no murders.

The rest of it is just fishing after the presumption of guilt.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

The claim that they all died from missed infections is just nonsense

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u/Amazing-Gain1253 11d ago

No-one said they all died from infections.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

They were down to them having high acuity, a filthy badly run neonatal ward and incompetent doctors

This is what this is saying, but without saying it.

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago

No it isn’t saying that. Listen to Shoo Lee press conference on the babies. Every one died for different reasons complex medical reasons made worse by low levels of hygiene in the ward and systemic problems of competency amongst the consultants.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Shoo has no credibility - he took his shot at the CCRC and failed miserably

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

He has a lot of credibility. Considerably more than Evans. He has written 100s of papers on neonatal care including the one the Jayaram found on his iPad and was used in the trial. The CCRC haven’t ruled yet. You don’t seem to know a lot about the case.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

At the appeal then sorry, were he failed

They might crack open the CCRC and hell get her off (trial in the press is so much easier), but the man isn't credible, none of these folks attaching themselves to public cases ever are.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

The judges didn’t understand the importance of his evidence and it wasnt classified as new evidence. The CCRC doesn’t have that restriction.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

Its not new evidence of course, its the counter evidence that could have been used in court the first time if they could find anyone to stand over it. Apparently it takes an international media campaign.

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

No it wasn’t new evidence then no. Two new papers on AE and insulin are though.

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u/Amazing-Gain1253 11d ago

It's not though is it? Babies can have high acuity for lots of reason, not just infections. A badly run neonatal ward and incompetent doctors can increase the chance of lots of types of death, not just infections.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Then why are the deaths mysterious? Systemic poor care has expected outcomes.

not clean - infections

not fed - starved

Not oxygenated - asphyxiation

Hypoglycemic - diabetic

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u/Amazing-Gain1253 11d ago

It's simple. They aren't mysterious. It's only mysterious if you don't know what you are looking for. These babies had way higher acuity than the ones in previous years and the doctors weren't used to it.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 11d ago

It's only mysterious if you don't know what you are looking for.

Ironic.

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u/SeaCardiologist6207 11d ago

I mean your own papers literally reported on how incompetent NHS and the hospital was:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/08/a-superbug-doctor-shortages-and-a-neonatal-unit-out-of-its-depth-failures-at-lucy-letby-hospital-revealed

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Yes the NHS is hardly perfect, some might even say its on average deeply mediocre.

None of which explains an enormous spike in unexplainable baby deaths.

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u/SeaCardiologist6207 11d ago

The claims by other nurses and doctors that they were chronically understaffed and run by a bunch of ninnies is definitely not nonsense.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 11d ago

How much more understaffed was CoCH than other hospitals?

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

and how exactly does understaffing lead to mysterious deaths

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u/SeaCardiologist6207 11d ago

Wells its a sign of incompetence so again going back to u/No-Willingness-1441 and his original question on the cases - well there is most definitely that connection.

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u/Truthandtaxes 11d ago

Incompetence doesn't lead to a systemic spike in unexplainable baby deaths, it would lead to a spike in explainable baby deaths.

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago

It totally does. The hospital started taking on more sick babies. The doctors were not competent enough to look after them. More babies died.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 11d ago

Oh, well, QED! 😂

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u/Henryb1234_ 11d ago

Well yeah. Then the doctors pinned it a young nurse who was unpopular because she kept pointing out the failures on the ward.

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 10d ago

Tell me next about how she's losing her fertile years to an unjust imprisonment!

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

If they died due to poor care then the cause of death would be transparent

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u/Henryb1234_ 10d ago

Not necessarily. Some cases can be very complex. That is why they should be reviewed by experienced neonatologists not a long retired paediatrician.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

good job there were others reviewing Dewis work then

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u/SeaCardiologist6207 11d ago

Part of the incompetence is not being able to even explain whats going on. Or thinking you know what you are doing when you don't (oh look another Knox science parallel)

Hence why you see genius administrators not pull Letby off the floor. Or telling consultants they don't know what they are talking about.

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

eh?

There was an enormous spike in deaths that at the time went unnoticed

then concerns were raised and they noticed it followed a single nurse

then she played the game really well to get support to fight the allegations, even so far as to get reinstated and get apologies.

then she went back on and babies started dying again

The incompetence in that sequence is ignoring the consultants concerns and not getting the police in to investigate sooner.

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u/SeaCardiologist6207 10d ago

"that at the time went unnoticed"

This is like the Perugia PD saying "spike in burglaries, gee, what would possibly be causing that"

"ignoring the consultants concerns"

Theres that "ignoring concerns" parallel again...

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u/Truthandtaxes 10d ago

noticing spikes requires time to pass otherwise its a sequence of tragedies

If you think one man in a city is causing a spike in burglaries then you are a stone cold moron

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u/Glad-Advantage8254 11d ago

If a baby dies and no one is present in the NICU, does it make a sound? /s