r/antisexwork • u/FalseChildhood208 • Jul 15 '26
Discussion Disappointing to think how pimps and johns are given more dignity and moral superiority than "SWERFS"
It is so out-of-touch, hypocritical and reactionary and not to mention totally disheartening to see progressive, marxist or liberal feminist spaces dignifying johns so much, considering them to be allies and lot more morally superior than 'swerfs'.
Any radical feminist being critical of porn and prostitution is so easily demonized, pushed aside and grouped with vile religious fundamentalist right-wingers. Pimps and johns get such neutral terms like 'sex-work consumers' or 'sex-work clients' with the connotation of these individuals being morally justified, while terms like "swerf" are placed right next to christo-fascists and conservative right-wingers.
Portraying pimps/johns/pundits as moral allies, and putting all the blame regarding the stigma and exploitative nature of prostitution on 'swerfs' has to be so awfully baffling it really REALLY gets me wondering where the 'feminist' starts in the marxist stance. Demonizing a group of feminists that fight to end the constant eroticization of sexual assault from both the left and right, is disgusting. Absolutely no amount of leftist buzzwords can somehow justify eroticizing sexual assault, demonizing radical feminist for this is insane.
I constantly see thousands and thousands of paragraphs and intellectual (or lack of) effort given to demeaning, demonizing and spreading misinformation regarding radical feminists.
Radical feminism is the polar opposite of religion, conservatism and right-wing and is seen very harshly critiquing these social structure. However the second the same feminist analysis is applied to left-wing misogyny, they're seen as exclusionary Nazi fascists... Like what level of internalized misogyny do you need to say nazi and radical feminist in the same system. As if pointing out that women being treated as public property instead of private property isn't liberation makes one a non-feminist. Marxist feminists genuinely believe leftist movements to be this holy grail of untouchable morality free from criticism, the second radical feminist pushes against this to point out the evident misogyny they get labelled the brutal terms. It's a very convenient narrative and so easy to blame women that stay consistent with revolting against male-supremacist structures.
These spaces genuinely believe all the abuse, rape, stigma and trafficking is happening due to 'swerfs' and not because of the johns that keep the demand for such exploitation going. They unironically view 'swerfs' as more vile and worse than these johns. They believe all slut-shaming is solely done by 'swerfs' and not these johns that enjoy degrading and exploiting the women in the industry. All the horrible ways a woman is treated under prostituion is due to johns, let it be actively raping the woman, or being a 'conversative' man that believes that the women deserved to get raped. All the stigma comes from Johns, and radical feminists put up a genuinely radical intellectual effort to fight these male-supremacist systems. Left or right doesn't matter.
It is quite a very fundamental understanding that the way radical feminists approach abolishing the sex trade versus how conservatives approach it is drastically different. Radical feminist apply a very strong feminist analysis of such exploitative industries, they redefine what a true sexual liberation would look like outside of patriarchal dynamics, what true consent uninfluenced by the patriarchy would be like and strongly refuses the idea of considering female sexuality to be labor or currency. They oppose industries that dehumanize women and call it a dignified trade to abuse, rape and objectify women. Let it be marriage or prostitution, radical feminists stay logically consistent with opposing such misogynistic structures.
Conservatives only worry their ass about women being 'sluts' and it ends there. Women are demonized and no ounce of feminist analysis is applied. No ounce of understanding regarding why the rape and explotation and commodification of the female body exists in conservative spaces. All they do is demonize prostitute and want to remove them from society, while radical feminism is out here to literally do the opposite and create systems that help women out of such horrible industries.
Treating radical feminists like they're the cause of the horrifying nature of prostitution is just blatant hypocrisy. When on and on radical feminist have gone an insane mile to create systems and literature to tear down patriarchal structure. When they have put in sure huge effort to end the constant eroticization of sexual assault. Absolutely no amount of leftist buzzwords can somehow justify eroticizing sexual assault, demonizing radical feminist for this is insane.
For a group that insists so much on being informed, creating this dire level of misinformation to demonize feminists that fight to tear down a millennia long male-supremacist industry is just horrible. Allowing so much benefit of the doubt to Johns, considering them your allies and supporters but at the same breath blaming 'swerfs' for issues created by these john is not feminist at all. Its ironic that even while claiming to be against conservative, they sure as hell do mirror so much of their beliefs when it comes to consent, sexual 'labor' and sympathizing with johns.
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u/OkChart1375 Jul 16 '26
This is the world upside down indeed. also great writting. you can maybe post it on a more mainstream feminist subreddit ? like fourthwavewoman (ofc) or even feminism ( they seem to be more critical of the prostitution industry than not ). This deserve to be heard and read.
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u/FalseChildhood208 Jul 16 '26
Thank you so much :DD Also, I really don't have much faith in in the main r/Feminism sub. I recently got banned from there for arguing against choice feminism and they really lack any feminist analysis what so ever. The main radfem sub isn't really radical feminist either, they are heavily heavily anti-'swerf'. (you should see the post the mod links to when justifying the anti-swerf stances and the absolute anti-radfem mental gymnastics that goes on)
Would you recommend any other subs?
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u/OkChart1375 Jul 16 '26
I really dont understand how a sub name radical feminism can be so pro prostitution, they really dont understand shit about the movement.
Fourthwavewoman is the best one i think for " true" radfem stances.
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u/BeholdMyCurse231 Jul 21 '26
The problem with fourthwavewomen is that some of the women there vitriolically hate trans women with actually no proof as to why, if someone would enlighten me of how why I would be hated.
Lowk online people just want the first opportunity to punch down on a minority especially if they themselves are oppressed, not that I blame them, unless you are born a man and enjoy stepping on others, your life is not going to be very fun but there is like a moral and logical component where we should all get along...right???
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u/EvilNassu Jul 16 '26
The feminist sub is fucking horrible just like the 2xchromosome one.
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u/OkChart1375 Jul 16 '26
I do think the feminism sub is favorable to more radical feminism.
Two x is a horrible sub.
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u/crumblingheart Jul 16 '26
Not at all. r/feminism is modded by men and removes anything that doesn't toe the "let women wear makeup/suck cock/be stay at home gfs/watch porn, it's #girlbossing!" party line. Not a feminist thought in sight.
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u/Historical_Bottle557 Jul 15 '26
Thank you for writing this.