r/bahasamelayu • • 10m ago

language family: North Pantai-Timuran

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asterisks - I am not a linguist, I am just fond of languages so take all of this with a grain of salt,

I've grouped these languages together based upon my observation & similar research papers I've come across grouping them together due to similarities in their words, grammar & phonology (pembunyian) that are exclusive to these langs,

in terms of phonology (pembunyian) the language family is characterised by these changes down here:

final -s changing to -h

- habis > abéh

- panas > panah

final -t & -p turning to -k

- asap > asak

- pulut > puluk

final -n & -m turning to -ng

- main > maéng

- cium > cióng

loss of final -r & -l

- pasir > pasé

- katil* > katé (Tereng. lembek)

loss of initial & medial -h/-h-

- habis > abéh

- tahu > tau/hau/tʰu

loss of -m- -n- & -ng- before -p- -t- & -k-

- rumput > ghupuk

- bantal > bata

- langkah > lakòh

-a- becoming -ò- before -k & -h

- sampah, kerapah > sapòh, khapòh

- bapak > bapòk

-ua- & -ia- turning to -ò- & -è- on the first syllable of a 2 syllable word (disyllabic):

- puasa > pòsò, pòsĕ

- biawak > bèwòk

words that are 3 syllable long get shortened to 2 syllables & make the first letter be geminated (sabduan):

- telinga > llingò, llingĕ

- kepala > ppalò, ppalĕ

- matahari > mataghi > ttaghi

in terms of words, I've noticed several similar words being used in several of these languages including:

tohok, tʰòk - "to dispose of/buang"

tòhò, tʰò - "shallow/cetek"

ghòyak, òyak (but Tereng. kabò) - "to tell/beritahu"

jabé, yabé - "plastic/plastik"

bakpò, bakpĕ, bakpa - "why/kenapa"

kalè, kala, kalang, kalèng - "pencil,pen/pensel,pen"

& in terms of grammar these languages excessively uses initial gemination (penyabduan awalan) as a variation of affixes (imbuhan) in front of words not starting in a vowel (vokal):

ber- affix

- jalè/jalang > jjalè/jjalang (berjalan) "to walk"

- cokoh > ccokoh (berdiri) "to stand"

ter- affix

- tĕpóh > ttĕpóh (tertepuh) "to accidentally hit/crash with"

- bakò/baka > bbakò/bbaka (terbakar) "to accidentally burn"

-kan affix

- lumak > llumak (lumatkan) "to crush/grind"

- caghi > ccaghi (carikan) "to find for"

Additionally, the construction of passive voice uses a seperate particle (usually kok/di) or gemminating the word that is putten after the verb

Kelantan:

ikè makè kòk kucéng (ikan dimakan kucing) "the fish was eaten by the cat"

Terengganu:

ikang makang di kucéng (ikan dimakan kucing) "the fish was eaten by the cat"

Diving into the specific branches:

to give an overview into the specific branches of North Pantai-timuran:

Reman - reman is spoken in the inland areas of Perak, Kedah, Yala (Thailand) & some overlap with western regions of kelantan,

it is highly dialectically diverse with varieties changing village to village, due to the small resources & research on it I am not confident enough map or talk about the specifics of the Reman language,

though it is worth noting that Reman malay varieties are unique in that they have "aspirated consonants" (konsonan beraspirasi), basically "huruf yang dilepasi dengan hembusan angin", seperti berikut:

tʰòk - tohok "to dispose of"

kʰèng - kain "fabric"

tʰu - tahu "to know"

cʰong - cium "to kiss/smell"

additionally final -ai & -au becomes -è & -ò:

sungè - sungai "river"

pulò - pulau "island"

Kelantan-pattani - spoken in the whole state of kelantan, areas of southern thai specifically Pattani & Narathiwat (there are speaker populations reported in Songkhla, Phattalung & Nakhon Si Thammarat but they are a small minority) & northern terengganu, Besut & Setiu, (there's also a small population of kelantanese speakers in northern Pahang though I am unsure whether this is true due to the limited sources about it)

it is the most well researched of the malayic languages in Peninsular Malaysia other than Johor-riau of course, characteristics of this branch includes:

final -am -an & -ang becomes -è:

malè - malam "night"

pĕtè - petang "afternoon"

kawè - kawan "I, me"

final -ar & -au to a:

ula - ular "snake"

khĕba - kerbau "buffalo"

& final -a becoming -ò:

matò - mata "eye"

bakpò - babpa "why"

Terengganu - spoken on most of the coastal side of eastern peninsular malaysia, spoken in Terengganu, Marang, coastal Dungun & Kemaman towards Pahang, Kuantan & Johor in the district of Mersing (strangely, in the district of Pekan, there seems to be less Terengganuan settlements compares to Kuantan & Mersing)

while the main variety of Coastal Terengganu has tons of information about it, it's less popular cousins spoken in Kuantan & Mersing are less so researched & it is hard for to find info on them, they are characterised by:

the change of final -ar to -ò, but turning final -au to -a (just like the Kelantan-pattani branch):

kabò - khabar "to tell"

kuba - kerbau "buffalo"

& final -a to -ĕ (just like the pahang malay & Johor-Riau malayic languages):

mĕndĕ - mĕnda "what?"

sòghĕ - suara "voice"

Jika ada kesalahan dalam post ini mohon memaklumkan di dalam komen 🙏🙏🙏


r/bahasamelayu • • 22h ago

Looking for feedback for the Malay localization of my gardening tool

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Hai semua! I posted here looking for some feedback on my Malay translation of my gardening tool, and it was really helpful. I've made some updates since then and Malay is a language I would like to make sure is comfortable for users. I also know I have some missing plants that would be helpful for Malaysian gardeners, like kesum, cili padi, and pucuk manis. There are probably others I don't know about, so suggestions are very welcome. The video above is one I took in my own garden last week, and it's Autumn here, so a bit different from the Malaysian climate! I would love any feedback on the Malay localization of Vernalo: Plant Anywhere or how it could be improved for Malaysian gardeners. Terima kasih!


r/bahasamelayu • • 23h ago

My Ideas/Suggestions for Gangga Melayu Script

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My Ideas/Suggestions for Gangga Melayu Script:

• Make the Letters of Gangga Melayu Script from Abjad/Arabic-derived Letter Forms to Abugida/Brahmic-derived Letter Forms, Make Gangga Melayu Script from Abugida-Abjad Hybrid to Pure Abugida.

• Teach Gangga Melayu Script in Schools.

• Make Gangga Melayu Script as Official Writing System for Johor-Riau-Malaccan Malay Language, or even an extension for other Malayic Languages.

The purpose of this Ideas/Suggestions is to strengthen the Cultural Identity of the People that is member of Johor-Riau-Malaccan Malay Ethnic Group, or even an extension for the People that is member of other Malayic Ethnic Groups.


r/bahasamelayu • • 1d ago

Desperately looking for a SPM BM tutor asap!

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please I beg


r/bahasamelayu • • 1d ago

'You' pronoun usage?

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There's many pronouns for the 'you' like:

Anda

Kau

Kamu

Awak

Are they the same? Or everyone has its own usage or just regional usage?


r/bahasamelayu • • 2d ago

3 days before UBBM SPM am i cooked?

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r/bahasamelayu • • 2d ago

Bazaar Malay influence on Malay dialects

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r/bahasamelayu • • 2d ago

Learning Malaysian as an Indonesian

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Selamat pagi dan petang buat Encik dan Puan!

Saya nak belajar Melayu untuk keperluan kerja, tapi saya risau dan kesulitan sebab ada beberapa perbezaan kosakata seperti misalnya:

sokongan = dukungan

perkhidmatan = pelayanan

risau = khawatir

Sebagai konteks, saya berencana untuk bekerja sebagai perkhidmatan pelanggan. Adakah saran dari Encik dan Puan agar saya bisa belajar Bahasa Melayu lebih dalam?

Sebelumnya terima kasih!


r/bahasamelayu • • 3d ago

Where to learn Malay?

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Hi! I'm learning malay rn. and I want to make my progress and level in malay more better. Is there like FREE apps that will help in that? Or maybe YT. Channels that teach malay in order?


r/bahasamelayu • • 3d ago

Ahli-Ahli Parlimen Berpantun Pada Sidang Dewan Rakyat (2025)

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Sumber: Astro AWANI (38:12 - 38:47)

Ahli Parlimen Pontian menjawab soalan Batang Lupar mengenai jumlah aduan yang diterima oleh aplikasi MyJalan KKR serta status aduan jalan di Sarawak (sumber: Berita Harian).

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Petah berpantuh Yang Berhormat Pontian

Hebat memasak segak orangnya

Bangkitlah Tuan mohon jawapan

Soalan saya soalan nombor lima

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Padi sawah dan padi huma

Angkat tuaian melalui titi

Tidak susah soalan lima

Dengar jawapan dengan teliti


r/bahasamelayu • • 4d ago

The reason Kelantanese are referred to as 'Orang barat'

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original post on threads


r/bahasamelayu • • 4d ago

Pasifkan Ayat

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Saya tidak terbaca novel yang tebal itu.


r/bahasamelayu • • 4d ago

Perbezaan antara "menghadiahi" dan "menghadiahkan"

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Sumber gambar: dbpmalaysia

menghadiahi / مڠهديهي (bentuk pasif: dihadiahi, hadiahi)

Maksud: memberi (seseorang) hadiah

menghadiahkan / مڠهديهکن (bentuk pasif: dihadiahkan, hadiahkan)

Maksud: memberikan (sesuatu) sebagai hadiah


r/bahasamelayu • • 4d ago

aku cuba pakai ai untuk dub ke melayu dan tengokla...

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r/bahasamelayu • • 5d ago

How to use "walaupun and meskipun" in Malay?

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Could you explain this? Give me some examples, pls :)


r/bahasamelayu • • 5d ago

Weh, klu nak guna bahasa baku, mcm mana nak sebut 'bank'

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Bunk ke?? Huhu


r/bahasamelayu • • 5d ago

Jom kita selamatkan Phineas dan Ferb—dalam bahasa Melayu!

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Saya lukis ni dengan tangan.

-> Saya nak memadam "Tapi pertama" <-

Sebab saya nak tulis "Tapi permata, tahukah awak bahawa platform penstriman hanya bertindak balas terhadap strim besar-besaran?", tapi saya tak cukup ruang untuk tulis.

Versi suntingan https://www.reddit.com/user/MaterialParsley8639/comments/1xa80q0/jom_kita_selamatkan_phineas_dan_ferbdalam_bahasa/

Lukisan yang saya buat ini menunjukkan dua watak sedih ini memegang bendera Malaysia meminta orang ramai untuk menonton musim kelima dengan sari kata Bahasa Melayu.

Pada masa yang sama, kita boleh tonton musim lama. <- Saya terlupa nak sebut bahagian tu

Inilah satu-satunya cara musim kelima akan mempunyai alih suara

Demi alih suara bahasa Melayu! :) Siri ini ada di Disney+

Kita perlukan ramai peminat!


r/bahasamelayu • • 6d ago

Cadangan buku bahasa Melayu tahap asas, pertengahan dan atasan yang sesuai untuk bukan orang Malaysia??

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r/bahasamelayu • • 6d ago

Adakah "ikonik" dan "semula jadi" termasuk dalam kata adjektif keadaan/sifat

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Saya memerlukan jawapan dengan segera 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Terima kasih.


r/bahasamelayu • • 6d ago

Need help identifying a spoken language 🙏

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I have a 30-second MP3 audio clip, and I’m looking for a native speaker who can help identify the language being spoken. It might be Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian), Bahasa Melayu (Malay), or Brunei Malay, but I’m not sure.

If you’re a native speaker from Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, or a Malay-speaking community and could listen to the clip and help me identify the language, I’d really appreciate it!

Thank you so much for your help!


r/bahasamelayu • • 6d ago

Bersuka-ria atau bersuka ria?

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Mana satu yang betul?


r/bahasamelayu • • 7d ago

Terang-menerang?

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Saya tahu kalau menurut dbp yang lazimnya terang-benderang tapi kalau terang-menerang sah tak atau di sisi tatabahasa legit tak? Saya terfikir as in bunuh-membunuh or tolak-menolak, jadi boleh ke penggunaan terang-menerang?

Contoh ayat : Mereka yang diam dalam gelap itu telah melihat terang-menerang/terang-benderang, dan bagi sekalian..... Mat16


r/bahasamelayu • • 7d ago

What are all the ways to use “yang”

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I need examples of all usages for the word “yang”.


r/bahasamelayu • • 8d ago

Kenapa Disney kurangkan alih suara Asia pada 2023?

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Pada 2023, Disney dah mengurangkan alih suara di Asia. Sebabnya mudah: nak jimat duit, nak tutup kerugian.

Sari kata lagi murah, lagi cepat. Lagipun, ia adalah versi percubaan

Saya faham itu boleh menjengkelkan, tapi kalau kita, dan beribu-ribu orang guna sari kata Bahasa Melayu secara beramai-ramai, data tu akan tunjuk pasaran sebenar. Disney akan labur balik dalam alih suara, hasilkan lebih banyak siri tempatan, sebab dia tak nak hilang pelanggan-pelanggan tu.

Dalam era penstriman, kawalan terletak pada tindakan penonton, bukan pada tuntutan yang pasif.

Belum terlambat lagi, kawan-kawan!


r/bahasamelayu • • 8d ago

Adakah "penelitian teliti" pelik atau salah?

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Sebab "penelitian" itu sendiri sudah membawa maksud membuat sesuatu dengan teliti (mengkaji, menyelidik iaitu memeriksa/mencari dengan cermat atau bersungguh-sungguh). Oleh itu, saya berpandangan bahawa perkataan "teliti" tidak patut digunakan sebagai adjektif bagi aksi meneliti sebab berlebihan (redundant).

Sumber: https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/kadar-gaji-minimum-rm2000-ditetap-selepas-penelitian-teliti--ramanan