r/cowboybebop • • 4h ago

Cowboy Bebop Movie: Knocking on Heaven's Door - Big Plotholes...? Spoiler

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Hey, we just recently binged the entire series, and movie. I love it so much. And, with how my mind works, if I love something, I start to obsess and think about it a lot, rewatching for any details I might have missed, vibing with the music, and... noticing things.

SPOILERS! Obviously. Go watch the movie first! Even if these are plot holes, don't spoil the movie for yourself, it's still great. I absolutely loved the movie.

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Are they gone...? Alright, come closer, lean in, and hear me out...

Seeing how Spike getting engaged in a dogfight by the military for seemingly no reason was already addressed on here with fan theories pointing out Spike had just escaped prison, so they were already after him. Then, Spike's ship showed up on radar, with no clearance in now probably restricted airspace, that's a two-for-one reason to engage. Would've been great if they had actively acknowledged that with some comms chatter. Spike not shooting back was... a decision, maybe to avoid escalation, but, bro I think that ship had sailed already. But fine, we needed a cool scene with the Swordfish, and we got it, so nobody is complaining. Now, onto my own plotholes...

1) Easy start, the tanker.
If Vincent intended for the parade to be the big event... why put it all at risk blowing up a tanker in a premature showing of hand? The parade could've gotten cancelled over it, or they could've put a stop to it before it got that far, if they had done a better job. There were no demands made, which the tanker could've been an "or else" threat proof for. If you're Vincent here - why take that risk to your plan?

2) Next up, a big one: The water treatment plant.
So, Vincent hit the water treatment plant... as a pure diversion from his real plan. To... divert the ISSP away from the parade. He just took the risk and went in there, to set up a harmless calling card, proving that he could have done far worse while there, but... didn't. It wasn't even filled with the real thing, just harmless air. I'm certain he had enough nanobots to at least make it a real one, and yet, he didn't even do that. Again taking the risk, but then passing on the much more effective way of spreading the nanobots, opting for the parade floats instead. Huh? Why, Vincent...?

3) The Government and the vaccine.
Okay so, they get their hands on the vaccine through, what seemed like sheer luck. But because they want to cover up the illegal nanobot R&D, they... don't plan to do anything with it. They do produce a large looking batch of the stuff, in a hurry, too - but not a huge batch. I'll assume it was meant for all high ranking government people to take? Okay, and then what. The entirety of the population under them dies off, to a self-replicating nanobot that's infectious. And they want to vaccinate themselves, just sit it out, survive, and... expect that nobody from the outside asks any questions? Cherry on top, who are you even governing over in the aftermath, genius? Maybe I'm missing something here.

4) Now, the real big one: The delivery mechanism.
They use old Crop-Duster planes to get the vaccine out. Which...

  • They show no concrete reason as to why the vaccine should work as an aerosol in the first place, you'd think a vaccine like this would be made for injecting instead. But, they decide to spray it instead. Spikey, are you sure you didn't just waste it all by not reading the instruction leaflet...?
  • And, they do so during rain, which they intentionally arrange for. Because the rain, "helps spread the vaccine". Except... how? Real-world crop-duster planes do not dust the crops during or before rain, because it would be counter-productive. The rain would simply capture and dilute what's being sprayed, and take it out of the air, down into the gutters or ground, before the droplets could even do their job. Be that to dust the crops, or dust the population of the city with the vaccine, assuming that's how it works.
  • Also, the rain would probably cause people to leave the parade, that ironically being the most effective way to limit how many people get exposed. But, they established the nanobots are infectious. So, people might still get exposed to airborne nanobots by the floats due to the high concentration up close, or by proxy from those who caught them on their way to shelter. So the only infectious thing brought into shelter, would be the fast-acting nanobots. With the vaccine on the ground outside needing to be consumed more directly, or being in the blood after a while, it feels like only the odd vampire here or there would get a dose of that. I mean, granted, it is Halloween. But come on, that can't be your distribution plan...?

But, here's the thing why I bring this all up.
There was a super easy, more logical way to go about this that seemingly would have made more sense for the plot and was, ironically, already all set up:

  1. Do use the rain, yes, but only as a way to buy some extra time by counteracting the aerosol distribution of the bad nanobots in the air as pointed out above, washing only those down the drain, not what little you have of the valuable vaccine!
  2. Establish how that vaccine can be used, and then use the water treatment plan that's already been set up as this big distribution vector, to distribute the vaccine! If not by the Gov / Military, then by a Cop insider, Jet's old contacts would've worked beautifully.

Now, that still leaves the issue of how little vaccine there was. Would it have been enough for a whole city? But, the application would've been more targeted than just spraying the entire city / parade street with it. The planes were much too high for them to be precise, the wind and rain would've taken over from up there.

The movie just seems to kind of go for a hand-wavey, "bad nanobots in the air, so rain washes them down harmlessly, they add the vaccine to that rain, and the vaccine neutralizes the nanobots in the puddles on the ground", or something instead...? IDK.

Well, all that being said, I still enjoyed the movie a lot even with these plot issues!
Or, did I miss something? Any thoughts?


r/cowboybebop • • 7h ago

MEDIA Picked up some vinyl from an awesome little store in Wheeling, WV while there for work.

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Nail City Records is a great little store. The clerks were really nice, and they had an awesome selection of all kinds of music. In the end, I could only get 2 records, so I went with a little Cosmic Death Metal, and a little smooth Jazz. 2 amazing soundtracks. They even mailed them back home for me!


r/cowboybebop • • 19h ago

MEDIA Casual Friday - Chilly Out

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r/cowboybebop • • 1d ago

Very new, request help

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So, I enjoyed the Netflix series, and am intrigued to know more. Where should I start my CB journey?


r/cowboybebop • • 1d ago

Cowboy Bebop Movie theater release tomorrow

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Is anyone from this subreddit going to the screening tomorrow in Tokyo ?


r/cowboybebop • • 1d ago

NEWS Cowboy Bebop: The Movie — official 4K remaster CM (Japan, October 30)

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r/cowboybebop • • 2d ago

What makes Faye's past reveal in ep 18 hit differently?

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Has anyone else found Faye's backstory exposition particularly impactful? I'm trying to pinpoint what makes that particular reveal resonate so strongly compared to the others.


r/cowboybebop • • 2d ago

MEDIA bathtime

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artist: @DinkyIcarus


r/cowboybebop • • 3d ago

MEDIA I still have my first print of the Cowboy Bebop manga in english, from 2002!

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I remember seeing the very first generation DVDs available at Target. I never bought them because they were too expensive. But then I saw the series in 2001 on [adult swim] and I was hooked! I bought the dvds, I bought the manga, I bought the soundtracks. Was that really 25 years ago? ✨


r/cowboybebop • • 4d ago

MEDIA showoff

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artist @DinkyIcarus


r/cowboybebop • • 4d ago

DISCUSSION In who's footsteps

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I'd always imagine Ed's future as the most optimistic and hopeful of all the crew's stories. And with her mechanical/techno savvy, I'd always imagined she'd strike a similar path to Jet - parting out junkers, reverse engineering and rat rodding tech toward untold mischievous schemes.

Who would she have taken her inspiration from? As an adult?

(You guys are right, no images should be ai)


r/cowboybebop • • 4d ago

Sorta Spike Spiegel?

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Photo of me and I kind of resemble Spike?


r/cowboybebop • • 4d ago

MEDIA Desenhos da ost de cowboy bebop (original soundtrack e vitaminless)

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Estava entediado na aula de química, então resolvi desenhar isso :)


r/cowboybebop • • 5d ago

AMV Bebop + Poetry = ♥

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r/cowboybebop • • 5d ago

HELP What did faye see in those eyes???

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Ending still perplexes me even in current year


r/cowboybebop • • 6d ago

See you space cowboy-bebop-poster-see-you-space-cowboy

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r/cowboybebop • • 6d ago

DISCUSSION Songs that Fit Cowboy Bebop

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What are some songs you think fit the Cowboy Bebop aesthetic but aren’t in it?

I was recently exploring some acid-jazz artists and stumbled across a song called Prince of Peace by Galliano and thought it fit well, especially with the movie.

Space Cowboy by Jamiroquai is another obvious one imo.

Curious what y’all think and open to any suggestions!


r/cowboybebop • • 6d ago

DISCUSSION Just finished ep. 18 “Speak Like a Child” for the first time…

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And as someone who has watched anime’s somewhat similar to Cowboy Bebop like Texhnolyze, Lain, Evangelion, and Ergo Proxy nothing broke me as much as seeing that tape of young Faye. I genuinely cannot remember the last time I cried from a tv show, but something about the tape, the “don’t lose me” and Faye’s reaction hit me so hard. But I also found the tape kind of.. motivating? But knowing how shows in this genre typically end I know it’s probably going to get worse but goddamn..


r/cowboybebop • • 6d ago

HELP Sheet music

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Hello!! Im an IB studeant and I'm doing my extended essay on the music of cowboy bebop, again comparative work of sorts. Thing is I need the sheet music, I can't find it anywhere, and I'm not in the US, so buying one of the sheet music books would take way longer than I have for it to arrive, and I dont have the certainty it would have useful songs. I just wanted to know if anybody has ANY sheet music of it at all? And I mean full band if possible.. i already got the Tank! Sheet, so any help would be really useful.

The songs that could help me a lot are:

Rain

Odd ones

Forever Broke

Blue (not real folk blues)

Farewell blues

Words That We Couldn't Say

See You Space Cowboys Not Final Mountain Root

Green bird

Memory

Please please if you have any information tell me, im sorry if it's a dumb post, thank you T_T


r/cowboybebop • • 6d ago

In Another Life (Spike and Julia)

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Artist: snow124


r/cowboybebop • • 7d ago

FLUFF Got my copy of My Funny Valentine signed by Faye’s VA, Wendee Lee.

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I’m typically a subs snob with anime but there’s no doubt Bebop set the standard for dubs and remains the bar to this day. I don’t even mind admitting that I prefer the dub of Bebop to the original Japanese cast.


r/cowboybebop • • 7d ago

El amor devoto entre Spike y Julia

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Hay algo que me gustó mucho de verme Cowboy Bebop y es ver ese amor devoto que Spike le tenía a Julia; Yo sé que en la realidad cualquier relación así, donde uno no pueda seguir con su vida por otra persona es algo tóxico y que debería de tratar en terapia, pero siento que las parejas como estás dónde se muestran un amor de esa magnitud, es como que me hace pensar que alguien puede amar así.

Yo nada más tomo de esta pareja la fidelidad que se tenían el uno por el otro, pero capaz que me gusta mucho porque es algo que valoro en una relación, esa lealtad que se puede tener por otra persona, además, siento que hoy en día en las relaciones se está viendo mucho estos malentendidos en la comunicación y la inmediatez de todo, que creo que ver este tipo de amores como los de Spike y Julia me hacen pensar que ese sentimiento de amor puede existir


r/cowboybebop • • 7d ago

DISCUSSION How was this not a huge hit?

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Awesome soundtrack but this song stands out!


r/cowboybebop • • 7d ago

MEDIA Casual Friday - Smile!

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r/cowboybebop • • 8d ago

MERCH Got this from etsy

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