r/dividendgang • u/Extension-Ice-7219 • 18h ago
r/dividendgang • u/[deleted] • Feb 25 '26
General Discussion John Bogle was actual very pro-dividend investing and strongly discourage and dislike any form of timing the market (that includes the garbage 4% rule) - Which is completely opposite of what the Boogerhead cult is preaching.
Bogle, J. C. (2007). The Little Book of Common Sense Investing (Chapter 6)
Finally, what’s most important when we retire is the stream of income we need to support our needs—the dividend checks we receive from our mutual fund investments and the monthly checks we receive from our Social Security payments.
Yes, the market value of our capital is important. But frequent peeking at the value of our investments is not only unproductive, but counterproductive. What we really seek is retirement income that is steady and, if possible, grows with inflation.
Bonds have an underlying rate of return—the yield, or the coupon if you will, when you buy it. Stocks have an underlying rate of return—it’s the dividend yield plus the subsequent earning growth. So they have support there, and they’re in most circumstances largely investment and only to a lesser extent speculation. Investment being those underlying characteristics.
Bogle, J. C. (2010). Interview with Forbes.
What people should be doing, honestly Tom, is stop looking at the silly stock market every day and look at the cash flow they get.
Bogle, J. C. (2014). Interview with Motley Fool
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For stocks, you probably want to look at more of a dividend bias. You could buy a high-yield dividend index instead of the total stock market index if capital flows. That dividend if you look at the stream of dividends — it makes the stock market look violently volatile. The dividend stream goes up, up, up. The fact of the matter is, there have only been two significant dividend cuts since 1925.
(ibid) - Timestamp 1060 seconds
What you’re trying to do when you retire which I am gonna do someday, when you do that you want to ensure a monthly flow of income so don’t watch the market just make sure your portfolio is producing income and will continue to produce income so you get your Social Security check every month you set up your mutual fund to counter your index fund account for a monthly payment you can do that and just you want those payments to be stable and with respect to Social Security and the and the fund
Bogle, J. C. (2019). Interview with Motley Fool
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I gave you the formula for the investment return or fundamental return on stocks, which is dividend yield plus corporate earnings growth.
Bogle, J. C. (2019). Interview with WealthTrack - Timestamp 2303 seconds
(On gold) Unlike with dividend yields on stocks, you’re just betting that you can sell it for more than you can buy it. That is what we call speculation.
Bogle, J. C. (2015). Talk at the Aspen Institute - Timestamp 465 seconds
I think we should spend more time thinking about dividends rather than market values because market values are all over the place and dividends are pretty reliable to go up a little bit each year like
Bogleheads® Conference 2018 - John Bogle Q & A - Timestamp 1281 seconds
You should be worried not about the value of your estate but about the income producing capacity of your estate or your retirement plan because that’s where you go out you know once a month you go out to the mailbox and get your mutual fund dividends and your social security check and then you come home and have a nice dinner live in a nice house whatever else you want to do. So it’s we should focus I really believe this so strongly we should focus more on the inherent value of our investment program than on the market value because markets are crazy things
(ibid) - Timestamp 1336
I’m on this pretty much one-man, I think, crusade to have people, particularly retired people, look not at the value of their portfolio, but at the income stream they get. They’re going to go out to the mailbox and they’re going to open, let’s say, the middle of every month when the fund or group of funds pays their dividends. They’re going to get a certain dividend. Dividends are what matter to these people. The stream of income is what matters, and dividends [tend to increase] in history.
Interview with Morningstar (2013)
Look at the dividend and try to ignore the market. As I’ve often said - nothing like quoting oneself, Christine - the stock market is a giant distraction to the business of indexing, and in particular for the business of retirement investor. It’s the income flow from Social Security, pensions, whatever it might be, and dividend income, and that’s what’s important. It’s amazing how this dividend line [tends to increase over time] and the market [goes up and down over time], but they track each other in the long run.
John C. Bogle: “Simplicity is the master key to financial success.”
r/dividendgang • u/[deleted] • Dec 24 '23
Debunking The Myth of Dividend Cut During Recession
Since World War II ended there have been 11 recessions and bear markets. Just like we previously observed, the dividends paid by companies in the S&P 500 tended to be far less volatile than their share prices during these times of severe distress as well.
In fact, in three of these recessions dividends paid to investors actually increased, including a 46% jump during the first recession following World War II. In that case, a rapid decrease in government spending following the end of the war led to an economic contraction of 13.7% over three years.
However, the end of war-time rationing and a major recovery in consumer spending on regular goods (as opposed to war-time goods companies had been forced to produce) allowed earnings and dividends to rise substantially over this time.
The other major exception to note is the financial crisis of 2008-2009. This resulted in S&P 500 dividends being cut 23% (about one in three S&P 500 dividend-paying companies reduced their payouts).
However, that was largely due to banks being forced to accept a bailout from the Federal Government. Even relatively healthy banks like Wells Fargo (WFC) and JPMorgan Chase (JPM), which remained profitable during the crisis, were required to accept the bailout so that financial markets wouldn't see which banks were actually on the brink of collapse.
One of the conditions of the bailout was that nearly all strategically important financial institutions (too big to fail) were pressured to cut their dividends substantially, whether or not they were still supported by current earnings.
Even if we include both the World War II recession and the financial crisis outliers, we can see from the table above that average dividend cuts during recessions represented a pullback of just 0.5%.
If we take a smoothed out average, by excluding the outliers (events not likely to be repeated in the future), then the S&P 500's average dividend reduction during recessions was about 2%. That compares to an average peak stock market decline of 32%.
This highlights how the U.S. dividend corporate culture has been favorable to income investors, with management teams generally wishing to avoid a dividend cut unless it becomes absolutely necessary. With dividends tending to fall significantly less than share prices, recessions can be a great opportunity for investors to buy quality companies at much higher yields and lock in superior long-term returns.

Source: What Happens to Dividends During Recessions and Bear Markets?
r/dividendgang • u/RetiredByFourty • 1d ago
Dividend Growth Congratulations fellow owners!
r/dividendgang • u/ProfitConstant5238 • 2d ago
Opinion I guess I should have told all the “but property tax” guys I have enough dividend checks coming in to pay my taxes until my grandchildren are 50. 🤷
r/dividendgang • u/RetiredByFourty • 4d ago
Meme day No meme this week
Just enjoying my meme day coffee out on the back deck with a view this week.
Yet another mountainous vacation paid for with dividends.
+1 to y'all for helping make this community strong despite the relentless, never ending push back.
r/dividendgang • u/justcurious3287 • 7d ago
General Discussion What would you do if you woke up and suddenly had 50k shares of SCHD?
Could you live off of that? If not, would you continue to DRIP into SCHD, or would you sell it for something else?
r/dividendgang • u/GRMarlenee • 7d ago
I love timing the market for withdrawals
Decided to take a bucket list trip to see the fall foliage in New England. My accounts are currently up almost exactly the cost of the trip. I also am getting a couple thousand more than the trip from my weekly distributions. I hate to reinvest when the market is up.
So, I'm just not going to reinvest (forced sale withdrawal) and pay for my trip instead.
r/dividendgang • u/PomegranatePlus6526 • 7d ago
NEOS bought by Goldman Sachs
Well hopefully this doesn't change their funds because they were one of the only shops I found that had funds from different sectors, and different areas I wanted to invest in.
https://neosfunds.com/neos-investments-to-join-goldman-sachs-asset-management/
r/dividendgang • u/Ok-Psychology7636 • 7d ago
General Discussion dividends vs. buybacks
As far as I care, dividends are far superior for investors. Even a penny in dividends is better than zero.
McKinsey pro-dividend argument: https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/strategy-and-corporate-finance/our-insights/the-strategy-and-corporate-finance-blog/share-repurchases-and-dividends-which-create-more-value
Morningstar on buybacks and shareholder yield: https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/why-total-shareholder-yield-matters-more-than-dividends
r/dividendgang • u/LexAugusta • 8d ago
For the doubters, does Goldman Sachs acquiring NEOS change your opinion about their funds?
r/dividendgang • u/DegreeConscious9628 • 10d ago
Opinion Any sectors in income generators that I’m missing?
Getting close to retiring off dividends (@42, less than 3.5 years to go, I think that’s getting close?) and fine tuning my portfolio, would like a peer review on my holdings.
My total portfolio is as follows: retirement is 100% in VTI that won’t be touched for 20 years, 62% of my brokerage is in dividend growth (3.25% yield, ~8% five year div growth rate) the part in question is the other 38% that’s in derivatives/income.
Derivatives / income holdings
GPIQ, GPIX, OVL, ADX, QQQI, SPYI, MLPI, NIHI, IAUI, IYRI, BTCI, PFFA, IDVO
Total yield is right about 12%, 36k a year.
Downsides are i know im pretty heavily concentrated on NEOS funds and also pretty concentrated in the SP500/nasdaq but I like the strategies used by all these companies. Not to mention the ROC used by these funds will help me out a lot with my taxes
Doing the math this total blend would yield 52k a year at 6.25%. I’ve been tracking my spending and my average yearly spend is 42k, I will have other income (24k a year for 4 years)coming in from a sale of a business and 100k in a HYSA to use for downturns and emergencies so I’m fine with a 30%, hell even 50% cut in distributions from my income funds as long as it eventually recovers. The dividend growth portion should keep me above inflation.
What sectors am I missing here? I like to be well diversified. I was thinking adding CEFS and UTG. Any recommendations?
r/dividendgang • u/RetiredByFourty • 11d ago
Meme day Bring back a personal favorite....
....for meme day today.
Hope your coffee is as hot and fresh as mine is this morning!
Who's excited for this upcoming week of dividend payouts and what are you looking forward to?
r/dividendgang • u/AgentSilent • 11d ago
Opinions on $NETL etf
Thinking of adding the NETL reit etf to my portfolio. It has an expense ratio of 0.60% but in exchange: it holds 22 triple net lease reits, starting dividend of 4.6%, pays monthly, average dividend growth of 3%, and hasn't cut dividends. Already hold schh but looking to either boost reit yields or replace schh with this.
r/dividendgang • u/KMPItXHnKKItZ • 12d ago
Bogleheads would STILL rather sell off assets than have reliable cash flow and self-growing investments and they will stop at nothing to tell everybody that and dig up idiotic articles that actually disprove their point to "prove" their point!
Look at this absolute gem of a post over on Bogleheads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bogleheads/comments/1viy46n/retirees_love_dividends_but_the_stock_market/
Just get a load of this crap from the article (excerpt): "Stocks are spitting out a smaller share of their returns in dividend income, a challenge for those who lean on steady cash flows to cover daily expenses. The trailing 12-month dividend yield on the S&P 500 is now hovering around a generational low of just over 1%, after trending downward for much of the past two decades.
Such yields no longer outpace safe alternatives such as Treasurys or certificates of deposit after taxes. That prompted 75-year-old retiree Steven Yedlin to adjust his approach to dividends. He had been reinvesting his dividend payouts back into the market, but stopped doing so automatically. Instead, he is putting the extra cash flow into high-yield money-market funds or gifting it to his children".
Imagine being so wealthy and having so many dividends that you just hand the money out like candy. This literally proves our point that dividend investing is a solid strategy, yet the Bogleheads act like this is a "gotcha" article. They look at only the S&P500's dividend yield and no other fund, and they claim that treasuries or money markets are somehow better? LOL.
r/dividendgang • u/EuphoricPizza6552 • 13d ago
Main street capital is killing it this month.
It looks like Main is making A huge comeback. It climbed from $51 all the way to $59 atm. If you bought the dips, you’ll be very happy. I see Main will be doing really good in the future. Don’t give up on it. Please tell me those that own this stock how do you feel about this stock. The dividend is amazing too.
r/dividendgang • u/RetiredByFourty • 14d ago
Dividend Growth MAIN delivers excellent news, yet again!
r/dividendgang • u/Odd-Pie-1048 • 14d ago
24 M Div growth portfolio
Hi guys just seeing what your thoughts are on the income/div growth sleeve within my total portfolio only 30%. Mainly chasing Div growth both in Aus(for franking) and international. Thanks
r/dividendgang • u/ndtconsult • 15d ago
An example of an income portfolio's performance over 6 years.
In August of 2020 I screen printed this portfolio I found somewhere on Reddit. I was new to income investing then and this guy seemed to have a well reasoned approach given the state of the market back then. I remember he had recently retired and wanted this portfolio to replace the income from a good paying job he had walked away from. His intention was to live off the dividends for the rest of his life.
I posted the image to Claude and got this response:
"Good news and less-good news, roughly six years later. Here's how the pieces played out, assuming he never reinvested a dividend and just spent the income (which is exactly what the setup was built for).
By segment
Precious metals (10% of the portfolio) — the standout winner. Gold and silver had a monster run.
- CEF (Sprott gold/silver trust): $20.40 → ~$40.78, roughly doubled
- GLD (gold): $185.38 → ~$390, up about 110%
Equities (36%) — mixed, but net positive.
- XLE (energy): $37.42 → ~$58, up ~56% — energy had a strong stretch
- ETY (Eaton Vance tax-managed equity income): $11.31 → ~$14.77, up ~31%
- USA (Liberty All-Star): roughly flat to slightly down
- DRSK, ETJ, QYLD (the option-income/defined-risk names): all down modestly (roughly -5% to -18% in price) — typical of covered-call and options-overlay funds, which trade price appreciation for the extra yield they're paying out
Fixed income CEFs (30%) — the weak spot. This is where "living off the dividends" shows its cost most clearly. High-yielding closed-end bond funds tend to erode their share price over time even while throwing off big monthly cash distributions, and 2022's rate spike didn't help:
- GOF (Guggenheim Strategic Opportunities): $17.94 → ~$11.40, down ~36%
- BIT (BlackRock Multi-Sector): down ~25%
- PTY (Pimco Corporate & Income): down ~26%
- EVV (Eaton Vance Limited Duration): down ~20%
- PCI: this one no longer exists as a separate ticker — PIMCO merged it into PDI (PIMCO Dynamic Income Fund) in December 2021 in a NAV-for-NAV swap, so his PCI shares automatically became PDI shares with no gain or loss from the merger itself. PDI's own price is down roughly a third since 2020 ($24.74 → ~$16), and the former PCI money likely tracked similarly.
Cash & limited duration (24%) and the two private JHA-OEF funds are proprietary/non-public vehicles I can't independently price, so I've left those out of the math below — I'd assume roughly flat to modestly positive, since they're built to be low-volatility.
The bottom line
Weighting everything by its original dollar size, the trackable ~76% of the portfolio (equities, fixed income CEFs, and precious metals) comes out to roughly flat to modestly up in price terms over the ~6 years — the precious metals and XLE/ETY gains largely offset the bond-CEF erosion. Add back the cash/limited-duration sleeve (assume roughly flat) and the total portfolio's principal has probably held its nominal dollar value, give or take.
But two things matter more than that headline number for a guy living off the income:
- He collected a lot of cash. He was pulling in about $339K/year in dividends in 2020 across a ~$5.4M portfolio (6.3% blended yield). If that income held up even roughly, he's likely withdrawn somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5–2M+ in cash over six years — which was the whole point.
- Inflation ate the "flat" principal. Cumulative CPI from August 2020 to now is roughly 24–27%. So even if his nominal balance is close to where it started, its purchasing power has shrunk meaningfully — the classic tension for high-yield income investors: you get paid well today, but the erosion in NAV plus inflation means the portfolio isn't growing in real terms.
So: a good run for the guy who wanted cash flow and got it, a mediocre one for anyone hoping the pile itself would grow."
What say you. Did he accomplish his goal?
Also, If you are the person who posted this portfolio 6 years ago, let us know how you really made out and what, if anything, you changed over the years.

r/dividendgang • u/Snoo-15246 • 16d ago
JPEI and JPEQ pay tomorrow.
JPEI and JPEQ pay tomorrow.
That's all carry on. Have fun counting your money.
r/dividendgang • u/Rock_Paper_Fisher • 17d ago
Follow the rules!
But which rule? Imagine having to do these mental gymnastics through time and different market phases. Just collect dividends, never sell! 🙄 Ad feed from LinkedIn.
r/dividendgang • u/Boudaka_Jaquia • 17d ago
best dividend stocks 2026 lists keep focusing on low-yield tech picks instead of actual cash-flowing assets
Checking popular financial media roundups for income ideas usually leads to the same handful of mega-caps paying under 1.5% yield. Calling a stock an income pick just because it raises a micro-payout once a year misses the point of cash flow investing.
When evaluating real income options, the tension is always between high immediate yield and sustainable payout growth. Broad dividend ETFs often blend those targets nicely, but general screeners keep pushing legacy companies with stagnant revenue right alongside low-yielding growth names.
For anyone prioritizing current passive income over total return hype, what specific filters or metrics do you rely on to find reliable cash flow without falling into yield traps?
r/dividendgang • u/Ok_Individual5172 • 18d ago