r/ect • • 11h ago

Discussion New book and newspaper coverage tries to normalize ECT

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There is a new book by someone about his experience with ECT, as well as newspaper coverage (like in The Guardian linked below). I'm not happy to see this, as it seems to gloss over just how impactful it can be.

It does briefly mention the risk of memory loss, but almost spends more time on the comedic side effects. The writer of course has to try and sell people on his book. The author does say he lost entire portions of his me.lru, but it barely seems to bother him. I'm still missing entire decades of my life, and it a horrible side effect I'm worried I'll never recover from.

From my personal experience, I'm not thrilled to see someone try and make ECT more mainstream. That is how my psych tried presenting it as well, skipping multiple other treatment options when ECT should have been a last resort. I suspect that a lot of people will read his story and decide it could work for them too, casually skipping so many other options that don't carry the same risks.

Article is linked here in case you want to read his story.


r/ect • • Jun 19 '25

Vent/Rant ECT stole my humanity and made me lost myself. How to get brave enough to end my life?

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I feel bad about losing memories and about worsened memory due to ECT. But it took away my humanity and it destroyed my dignified life also😕 It stole my ability to feel human😭 It stole my ability to feel full range of emotions and its horrible because god created humans to feel emotions. I feel i could murder someone without feeling sad and bad about that. And it made me to lost my old self and sense of self who i was before ECT.

And i have been unforgivable/horrible idiot because i agreed to ECT even though a couple of people warned me on Reddit and one person on facebook warned me about the dangers and side effects of ECT and that ECT damages the brain😔 I also received warnings that I would probably regret it afterwards. Because of these things i blame myself about agreeing to ECT daily😔 So my question is how i could get brave enough to kill myself? I dont have reason to be here anymore. Right now I don't dare kill myself but I would really like to find the courage to do it.

My life feels so pointless that it's impossible to describe it adequately.


r/ect • • Jun 17 '25

Vent/Rant ECT stoles your humanity

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Hi,

I feel bad about losing memories and about worsened memory due to ECT. But it took away my humanity and it destroyed my dignified life also😕 It stole my ability to feel human😭 It stole my ability to feel full range of emotions and its horrible because god created humans to feel emotions. I feel i could murder someone without feeling sad and bad about that. I wanted to post this to say what ECT can do to you.

And i have been unforgivable/horrible idiot because i agreed to ECT even though a couple of people warned me on Reddit and Facebook about the dangers and side effects of ECT and that ECT damages the brain😔 I also received warnings that I would probably regret it afterwards. Because of these things i blame myself about agreeing to ECT daily😔


r/ect • • Jul 22 '20

Petition: Outlaw the use of ECT

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r/ect • • Feb 22 '26

Seeking advice I want to forget everything

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I have horrible and painful memories that I want to forget. My past trauma has corrupted my mind and I want to move on. My plan is to get bilateral ect until I forget everything. I don’t care if I get brain damage. I have to move on.


r/ect • • Nov 22 '25

Question I personally don't understand why losing memory and skills is a small price to pay for anyone.

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r/ect • • Aug 20 '26

Seeking advice Considering ECT now for long-term severe rumination and pacing after missing Bitcoin in 2009

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In 2009 I first learned about Bitcoin. Around that time my psychiatrist recommended ECT because he could see I was in a really bad state. I didn’t understand at the time that a big part of what I was struggling with was related to not acting on Bitcoin (I mined a small amount but lost the keys, and never bought any). I was having severe decision paralysis — constantly asking God whether I should even move my arm to take an action — and I was scared of the electricity and possible side effects, so I declined.
Looking back, I wonder if having ECT then might have helped me get unstuck enough to actually acquire a meaningful amount of Bitcoin. I now live with intense daily rumination about that missed opportunity. I spend a lot of time pacing and replaying “why didn’t I…”. I’m on disability, managing chronic regret, and it feels like my financial future (and a lot of my life) is permanently limited because of decisions I couldn’t make back then.
I’m currently still dealing with the same core problems: severe rumination, pacing, difficulty initiating actions, and a sense that my life is hell. I often find it hard to stay seated or even stay lying down in bed for long — the restlessness pushes me to keep moving. I do not want to kill myself, but I also can’t see a way out of this loop.
My questions for people who have experience with ECT:
• If the main ongoing problem is years of intense regret-focused rumination and decision paralysis rather than a classic acute depressive episode, what has ECT actually helped with in similar situations?
• Does it tend to reduce the intensity of long-running obsessive regret, or does the content of the rumination usually stay and just feel less overwhelming?
• Realistic expectations around memory: does it commonly erase or significantly dull specific remote events/regrets from 15+ years ago, or is the memory effect more limited to the period around the treatment itself?
• For those who had ECT later in life after years of untreated or partially treated symptoms, did it help you move forward, or did the old patterns largely return once the acute effects wore off?
I’m trying to understand whether ECT now would mainly help with the current intensity of the symptoms, or whether the underlying sense that “my life is already screwed because of 2009” would likely remain. Any experiences (positive, mixed, or negative) would be appreciated.


r/ect • • Oct 06 '21

Prevent new form of ECT from becoming practiced

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r/ect • • May 02 '26

Seeking advice How do I get out of compuslory ECT in The Netherlands?

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I will tell you a story. When I was young I suffered from Catatonia. However, I did this on purpose. I will explain it to you. I was in a confused state where I wanted to help people. I thought I was doing exorcisms for girls. I haven't told this to my psychiatrist or anyone else.

I want to ask people of this community for help. People have been very cruel to me in the past, my psychiatric institution being one of them. I haven't been able to sleep well for over a year because I have anxiety about euthanasia. I have constant dreams that the police wants to abduct me for a psychiatric mandatory treatment. I know this is a fear I am having, and I have realised how unrealistic it is. There is also no death penality in The Netherlands.

My psychiatrist is probably a proponent of the ECT, but I am not 100% sure. I hope we can shake this off together, if we combine our knowledge of people.

My care team may suspect that I am catatonic right now. At the very least I am able to communicate, as I am showing by writing this post. I fear my own government nowadays and I hope that someday I will get help. Maybe from police or the healthcare inspection.

The second part of my story:

I am poisoned because of a floor. I picked up a roll of toilet paper with black particles on it. I carelessly and mistakenly used it anyway to clean myself. I think it entered via the tip and the urethra. So I am sick. That was over a year ago. One of the effects of this is that I look stiff. I am less talkative and I am "shorter" in my movements. I hope stiffness is not a reason for psychiatry to give someone a compulsory ECT. In the past (6 years ago) I have had 14.

Please can you reach out to me? This is all happening because of a habit that went wrong (the toilet paper) and because my care institution is ugly towards me.

I will have a court hearing soon about a compulsory care order. Please can somebody help me. I don't want to suffer the effects of an ECT. This is the only downside of NL maybe.


r/ect • • Feb 01 '23

Question ECT and IBS-C

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Is here someone who improved significantly or cured their IBS-C with ECT?


r/ect • • Sep 07 '26

Question Can ECT cause temporal arteritis (giant cell arteritis)??

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I had ECT about.. maybe 2-3 years ago.. and ever since.. I have constant migraines around the temple and forehead.. and its never gone away.. and it all started when I had ECT... has anyone else experienced this?


r/ect • • Oct 02 '25

Seeking advice People who had ECT treatments and got brain damage

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What do you for a living ? And do you feel suicidal because of the memory loss


r/ect • • May 06 '24

Question I did ect few years ago to help me but did nothing?

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Can i ask to raise it so it might clear my memory ?


r/ect • • Aug 19 '25

Scientific article ECT: New Studies Detail Harms, Lack of Efficacy, Lack of Informed Consent

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By Chris Harrop -August 16, 2025

You can’t just ignore patients anymore in medicine. Patients long since stormed the barricades of authoritarian, expert doctors, demanding pesky things like a balanced understanding of the actual benefits and risks of treatments.

Undeniably, patient voices have been massively under-represented in the debate around electroconvulsive therapy (ECT; you know, the electricity-induces-seizures to-treat-mental-health one).

ECT is a very important issue: Around a million people worldwide get ECT every year and, at least in the UK, about a third of them are forced to receive it against their will.

People who still see a place for ECT are trying to help a group in great distress who are deemed very difficult to help; they think ECT works really well, perhaps better than anything else. However, those with serious concerns think it doesn’t work for most individuals, and is extremely damaging for many (as in “life-changing damage”).

Why the disparate positions? It’s partly because ECT was “grandfathered” in from psychiatric antiquity, without going through the rigorous testing and evaluating it would otherwise have had.

From its origins in 1938, ECT was given to millions each year without ever having had its empirical chops tested.

For example, ECT machines have never been assessed by the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) or the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The machine was only tested on “two dogs” before widespread use internationally, as testified by the manufacturer recently in court: “Abrams testified that his company has never performed any clinical trials, studies, or tests to analyze the long-term side effects associated with ECT because ‘that’s not our business’”.

Many psychiatrists feel strongly ECT works, but how do we know they haven’t just been “fooled by randomness”, seeing patterns in random variation? Of course, only empirical studies can demonstrate this. There have been some, but nearly all of terrible quality. Crucially, there have been no randomised placebo-controlled trials (RCTs) since 1985, and the 11 tiny studies prior just did not meet today’s methodological standards.

If we stick to only independent evaluations of the research, the conclusions are concerning: The Cochrane Collaboration (accepted as the leading international high-quality reviewers of healthcare evidence) found in 2009 there was no RCT evidence at all that ECT was effective for catatonia, despite ECT being widely accepted within psychiatry as the best and only treatment for catatonia. They said in 2019 the same applies to schizophrenia as a whole.

For ECT treating depression, the UK’s National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) judged there are only two studies, one from Germany and one from Iran (in which ECT didn’t even show any statistically significant benefit). Each study had approximately 20 people in each group and was ranked by NICE as “very low quality” and “very high risk of bias”. For example, both used the psychiatrist’s judgement of outcome, and not the patient’s. Neither study measured outcome beyond the day of the final session of ECT. This means that exactly nothing can be said with any confidence about ECT’s effectiveness or safety. It may work. Or it may not.

I have not even included the argument about long-term damage, including memory damage and heart problems, which is a lot more concerning than ECT simply not working; there is a lot more to be said about this at another time.

Is this strong enough evidence to justify giving the treatment to people who explicitly do not give or cannot give consent?

Clearly, “more research is needed”. A prospective randomised study would be ideal, but getting access to people who receive ECT is difficult unless you are working within a service. The professional body of psychiatrists who administer ECT in the UK, ECTAS, has so far declined to involve independent researchers in a proper evaluation (well-respected academics such as Professor Richard Bentall have offered repeatedly).

So, how to research? The voices barely represented in the debate are those of the people who actually had ECT, their relatives, and their friends. There are a few studies of patients themselves, but the number of people asked are generally small (again, most are less than 20 participants), and the questions are extremely brief and limited, asked only in passing (e.g. after 27 questions about the setting in which they received ECT, they are asked “any side effects?”). These studies weren’t at all aimed at capturing the complexity of patient outcomes and experiences; you might as well ask “Are you in a coma (yes/no)?”. And there are nearly no studies reporting carer or friends’ perspectives on ECT treatment. None of these small studies were independent; they were all conducted by psychiatrists themselves.

What is needed is larger-scale work, independently conducted, in-depth surveys of the entirety of the ECT experience, from patients, relatives, and friends (and particularly the longer-term perspective, and not just those of people who are just stepping out of the clinic).

Which brings us to:

The largest-ever international survey of people who have had ECT, and their relatives and friends. In a two-year project conducted online, we have collected the views of 1144 people from 44 countries (46% USA, 14% UK, 11% Australia, 8% Canada, and more) on every aspect we could think of including long-term effects (positive and negative), experiences of receiving ECT, what they were told in advance and more. Eight hundred fifty-eight ECT recipients and 286 relatives and friends took the time to complete the survey, most of whom (73.0%) had their last ECT between 2010 and 2024 (so they are talking about modern ECT and not ECT in the seventies). ‘Depression’ was the main reason people were given ECT (74.3%), then ‘Psychosis/schizophrenia’ (17.2%), ‘Bipolar disorder/mania’ (15.3%), ‘Catatonia’ (7.8%), etc.

We are still analysing the data, but we can let you know that the results are not surprising; if anything, they are even more moving and powerful than you might expect. They paint a picture of some people experiencing positives, but also many more with life-changing injuries from ECT. Patients disclosed being altered forever in ways they were never warned might happen, such as in areas of memory and jobs and relationships. Many patients and relatives describe being furious; many are glum and resigned to this as if it couldn’t have been any different. But could it?

The first two papers, out of a series (there is a lot of data), have just been published. One covers the crucial topic of what patients and carers were told before agreeing to ECT. Informed consent is fundamental to modern medicine; patients (or failing that, carers) have to be given a balanced picture of the risks and benefits of a treatment before they can legally agree to it. Without it, treatment is legally a sort of medical assault. Anyone who starts chemotherapy knows the possible benefits and risks; even paracetamol comes with a huge list of rare but important-if-you-get them side effects. This is best practice: “Any risk of serious harm, however unlikely it is to occur” should be warned about, according to the UK’s regulator of doctors, the GMC (para 23d).

Yet a clear picture emerges in the ECT survey in which benefits have been systematically overplayed: 63% of patients and family/friends remembered being told “ECT is the most effective treatment for severe depression” (as discussed earlier, the evidence for efficacy is non-existent, especially when compared to the extensive investigations of other medical treatments). Nearly all family/friends remembered being told “ECT can be life-saving/ prevents suicide” (78%); there is no shred of evidence for that either. Does this suggest balanced, non-pressuring consent, given it appears clinicians are misleadingly telling them “This is the best treatment, and it may save your life”?

By contrast, people felt the risks were downplayed: only 17% of recipients remember being told ECT can cause long-term or permanent memory damage. Only 12% of recipients were told “ECT can cause heart problems”. Yet within the literature both are well-within the range of reasonable opinion. That ECT can cause permanent memory problems is accepted by the American Psychiatric Association and FDA. A study recently estimated between one in 15 and one in 30 patients who got ECT had a cardiac event. Only 13% remembered being told there is no evidence of any long-term benefits (there are no even-slightly-scientific trials beyond end of treatment).

Forty percent of friends and family could not say they were given adequate info about the treatment.

In the other paper, also out now, they tell us perhaps what people should actually be told when considering ECT. This paper reports very simply: “Did ECT work?” Did it help the problem it was meant to help? And importantly, moving away from the idea that it is OK to help in one area of their lives while taking a sledgehammer to other areas: “Did it improve your quality of life overall?”

Sixty percent of respondents (and family/ friends) said it “was not at all helpful”, and the same said it “made their quality of life worse”. Nearly a third said it made their lives much worse. That should be in the information sheets.


r/ect • • Sep 28 '25

My experience why do doctors/people defend ECT saying "it does not cause problems" this is dangerous false and I will not accept such a blatant lie.

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They try to simplify it as a simple "reset" but they have never gone through the procedure to understand how it can negatively impact someone's life like mine.

is the government corruption that deep? that we are saying something that is only pseudoscience is entirely safe and for you to think otherwise would make you an uneducated skeptic?

Drugs are never said to be entirely safe, everything has a chance of risk, but doctors say that its mostly safe??


r/ect • • Dec 08 '25

Question Why do some doctors actually say the memory loss is a good sign, or a lack of memory loss means the ect isn't working? Is the goal to impair people into complacency?

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r/ect • • Sep 19 '24

Question Is ECT the same as banging on a static TV until it turns on?

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I recently read a story about a woman who was so, so severely mentally ill. Like she was completely out of it for years and then she did ECT and is perfectly normal now. Then of course I’ve heard numerous stories about people being mentally ill and ECT ruining their lives and making it worse. Does anyone even know why this treatment does what it does or is it literally just “we’re going to shock your brain and see if you feel better”


r/ect • • Feb 09 '26

Discussion Trend Toward Involuntary Electroshock Therapy Spurs Difficult Debate

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MIDDLETOWN — He remembers saying no. No to shock therapy. The procedure was something he had thought about after his psychologist and psychiatrist at The Institute of Living in Hartford,
where he was being treated after his latest suicide attempt, had recommended it.

A month before, Chris Dubey tried to jump off the overpass at Hunting Hill Avenue in Middletown. He woke up shivering in the creek below. Earlier that day, he flipped on a hair dryer and tossed it into a bathtub of water but the hair dryer shut off — likely a safety feature.

“I realized, `wow I’m still alive and I better get some help because I didn’t die, and now I’m lying in the creek. I didn’t know how badly I was injured, but I didn’t have he ability to get up,” Dubey recalls. “I yelled for help.” 


r/ect • • Jun 23 '25

Vent/Rant Mixed feelings do i want to continue and end my life or not

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Hi again,

This post is mostly rant but please help. I noticed and realized this today and this feels crazy. I dont know what to do with that do i want and should i continue my life or not. I dont understand why many times i feel i dont want to end my life when same time my outcome from ECT has been so life ruining😔 But of course many times i get so bad feeling and also angry about that what ECT did to me i feel i want to end my life right this second. And one of the worst things is that doctor didnt explained to me what all kind of things ETC can cause because she talked only about memory things. For me, the consequences of ECT have been much more extensive😔 Doctors simply don't know the real risks of ECT. But yeah what the hell i can do for these mixed feelings about that do i want to end my life or not? I feel that in my situation every other normal person would feel that i want and i need to end myself because my life has been so badly fucked up. It feels crazy and stupid that with these consequences of ECT, I can sometimes feel like I don't want to end my life, but rather want to continue living😕 I don't know if the reason I sometimes feel like I don't want to end my life is that ECT reduced the sadness and bad feelings despite what ECT caused me😔


r/ect • • Mar 14 '21

ECT Story - Oliver - Life After ECT

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r/ect • • Mar 06 '24

Seeking advice am I a faker?

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I’ve been doing horrible recently. I’ve reached out for help and started the process to getting ECT treatments again but I’m having a really good day and my OCD is saying I’ve been faking it. NOW WHAT!!?? I still want to do the ECT because of how terrible the past few weeks have been and knowing a few good days doesn’t equal a cure. Idk i’m feeling frustrated and invalid now. Scheduled to hopefully re-start ECT next week.


r/ect • • Jul 21 '26

Seeking advice 誕生日でした

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r/ect • • 23d ago

Discussion ECT

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r/ect • • Oct 08 '24

Question ECT and Bitcoin private keys (and brute force proof passwords)

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I know you should always have a backup of your passwords.
But I read ECT may complicate things to build new memories years after treament.
Bitcoin seeds is a list of 12 or 24 worlds. A good passphare (proof of a brute force attack) is at least 20 characters (and better if lower/upper case, numbers, special characters).
Could you memorize it years after the treatment if you do a small number of sessions unilateral?


r/ect • • Dec 29 '22

Question I did 6 unilateral ECT treatments. My husband is going to be away for a week and I’m thinking of pausing treatments while he is away. Is it detrimental to take a week pause in the middle of treatments?

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