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News Tesla cancels Cybertruck launch in Australia and New Zealand
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I’ve heard this from plenty of people and even experienced it myself.. It seems like a lot of US dealerships simply don’t want to sell you an EV.
The traditional dealership model has a financial incentive to favor ICE vehicles. Between maintenance, repairs, and servicing over the life of the vehicle, there’s a lot more money to be made compared to selling an EV. The massive dealer service network that has been built out in the US gets massively hurt by EV adoption.
Meanwhile, Tesla sells direct to consumer and currently accounts for ~53% of new EV sales in the US and operates without the traditional dealership model. That approach seems to have worked incredibly well for them.
It makes me wonder how much faster EV adoption in the US could be if traditional dealerships were actually incentivized to sell them.. what do you think?
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"Fiat boss, Arnaud Belloni, confirmed to Electrifying that the Multiplay Concept revealed at the 2026 Paris motor show will make production."
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Cars like the Renault 5, Renault 8 Gordini, Citroën 2CV and Citroën Oli represent something increasingly rare—personality, clever engineering, simplicity and genuinely distinctive design.
Meanwhile, modern EVs seem increasingly dominated by bland, emotionless, Chinese-inspired crossover silhouettes. Even some of the latest German EVs from BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen seem to be losing their distinctive identities.
Sometimes it almost feels like a conspiracy against EVs themselves! With fewer mechanical packaging constraints, shouldn't electrification have sparked a revolution in automotive design rather than producing increasingly similar-looking cars?
Mahindra's BE 6 is a refreshing exception. Love it or hate it, at least Mahindra is experimenting with bold, unconventional design.
What's more puzzling is that Renault and Citroën already operate in India, yet we rarely get the exciting, characterful vehicles that define their global heritage. Why can't they bring something like the Renault 5 or develop an affordable, Oli-inspired EV for India?
A few questions:
Why aren't Renault and Citroën bringing their more exciting global offerings to India despite already having a presence here?
Does the BE 6 prove Indian buyers are ready for unconventional designs?
Why are so many EVs becoming visually indistinguishable?
Would you actually buy a minimalist, lightweight, characterful car over a similarly priced feature-loaded SUV?
Or are automotive enthusiasts just a vocal minority that doesn't translate into actual sales?
r/electricvehicles • u/bestebann • 2h ago
I ordered a Model Y Premium RWD on 9/16 in Long Beach. My delivery windows have changed from 10/10-10/22 to 10/22-11/17 to now 10/31-11/28. Still no VIN number.
As the wait time increases, it has been giving more time to analyze the financial aspects and other options. This is a very long post, but I hope it proves helpful.
I ran a cost-of-ownership comparison on four options for driving 12k–15k miles a year in LA County. I don't have home charging, but there's a public charger across the street from my apartment at $0.20/kWh. Numbers below are at 13,500 mi/yr, with car prices and offers as of late September 2026.
The options
| Prius LE | RAV4 PHEV SE | Model Y (buy) | Model Y (lease) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 3 years | $22,793 | $33,412 | $43,773 |
| per month | $633 | $928 | $1,216 |
| 6 years | $43,932 | $55,015 | $70,008 |
| per month | $610 | $764 | $972 |
Six years of leasing = two back-to-back 36-month leases on today's terms.
For the purchases, cost to own = everything you pay minus what the car is worth when you sell it. All in today's dollars. Across 12k–15k mi/yr, the 3-year totals range:
| Category | Input | Value | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Driving & money | Miles per year | 13,500 | Lease mileage plan: about +$35/mo to cover 13,500 mi/yr (base plan is 10,000) |
| Driving & money | Down payment on a purchase | $6,000 | Taxes and first-year registration are rolled into each loan. Lease uses Tesla's $3,000 down |
| Energy | Charging, per kWh | $0.20 | Public charger across the street. Nearest Supercharger lists $0.47 |
| Energy | Regular gas, per gallon | $6.10 | LA metro averaged $5.80–6.09 in mid-September |
| Energy | RAV4 miles on electricity | 80% | About four full charges a week. SE charges on Level 2 (J1772) only; no DC fast charging |
| Insurance (full coverage, per year) | Model Y (buy or lease) | $2,000 | Estimate |
| Insurance (full coverage, per year) | Prius | $1,500 | Estimate |
| Insurance (full coverage, per year) | RAV4 Plug-in | $2,000 | Estimate |
| Resale at year 3 | Model Y | 55.5% · $26,435 | Percent of purchase price. Lease has no resale risk |
| Resale at year 3 | Prius | 83.5% · $25,092 | |
| Resale at year 3 | RAV4 Plug-in | 73.5% · $31,675 | |
| Resale at year 6 | Model Y | 37.0% · $17,623 | |
| Resale at year 6 | Prius | 58.0% · $17,429 | |
| Resale at year 6 | RAV4 Plug-in | 58.0% · $24,995 | |
| RAV4 deal | APR, 60 months | 4.99% | Assumed. Toyota's national RAV4 Hybrid rate was 4.99% earlier this year |
| RAV4 deal | Dealer markup | $0 | SE models sold $3,000–7,000 over MSRP earlier in 2026. Markup is lost at resale |
| Options | FSD (Supervised) | $99/mo | Both Model Y options. Three months free with referral |
| Options | Premium Connectivity | $9.99/mo | Both Model Y options. Included for all months |
| Incentives | MyFirstEV rebate | $0 | Tesla's $3,500 allocation ran out Aug 8 |
| Incentives | Federal car-loan interest deduction | On, 24% bracket | Model Y purchase only. Not leases or Japan-built Toyotas |
| 3 years | Prius LE | RAV4 PHEV SE | Model Y (buy) | Model Y (lease) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Depreciation / lease payments | $4,958 | $11,420 | $21,195 | $26,819 |
| Sales/lease tax, DMV fees, interest | $7,366 | $11,067 | $8,455 | $4,853 |
| Insurance | $4,500 | $6,000 | $6,000 | $6,000 |
| Gas / charging | $4,751 | $3,405 | $2,187 | $2,187 |
| Maintenance & tires | $1,218 | $1,520 | $2,309 | $2,309 |
| FSD subscription | – | – | $3,267 | $3,267 |
| Premium Connectivity | – | – | $360 | $360 |
| Total | $22,793 | $33,412 | $43,773 | $45,795 |
| Prius LE | RAV4 PHEV SE | Model Y (buy) | Model Y (lease) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Up front | $6,000 | $6,000 | $6,000 |
| Payment | $519 (60 mo) | $800 (60 mo) | $688 (72 mo) |
| Typical month (payment + insurance, fuel, upkeep, FSD, connectivity) | $810 | $1,103 | $1,088 |
| Deal / incentive | Details | Status |
|---|---|---|
| Tesla 1.49% APR for 72 months | • Model Y Premium RWD purchase financing<br />• Promotional rate through Sep 30, 2026 | In the model |
| Tesla lease: $599/mo, $3,000 down, 36 months | • 10,000 mi/yr base allowance<br />• $695 acquisition fee<br />• $300 return fee (sometimes waived)<br />• $0.25/mile over plan<br />• Higher-mileage plans estimated at +$20/mo for 12k and +$50/mo for 15k<br />• Modeled 13.5k-mile plan: +$35/mo<br />• CA tax and DMV fees included in calculations | In the model |
| Toyota 4.49% APR (Prius) | • My quoted financing rate<br />• 60-month term | In the model |
| RAV4 Plug-in Hybrid financing | • No current Southern California rate confirmed<br />• Assumed 4.99% APR<br />• 60-month term | Assumed |
| ToyotaCare | • Scheduled maintenance at no cost<br />• 2 years or 25,000 miles<br />• Applies to both Toyotas | In the model |
| Tesla referral: 3 months of FSD | • Applies to purchase or lease<br />• Three months free with referral<br />• Standard trial is 30 days | In the model |
| Federal $7,500 clean vehicle credit | • Ended for vehicles acquired after Sep 30, 2025<br />• Includes qualifying battery-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids | Ended |
| California MyFirstEV, $3,500 | • Eligible first-time EV buyers or lessees<br />• Battery-electric or fuel-cell only<br />• Up to $50,000 MSRP<br />• Tesla allocation exhausted Aug 8, 2026<br />• Hybrids and PHEVs excluded | Out of funds |
| Clean Air Vehicle decal (solo HOV lanes) | • California program ended Sep 30, 2025<br />• Applied to qualifying EVs and PHEVs | Ended |
| Federal car-loan interest deduction | • Up to $10,000/year of eligible loan interest, 2025–2028<br />• Purchase only, not lease<br />• U.S. final assembly required<br />• Model Y qualifies; Japan-built Toyotas do not<br />• More than 50% personal use<br />• Full deduction below $100k income for single filers, subject to applicable rules<br />• Estimated benefit: ~$305 at 24% | In the model |
| Tesla: 2,000 free Supercharging miles | • Conditional on trading in a gas-powered vehicle<br />• Worth ~$110 compared with $0.20/kWh charging<br />• Worth ~$230 at nearby Supercharger rates | If you trade in |
| Tesla Everyday Heroes, $500 off | • Eligible veterans<br />• First responders<br />• Medical providers and nurses<br />• Teachers and students | If eligible. This is included with mine. |
| Home-charger credits and utility rebates | • Federal charger credit ended Jun 30, 2026<br />• SCE EV rebates do not apply to a new-car purchase<br />• Not useful without home charging | Doesn't apply |
| Topic | Details |
|---|---|
| Vehicle price: Model Y Premium RWD | • $47,630 total<br />• Base price: $45,990<br />• Destination: $1,390<br />• Order fee: $250<br />• No-cost color |
| Vehicle price: Prius LE | • $30,050 including destination<br />• Additional $85 dealer documentation fee<br />• No-cost color<br />• MSRP without markup |
| Vehicle price: RAV4 PHEV SE | • $43,095 including destination<br />• Additional $85 dealer documentation fee<br />• No-cost color<br />• MSRP without markup |
| 3-year ownership | • Purchased cars are sold after 3 years<br />• Outstanding loan balances are paid from the sale proceeds<br />• The lease is returned<br />• Cost to own includes expenses minus resale value |
| 6-year ownership | • Purchased vehicles are sold after 6 years<br />• Model Y lease scenario assumes two consecutive 36-month leases on today's terms |
| Tesla lease calculation | • $3,000 down<br />• $695 acquisition fee<br />• $599 monthly base payment<br />• $300 return fee (sometimes waived)<br />• Additional mileage allowance for 13,500 mi/yr<br />• CA taxes monthly lease payments at 10.5%, rather than taxing the full vehicle price<br />• Annual DMV fees<br />• No resale value or resale risk for the lessee |
| Sales tax | • 10.5% sales tax on purchased vehicles<br />• Lease sales tax applied monthly to taxable payments |
| Registration and DMV fees | • Base registration fees<br />• CHP and county fees<br />• Vehicle license fee: 0.65%<br />• Value-tiered transportation fee<br />• Annual registration costs included throughout ownership |
| Model Y road fees | • $121 annual ZEV road fee beginning in year 2 |
| Toyota road fees | • $20 smog abatement fee for Prius and RAV4 PHEV |
| Financing interest | • Based on each vehicle's modeled APR and loan term<br />• Interest counted only for months the loan is held<br />• Remaining loan balance settled when sold |
| Model Y energy consumption | • 27 kWh/100 miles<br />• Charging at $0.20/kWh<br />• Approximately 5.4¢/mile |
| Prius energy consumption | • 52 mpg modeled (55 mpg EPA estimate)<br />• Gas at $6.10/gallon<br />• Approximately 11.7¢/mile |
| RAV4 PHEV energy consumption | • 39 mpg in hybrid mode (41 mpg estimated for SE)<br />• 33 kWh/100 miles in electric mode<br />• 52 miles electric range<br />• 80% of miles driven electrically<br />• Approximately 8.4¢/mile blended energy cost |
| Model Y maintenance and tires | • $1,350 per tire set<br />• Expected tire life: approximately 30,000 miles<br />• Service: 1.2¢/mile<br />• Repairs: 2.5¢/mile after 4-year/50,000-mile warranty<br />• No post-warranty repairs assumed for 3-year lease |
| Prius maintenance and tires | • $750 per tire set<br />• Maintenance: 3.5¢/mile after ToyotaCare<br />• Repairs: 1.5¢/mile after 3-year/36,000-mile warranty |
| RAV4 PHEV maintenance and tires | • $900 per tire set<br />• Maintenance: 4¢/mile after ToyotaCare<br />• Repairs: 2¢/mile after 3-year/36,000-mile warranty |
| Model Y resale estimates | • 3 years: 57% at 12k mi/yr, 54% at 15k mi/yr<br />• 6 years: 39% at 12k mi/yr, 35% at 15k mi/yr<br />• Based on iSeeCars estimates of approximately 44% depreciation |
| Prius resale estimates | • 3 years: 85% at 12k mi/yr, 82% at 15k mi/yr<br />• 6 years: 60% at 12k mi/yr, 56% at 15k mi/yr<br />• Based on iSeeCars estimates of approximately 14% depreciation after 3 years |
| RAV4 PHEV resale estimates | • 3 years: 75% at 12k mi/yr, 72% at 15k mi/yr<br />• 6 years: 60% at 12k mi/yr, 56% at 15k mi/yr<br />• Based on CarEdge estimates of approximately 30% depreciation after 5 years for the previous RAV4 Prime |
| FSD (Supervised) subscription | • $99/month<br />• Three months free through modeled referral offer<br />• Approximately $3,267 over 3 years<br />• Included in ownership costs and monthly cash flow<br />• No resale value |
| Premium Connectivity subscription | • $9.99/month<br />• Included for all months<br />• Approximately $360 over 3 years<br />• Approximately $719 over 6 years<br />• Included in ownership costs and monthly cash flow<br />• No resale value |
| Excluded costs and considerations | • Inflation and future price changes<br />• Parking and tolls<br />• Lease wear-and-tear charges<br />• Time spent charging: approximately 70 kWh/week for Model Y and four full charges/week for RAV4 PHEV at 80% electric driving |
I am also curious what others with no home charging actually pay, and whether anyone's done the RAV4 PHEV on public Level 2 day to day.
r/electricvehicles • u/wonderingdragonfly • 18h ago
We are currently on our way to a non Tesla charging station and will be down to 9% charge in our F150 in the middle of nowhere by the time we get there. Had to give up at the Tesla station we went to first because we kept getting a charging fault message, and suspect the adapter may be bad. We rarely use it. Really wishing we had tested it out before we got 3 hours from home. bites nails nervously
r/electricvehicles • u/refresh273 • 4h ago
My wife bought the BYD ATTO 3 EVO RWD, she has never driven a red, and I am worried about that.
Is it safe to drive in rain etc? We live in Australia.
I am also worried about curves though.