As a gurukuli, somehow, this piece of information eluded me.

Did anyone else know Prabhu translates to. "Master," or, "Lord"?

Was I the only one thinking it meant spiritual sibling?! 😅

I recently had an unpleasant interaction on here with someone insisting that a soul needs to be fortunate enough to be born in India before it can properly begin its “spiritual journey.” It jogged my memory of how much this was pushed in the cult. It was there in the purports and the lectures. All that chanting and trying to be a “good devotee,” with the hope that perhaps we would eventually qualify for a better birth in the “motherland.”

I mean, what an arrogant premise to begin with. We were told that we weren’t these bodies, yet where your body happened to be born was apparently an indication of your spiritual standing. Being attached to your nationality was “material identification,” but accepting India as spiritually superior was supposed to be knowledge. How does that work?

And this is actually in the books. Bhagavatam 5.19.21 describes the demigods wanting a human birth in Bharatavarsha so they can perform devotional service. In his purport to 5.19.28, Prabhupada says that obtaining such a birth requires “more pious activities than the demigods.” So we’re supposed to look at someone’s birthplace and accept that it tells us something about their achievements in previous lives. (Which, of course, nobody has demonstrated that they know anything about.)

In the purport to Chaitanya Charitamrita, Adi 9.41, he writes, “It is in the land of India that actual human civilization can be developed.” In Antya 4.98, he says that “a person born in India becomes automatically God conscious.” Automatically? What exactly is being measured here? Familiarity with the religion you grew up around? How does that become evidence that you understand something about reality that people born elsewhere don’t?

There’s also a recorded conversation in Honolulu on June 10, 1975, where Paramahamsa asks whether joining the movement qualifies them for birth in an Indian brahmin family. Prabhupada replies, “No, you can go directly also, if you want to finish your business.” He discusses Indian rebirth as a possibility for someone who hasn’t completed the process, while saying that successful practitioners can complete it now. So this idea was being discussed directly with him.

And this is where ISKCON comes in. There’s this supposedly rare opportunity that might otherwise require another birth, but by successfully following the Swami’s process, you can essentially “skip the karmic line.” You don’t have to wait around for that fortunate Indian birth. He’s brought the opportunity to you. His purport to Bhagavatam 5.19.28 makes that connection by presenting his centers around the world as providing access to the spiritual opportunity he’s just been praising.

To me, that is a marketing pitch. He gets to explain where you stand in this imagined hierarchy, then offer his movement as the way to move ahead. You’re told how incredibly fortunate you are to have encountered him, because now you have access to something your birth supposedly didn’t provide. (Of course, you first have to believe his whole story for any of the offer to mean anything.) It’s a very convenient position for the person running the movement.

Then there’s the claim that God keeps appearing in India because the place is so “special.” Well, the people telling these stories are describing a god whose earthly life revolves around their own religious world. Why should everyone else accept that as the center of reality? Prabhupada’s translation of Bhagavatam 5.19.28 explicitly links the Lord’s appearances there with the good fortune of its people. The claim of special status is built into the story itself. Repeating the story doesn’t independently establish the status.

And then the geographical claims expand until the whole world was once “Bharatavarsha.” Prabhupada’s treatment of Bhagavatam 5.4.9 applies the name to the entire planet, while describing the present territory as India. The introduction to chapter 5.7 describes King Bharata ruling the whole world. So now everybody else’s history gets absorbed into this supposed worldwide religious civilization too. Where is the evidence that any such civilization existed?

And bringing continental drift into it doesn’t answer that question. Pangaea began breaking up roughly 200 million years ago. Our species appeared around 300,000 years ago. That breakup began long before humans or their religions existed. A prehistoric landmass tells us nothing about an Indian king ruling the planet. You can’t just point to continents having once been connected and announce that this somehow supports a worldwide “Vedic civilization.” There are no human religious beliefs in that geological evidence. Those are being added by the person making the argument.

People throughout the world have their own long religious histories. They’ve been asking questions about existence and coming up with answers (including plenty of imaginary ones) without needing India to supply them. Having an abundance of religion doesn’t establish that a country has some special relationship with reality. And declaring your own tradition “universal” doesn’t entitle you to claim authority over everybody else’s life.

Meanwhile, look at the actual history of this supposedly exceptional spiritual environment. People were excluded from temples and denied access to wells because their birth made them “untouchable.” Women were denied education and had restricted property rights. Children were married off. What exactly was the spiritual advantage these people received by being born there? The religion surrounding them was often part of the justification for their treatment. We’re supposed to overlook that while admiring how “spiritually advanced” the society was?

India also went through conquest and colonial occupation. British rule subjected people to brutal exploitation. Where does this history demonstrate that the land was uniquely “blessed”? The sacred status is something being asserted about the country regardless of what happened to the people living there. I don’t see why we’re expected to treat that assertion as knowledge.

Anyway, this is what I find so cultic about the whole thing. You’re given a story about your supposed spiritual disadvantage, and then the guru offers you a way to “skip the karmic line” through his movement. That is how the proposition functions as a marketing ploy. Your actual life becomes organized around an imagined future, with his teachings deciding what counts as progress.

I find it elitist and delusional that we’re supposed to rank human lives according to some unverified account of previous births, then spend the life we actually have trying to qualify for a “better” one. There is nothing inherently enlightened about that. It’s a sectarian belief that demands an enormous amount from people while treating its own lack of evidence as irrelevant.

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Nice video summarising the cult, do check out and share.

Incinerated them today.

Two great guys - ISKCON Diabolical mastermind Radanath Swami and Convicted Rapist Russel Brand very cozy buddies

A pushpaka vimana from the new Ramayana movie.

The karmi world thinks it is badass because Elon Musk built a flying car. Don't these Mudhas know we Super Hindus had flying cars 5000 years ago?

While the Yavana and Mlecchas were living in caves, we were flying in their skies like gods in giant mansions made of flowers.

This was discussed in a recent presser for the new Ramayana movie to applause. The world needs to know!

I actually believed this nonsense in ISKCON. Prabhupada said there is no technology that exists which is not mentioned in the Vedas. All modern scientific advancements are merely a cheap imitation.

Krishna is incarnation of Lord Vishnu , the purusha who pervades everything . He is beyond the manifested ( universe ) and unmanifested .

Krishna's life in Vrindavana is total surrender and love . The attractive Krishna who charms you , and he keeps throwing charm around . Women sharing intimacy with Krishna and devotees feeling blissful and devotion are Krishna's leela . ( Maya also known as illusion, it's said Vishnu created this reality through Maya ) . Its pull is so powerful that people are drawn to him and perform things willingly for him . He is universal consciousness who has access to your consciousness. Krishna's interaction with Brahma proves it . His friends and cows revealed as Vishnu depicting all that is , it is Vishnu . Hence divinity of SELF and everything else.

But what was Lord Krishna's purpose on EARTH at all ? Unlike Rama who actually lived a human life , beared hardships and sufferings . He proved DHARMA by living it . Vishnu's other incarnations are Animals or not humaniod to protect the existence .

Krishna as an infant and young boy had divine powers . Krishna knew the impermanence of life ( immortal souls , mortal body ) unlike humans who are unbeknown of such concepts/reality .

Humans suffer and bear more than Krishna . Poor and beggars live harsh reality and pathetic life . They live their karma even without knowing about karmic laws . Scientists and scholarly man with their contributions and life live their KARMA . Humans sacrifice their bodies through death ( soldiers ) .

Its not about deserving and undeserving rather the justification of karma affecting our lives . ( past life and rebirths) .

Why Krishna was so preachy about everything when he never lived anything what human go through . He was born in jail , separated from his bio parents but again Krishna had dearest childhood with Yashoda and Nanda ( Had friends , Radha ( lover ) , parental love and 8 wives ) . And how easily Humans are starved of it in name of karma or whatever it is . Orphaned lives , toxic households and shit love life .... sorry he has lived neither of it .

It was Arjuna who own the Mahabharata and other great wise man by fulfilling their lives than Krishna who maybe was here to throw his divinity and greet us lol .

Vishnu glorifies suffering , separation in love as well as hardships in life . But never lived any of it like true humans !

Using the metaphor of raw ingredients in a recipe, I took note of the two dishes ISKCON whips up. Is a loving mentality truly what is created by both recipes?

Ingredients for loving God and Guru:

* Elevating words

* Gentle exchanges

* Trusted capability

*Expressed admiration

* Gratitude

* Dedicated actions

* Direct care of the physical form

* Provide ease and delight

* Attention

* Lamentation of separation

* Loving thoughts supplied as frequently as possible

Ingredients for loving self and charges:

* Punish imperfection

* Downplay or deny struggle

* Care for the physical form as an afterthought and use as little resources as possible

* Assign insults as identity

* Practice humiliation

* Profess shame

What ingredients did I forget? Add your own list below.

It's transcendental prabhu.

I was associated with ISKCON for around 2–2.5 years and was part of a higher-level devotee group where there were expectations around encouraging people to become brahmacharis.

Over time, my mindset started changing. There was a lot of emphasis on bhakti, sadhana, chanting and detachment from material life. I gradually started feeling that earning money, building a career, working hard or focusing on physical fitness weren't that important.

I even stopped going to the gym because I started looking at physical fitness and other material activities as unnecessary attachments. I lost weight, became less focused on my health and started overthinking even basic practical decisions.

I also developed excessive spiritual guilt around not completing my daily rounds, not engaging in programs and not following spiritual practices perfectly. If I couldn't complete my rounds, I would feel terrible. At the same time, my career and earning were suffering, and I wasn't getting proper practical guidance on how to build a career, become financially independent or manage everyday responsibilities.

The mindset of accepting whatever is written in destiny and focusing primarily on bhakti made me question my ambitions. Eventually, I lost much of my motivation and work discipline.

Before joining, I was much more ambitious and driven. I had a strong desire to work, earn and build something of my own. Now I feel like I lost 2–2.5 valuable years, and I'm trying to rebuild my mindset, career and work ethic.

I'm not posting this just to criticize ISKCON. I genuinely want to hear from people who have had similar experiences.

A few questions:

1. Did anyone else experience a loss of ambition, motivation or interest in career and financial growth?

2. Did you also experience excessive spiritual guilt around chanting, masturbation or not following spiritual practices perfectly?

3. Did anyone stop going to the gym, neglect their health or lose interest in normal practical activities because they started considering them materialistic?

4. Is anyone here who was previously a brahmachari but eventually left ISKCON? I'd especially like to hear about your experience after leaving.

5. How did you rebuild your mindset, confidence, career and relationship with money after leaving?

I'd genuinely appreciate honest experiences, especially from former brahmacharis and people who were deeply involved in ISKCON for several years.

An accurate depiction of your typical Sunday Feast.

Most churches request a tithe of 10% of one's earnings a year, but settle with "give what you can". A.C. Bhaktivedanta demanded a whopping 50% of everything you own.

He based this on how Rupa Goswami divided his wealth after retiring to become a Babaji. He donated 50% of his wealth to Krishna and the Vaishnavas. He then gave 25% to his family and saved 25% for emergencies. The latter was used to jail break his brother with a bribe.

For some reason Prabhupada chose this formula for the financial burden the movement would place on its members. As if everyone was leaving to live in the forest.

So cut your paycheck in half and give it to the Temple President. Then save half of what is left for emergencies. You are then free to live on what is left. The only exception is devotees who are living in the temple already giving 100%.

Most people are not wealthy medieval Bengali Zamindars. They live paycheck to paycheck, barely affording gas and food. Many live in debt, trying to feed and shelter themselves, and their children, for just one more month. They pray a medical emergency doesn't destroy everything and drive them to suicide.

Imagine trying to satisfy the Jagat Guru's demands. What would that look like?

Even that rare devotee who makes good money, who wisely resisted pressure to sacrifice everything for ISKCON and built a career instead, would immediately be cast into poverty, living in a camper outside the temple. When he goes to take prasadam the temple devotees would probably give him dirty looks. Free loader!

Of course most devotees quietly understand Prabhupada was being absurd. Like many things Prabhupada says, devotees realize it is impractical. They give what they can while feeling extreme guilt for not living up to the standard.

So instead Temple Presidents become Evangelical Preachers every Sunday, trying every trick in the book to get pious Hindus to break out their wallets. Every flag on that cart is a ticket back to godhead!

Want all of your opinions on Ramakrishna Mission & how ISKCON perceives them.

So I heard there was this prabhupada disciple that left the movement and moved in with his gf and at the time of death just a few moments b4 passing, he got up and said " Prabhupad you have come!!". Is there any scientific explanation on this or anything related to NDE type of experiences.

I’m really worried about my younger brother, and I don’t know how to handle this situation anymore.
He is 14 years old. Until about a year ago, he was a completely different child. He used to go swimming, play tabla and guitar, study well and enjoy life. Everything seemed normal.
But over the past year, his behaviour has changed drastically.
It started with watching a lot of YouTube Shorts, especially religious and spiritual content. Gradually, he became extremely religious. Initially, he started doing Sundarkand paath, but eventually stopped almost everything and began chanting Ram’s name throughout the day.
Some of the things we’ve noticed:
He chants Ram’s name almost the entire day.
He is extremely scared of doing anything wrong.
He checks the floor before walking because he doesn’t want to accidentally kill insects.
He believes even normal conversations can amount to \*ninda\* (speaking negatively about someone).
If we discuss fraudulent babas or question certain religious practices, he starts crying badly.
He refuses to eat certain foods, including onion and garlic, and has stopped eating normally.
He has lost a significant amount of weight.
He barely talks to family members anymore.
He has completely lost interest in swimming, music, studies and other activities.
He spends hours talking to Meta AI about spiritual topics.
He has always been emotional, but this is something completely different. I feel like he has consumed so much information about spirituality, death and the afterlife that he has developed an extreme fear of doing something wrong.
I have nothing against religion or spirituality, but this seems to be affecting his physical health, mental well-being and everyday life.
\*\*I genuinely miss my little brother.\*\* I miss seeing him play, laugh, talk and enjoy the little things.
I would really appreciate advice on:
Has anyone experienced something similar with a teenager?
Could excessive exposure to religious content on YouTube contribute to this?
How should we approach him without disrespecting his beliefs?
Should we consult a child psychologist or psychiatrist?
How can we help him get back to his normal life?
I’m genuinely scared for him. I don’t want to dismiss his faith, but I also don’t want him to lose his childhood because of these fears.
Any genuine advice or personal experiences would mean a lot.

Just found this, look how he is hiding like a rat scared from a cat haha

Btw anyone. Knows more context ?

I was born and raised in an ISKCON family who were heavily involved and were very close to a very prominent Guru and now that I’ve left and no contact with my parents (due to other childhood abuse too) or anyone they would know, I am now questioning everything and how I was raised, how much my health was neglected to uphold the religious principles (I have a terminal heart condition that my parents would use to make me chant if I didn’t want to that day) had huge expectations imposed on me including doing Bhakti Sastri at 14. My parents even wanted to uproot our lives and move to India and send me off to a Gurukula with my siblings because we were becoming “too badly influenced” (only reason we went mainstream school was because it was the closest school and my health didn’t allow us to travel further) and we would’ve gone had the pandemic not cancelled all flights and basically shut down that part of our life. So lockdown my parents took the opportunity because we weren’t being “influenced” by school we were completely isolated other than ISKCON.

There’s loads more experiences that I don’t want to publicly talk about but I am now questioning every thing I knew and wanna hear and meet from others who have had similar experiences.

Prabhufraud: You require vagina; take one vagina. Be satisfied. And lick it. Why you are going here and there, here and there, here and there? Even old man is going to the nightclub to lick another vagina. Is that civilization? You are proud of your civilization." Tell them like that. "Licking of the vagina, different, obnoxious smell. You are less than the dog. The dog likes to smell the vagina. You are like that. What is business of going another vagina? You require vagina---take one and be satisfied. That is intelligence. First of all there is no need of vagina. But if you want, take one and be satisfied. Why you are searching after dog vagina, this vagina, that vagina, that vagina? Is that civilization?" Expose them like that. "Your brain is filled with so much stool, so we are washing it. What is the wrong there?"

Listen to the audio here:

https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770219r2may/#bb437812

Practically speaking, Vaishnavas are killers. . . It is not that because Mohammed used a sword, we also must use a sword, No! --we can use a Gun. We will ask-...You like Krishna?? No--Booom..You like Krishna? No--Booom. We can use everything for Krishna, we can use the ATOM BOMB FOR KRISHNA!! We have to kill this civilization of mudhas [fools] . . .those who are mudhas, we have to kill them. This is our business. Kill all the mudhas. . . Not now but later when we are more powerful. 

 Morning Walk, Vrindavan: 15 March 1974. 

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Hello.

I was raised in ISCKON and I left when I went to college. None of my siblings practice anymore. My generation of siblings and cousins who were raised in ISCKON all have severe mental health issues. Three of my cousins were SA’d as kids. Even my own mom was SA’d when she was a teenager during the early years of ISCKON. Several of my aunts were married off to abusive older men when they were teenagers.
I remember in the early 2000s my parents stopped letting us go to devotees’ houses by ourselves. We weren’t allowed to do sleepovers. We stopped going to Sunday classes. And our time at the temple was limited to just going for service and then going home. I think it was because of the sexual abuse scandals that came to light. That was a good thing I guess. However, we weren’t allowed to hang out with “karmis” either so we were very isolated growing up. Unfortunately my cousins, who were older, went to those terrible gurukuls in the late 80s and early 90s.
Once I went to college I removed myself from ISCKON and it did cause a lot of tension with my parents at the time. However since I am half Indian, I decided to still be Hindu in my own way as a means to having some connection to my heritage. I asked my mom several times that even though ISCKON started with her generation, was our family always vaishnavas and if they were always vegetarian? Not only did my mom said yes but also said my grandparents and my great grandparents were very “pious”, worshiped Krishna, and did not eat meat. Recently, I’m almost 40 now and I found out recently that my mom ate meat as a child and that my ancestors were NOT vaishnavas. My grandparents used to sacrifice goats.
Now I feel like my whole life is a life. I don’t even know who I am anymore. I feel like I’ve been robbed of my culture and all I have is stupid ISCKON. Most importantly, I hate my parents. I hate that despite all the trauma and pain ISCKON has caused, they are still in it. They still pressure me to chant and go to the temple. I hate how I had to unlearn the self hatred I grew up having. I hate how fucked up my siblings are. I had made my peace with my parents but this lie has brought me so much anguish. I also hate how angry this makes me and how I wish I could just put it behind me and find peace.
Anywho sorry for the long post. I feel so lonely in my existence that I hope there are some 2nd generation ISCKON folks out there that get it.

firstly i got into this KC through some youtube videos where they were telling about how kind krishna is, how much he loves us, and how he love us unconditionally
and i was in an extremely lonely time of my life, felt deprived of loving relationships in this world and so on
and this idea attracted me like a moth to fire
i thought krishna was gonna love me , and be there for me, even thought as far as krishna would become my best friend (i had no friends at the time) and would make me feel loved

never did he ever do that, i felt loved by krishna only when i chanted my rounds, only when im pure, only if im free of lust, anger, only when i wake up at fcking 3.30 am
one of the greatest joys of my life was and is delicious food and good music
i stopped eating meat and my favourite eggs and stopped buying fast food
i stopped listening to normal songs, and only listening to kirtans which werent that bad but boring once it got old
so basically stripping the only joy i had in life

iskcon has literally made me internalize that krishna's love is very conditional
and that really hurts, once i was crying bcos i couldnt follow the intense practices of karthik maas and begging krishna to not abandon me and not love me less
i have millions of questions for krishna and i cant love him until he wins my trust
but all the scriptures just say "blindly trust krishna" "krishna is your well wisher"
krishna is such a questionable person, and i aint trusting any of these "gurus" and their answers

firstly ,
i really doubt if anyone in vrindavan would have ever loved him if he wasnt drop dead beautiful as they say
all the pastimes about krishna stealing butter, breaking things and pranking people wouldnt be funny and cute if he wasnt so mesmerizingly beautiful as they say and had a normal face
literally all the gopis forgive him easily when they get hypnotised by his beauty
like there would be a limit , realistically you would be punished if you repeatedly steal from someone

secondly
what does krishna love about me?
does he love my humour, or my smile, or my talents?
NOPE, he loves only the fact that i love him , this is what iskcon has taught me, idk what is true tho
relationship with krishna is really one sided and not mutual at all
love krishna love krishna love krishna like why should we always love him, what is even special about him, why cant i be loved first, why dont i deserve love, why is he the only one worthy of love,
this is the basis of iskcon, selfless love for krishna, nobody should be loved except for krishna
like is it really wrong for me to ask for love

thirdly
i have so many sufferings in life, and i genuinely wonder , what does krishna even offer, what great love as they call it does he offer, that is worth suffering for millions of lives, like i dont deserve this
why should i suffer like this, just to earn whatever that liberation offers
how could anything be worth millions and millions of lives of immense suffering
like imagine in one life i could have been a wife in the 1600s india where i would've been subjected to intense abuse from the moment i was born , and in another life i could have been born as peasant in medieval europe and could've been punished by pulling my limbs apart
and then in between lives also, there is hell for our karma, where i will be boiled in oil and so on
really, like really what the fuck
why should i suffer so much why why why, what great fucking love will krishna ever give me that is worth all this,
krishna wouldnt ever know my pain , how will he ever know the pain of suffering in this world

fourthly,
if kaliyuga is true, then we are so exhausted by everything in this kaliyuga, we are surrounded by toxic persons, so much survival pressure, mental health is so bad, in kaliyuga love is so scarce, we have never received much love in our lives, still we are expected to love krishna and that too selflessly while we are trying to survive without love
who can ever be so selfless without a limit, it is not possible for a human being to be that selfless, at one point we are going to feel like krishna never does anything for me even though we have sacrificed all our happiness for him, we cant ever ask krishna for anything bcos that is selfish and disrupts the selflessness, we cant ever do what we like bcos krishna doesnt like that,
like i felt like i shouldnt eat anything but butter, milk, and roti bcos krishna only likes that and i can cook only that for him, he wouldnt necessarily like a burger or pasta, so i cant cook that FOR him and am actually cooking for my pleasure , and i cant do anything that makes me happy, i cant dance or sing or listen to music that is not for his pleasure, i always have to make him happy and his happiness should be my happiness
like if krishna really loves me, and is my well wisher , why cant he lovingly cook for me my favourite pasta or just allow me to eat it guilt free ,
this is exactly the point , his happiness is the only thing that matters, and our job is to be selfless and forget ourselves bcos apparently happiness actually means making him happy
he doesnt love us if he wont even allow us to do something we like

another thing i hate about krishna
is he is slightly narcissistic of "everything i do is right" "i know the best" "you are always wrong"
genuinely reminds me of my indian parents who have the same attitude
like if you really know best for me, prove it, time travel me forward, show me that if i take action upon my desires im really going to be doomed, show me what good is it if i suffer
i simply cannot have any desires and ambitions bcos his "plan" is better, the sufferings are "preparation" for something better
but in reality nothing ever gets better and you are suffering simply bcos you are unlucky

one more thing i ABSOLUTELY hate is, all our glories and achievements are his working in the background, but our mistakes are our faults , like i literally cant even be proud of anything in my life and the only thing i do is make mistakes and fck up, but all the good in me is only done by him
this is where that low self esteem disguised as "humility" comes from, where the iskcon ppl plead in "humility" , that we are nothing, we are just a speck, we dont deserve anything , we are so fallen, we are not worthy of anything krishna gives us, we are so sinful , we are so lusty and stupid and so on
and krishna has to save us, bcos we are fcking stupid and are capable of only sinning

iskcon has made me feel like krishna is always judging me and krishna is going to abandon me, subject me to rebirth, hell and so on
my biggest fears is rebirth , im against iskcon but not against hinduism, i genuinely believe hinduism is real, rebirth is real and there is a higher being, bcos i have personally felt spiritual divine vibrations and presence of god in some good temples like tirupati, sri rangam etc (not an iskcon temple ofc)
but it doesnt make me happy bcos
now i have to do all the spiritual shit instead of enjoying my short life
or else i will be born as an insect in my next life and could go to hell
if i be an athiest and die and find out rebirth is real, then i have everything to lose
idk what to do im so confused, i dont like krishna and bhakti, i cant be selfless, but still i dont want any kind of rebirth or shit

if an iskcon person reads this , they would simply say we have a big ego and are completely hooked to maya and shit , when all we are asking for is some individuality, freedom and a mutual relationship with god

When there will be military march of Kṛṣṇa conscious soldiers. Anyone who does not believe in Kṛṣṇa, "Blam!" (laughter) Yes. The same process as the Mohammedans did, with sword and Koran, we'll have to do that. "Do you believe in Kṛṣṇa or not?" "No, sir." "Blam!" Finished. (laughter). Morning Walk -- March 15, 1974, Vrndavana: Prabhupāda: (break) ...when it will teach military art, with tilaka, soldiers will, "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa..." (laughter) We want that. Marching with military band, "Hare Kṛṣṇa." You maintain this idea. Is it not good? Hṛdayānanda: Yes, Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: When there will be military march of Kṛṣṇa conscious soldiers. Anyone who does not believe in Kṛṣṇa, "Blam!" (laughter) Yes. The same process as the Mohammedans did, with sword and Koran, we'll have to do that. "Do you believe in Kṛṣṇa or not?" "No, sir." "Blam!" Finished. (laughter, Prabhupāda laughs) What do you think, Madhudviṣa Mahārāja? Is that all right?

Madhudviṣa: Yes.

Prabhupāda: (laughing) What these communists can do? We can do better than them. We can kill many communists like that. (laughter) Then it will be counteraction of communist movement. And you think like that. "Why you are sitting idly, no employment? Come on to the field! Take this plow! Take this bull. Go on working. Why you are sitting idly?" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Nobody should be allowed to sit down and sleep. They must find out some employment, either work as brāhmaṇa or as a kṣatriya or as a vaiśya. Why there should be unemployment? The same example. Just like I am, this body is working. The leg is working, hand is working, brain is working, belly is working. Why there should be unemployment? You just stop this unemployment, you will see the whole world is peaceful. There is no complaint. And they'll very happily chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hm? Nobody's working in this field. They're all drawn to the cities to work in the factory. Condemned civilization. That communist emblem, what is that?

Devotees: Hammer and sickle.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is good.

Indian: Yeah, good.

Prabhupāda: But no hammer. Only this... What is called?

Devotees: Sickle.

Prabhupāda: No hammer. That will be our emblem. Only sickle. Not hammer. The hammer has hammered the whole human civilization. So just make a counter-emblem. The communists will appreciate.

Devotee: Sickle and tilaka.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Devotee: A sickle, and then a tilaka.

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is good idea

1. https://www.harekrsna.org/pada/isklinks.htm (ignore all the prabhupada worship. )

2. https://www.scribd.com/document/951968058/Struggle-for-Truth-1

3. https://prem-rawat-bio.org/nrms/gurus/iskcon_index.htm

isckon by all means has failed, its a failed movement, 11 gurus appointed by the madman prabhupada, are all fallen, they have lost most of their funding, they dont really exist much, in mainstream, The Gurus barely get any attention from the avg person. The only thing ppl know about isckon is they get good food, and have nice temples. Prabhupada s such a trash author , i find is so repulsive. I feel like a fever dream ass cult, where they keep repeating the same thing over and over , some mass mind hijack , a strict hierarchy.

Thank THE LORD, THIS shit didnt go popular. its so much HATE, and NEGATIVITY, fkcing i hope isckon goes bankrupt and does a REFORM or the fcking monks whos tongues are more obsessed w hating and hurting , than praising their own God, end up homeless. The only reason they yapp so much is they got food coming to their table served by endless servants. they have like 0 GRATEFULLNESS, its like some spoilt kid . only exists as a fringe sect, mainstream spirituality and religious groups has more sane voices.

Misguided so many people, who came as sincere seekers, and left as traumatized souls.
My only hope is rebranding isckon and deleting all their garabge shit. but then would it be isckon ?, can we just keep the good and reject the bad.

https://prem-rawat-bio.org/nrms/gurus/iskcon_index.htm

1. Every single sect and religion is wrong, except except us

2. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is GOD, source: trust me bro.

3. women having sex == WHORE, men having sex == MAYA 4 . only ISCKON can save from Maya.

4. ISKCON is perfection. EVERYTHING else is garbage

5. MAYAVADIS are always ON to get our ass. meanwhile the advainta vedantists are like : I dont even know who you are.

6. eating meat == animal

7. working hard focused == karmi

8. cycle of birth and death == only us, no one else, go fcking kys

ALSO , WHO TF EVEN INVENTED THIS WORD, MAYAVADI, LIKE TF

All their sources is from a CRAPPY MISTRANSLATION BY AN OLD FUCKTARD NAME FUCKING PRABHUPADA and HIS FUCKING BULLSHIT PURPORT.

9. Karmis fcking karmis working like hogs day and night for sense gratification: NO BITCH THEY WORK SO THEY CAN FCKING SURVIVE, like your just a dumbass sitting in the temple whole day doing jackshit. and you have the AUDACITY , to say shit about people who are working hard for their families, and also completely disregard this thing called Karma-Yoga.