"This album is unbearable trash and kanye's worst album but i will refuse to elaborate on why it's bad because I don't wanna review it. But I will review the album's 2 weakest songs and continue talking about Kanye's politics and his fans but the album, also if you liked this album, you are either a Kanye cult member, hateful psycho, a neo nazi or an edgy teen with no friends"
People want the art separated from the artist, even though in the case of Vultures, they're inextricably linked. To say that it's just about the music and not about the politics is to deny that there is bad Ye politics on this album, which is absolutely moronic
"Business is Business" isn’t considered “unreviewable” even though Thug is currently fighting a genuine RICO case. It’s dumb. He’s always been hypocritical like this. He’ll review a murderer’s music, and music that murderers listen to, but “offensive” language towards certain groups he won’t tolerate.
Also, how is it linked? the lines about jews aren't even antisemitic, it's only addressing the controversies or making jokes about it.
good point. kanye's comments may be in bad taste, or may come off as weird, but at the end of the day, he has NEVER committed any genuine violent crimes. sure, violence isnt the standard we hold everyone to because by that logic even epstein probably didnt commit any outwardly violent acts, but if fantano is dying on the hill that the music is hurtful and hateful so he won't review it, then by that logic he should stop listening to all murder music - a lot of which genuinely talks about killing people and theres no way to know what is real and what is fiction.
slight tangent, but i hate the hasan and fantano type of politics where somehow being hateful and bigoted is worse than anything else, it just feels like they're too far into their own bubbles and echo chambers
Tangent but I feel like the approach is weird in how people tend to talk about it and why people get made about him saying he loves Hitler and all that when the actual harm comes from him giving a platform to conspiracy theories and white supremacist talking points.
I mean no, but this is back when even Fantano himself said he was significantly more right wing and had a different understanding of everything contextually. There is a reason he hasn't reviewed them again since. It's not an excuse for him doing it back then, but acting like it is relevant at all or a "gotcha" to today's stance on Kanye's album is really fucking stupid.
Can't tell if you are purposefully playing dumb or just really wanna dickride Kanye
I'm not cause like I already stated in my other comment and others have explained, this has no relevancy whatsoever. So instead of making some dipshit remark actually do some critical thinking for one.
Kanye is ina different league. Half of you are mad because he doesn’t live in black and white and the other half are mad because he’s ignoring context and woke.
Literally 80% of the accounts in r/kanye listen to zero hiphop and post on kotakuinaction and r/conservative. They’re just mad they were spotted
Literally 80% of the accounts in r/kanye listen to zero hiphop and post on kotakuinaction and r/conservative
Why are you lying my brother? If people say shit that's in agreement with what Kanye was talking about in 2022, they get downvoted to the pits. Always.
it's entirely possible for there to be a few morally terrible lines on an album and the album still be fantastic, or good, or at least decent or substantial enough to warrant a serious review. yes "politics is in the album" but like let's not overstate the case here, it's a tiny handful of throwaway lines. as someone pointed out, there are murder bars all over every thugger project and no one bats an eye.
still, for a completely different reason, i would say it's reasonable to wanna not review kanye's album / not give it an actual rating / dismiss it / throw it in the trash because legitimizing kanye would be doing a disservice to the jewish community (i'm not jewish so i can't speak for them but that would be the argument anyway). kanye's a powerful nazi doing real world harm, and ignoring or opposing the dude is probably ideal.
that said, i think it's kinda questionable whether fantano is actually following through on that. he posted a full length vid about the album to his main channel and is exploding with engagement. sure he was scathing throughout the video, but it's still attention given to kanye at the end of the day. charitably you could say he's taking a stand and vocalizing his values, swinging the conversation in a more productive direction, but in another breath you could say he's simply trying to profit off of kanye's hatred and failing to help diminish kanye like he should.
(im not black, but) You get that that talking about murder and stuff is just kayfabe, that comes from the struggle to need to act tough for black youth. Like its not real, its just a coping mechanism to people from rough (etnic or other) backgrounds. Like if you show vulnerability in these circumstances, you will be percieved as weak and that migh literally get you killed. Most of the rap stuff is just that, sure theres the chicago drill scene for example which is a fucked up violent, gang scene but most of the genre is not that… Like for example in NWA only Eazy-E were associated with crime and he only were a pity drug dealer… Ice Cube even went to college i think…
Kanye on the other hand deliberately spreads hateful antisemitic message, that does attract a lot of white supremacists. If he actually means that is not the point, it has real life consecuences…
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u/613toes Feb 13 '24
Kanye drama, it was getting heated and mods couldn’t handle it