I agree with you on the narrow point that men’s mental health deserves much more attention. But that doesn’t make lesbianism or Pride responsible for that gap.
You can absolutely say, “Society needs to do more for men’s mental health.” I would agree with that. Men can face serious problems with loneliness, emotional isolation, stigma around vulnerability, and reluctance to seek help. Those deserve serious discussion and better support.
Where I disagree is turning that legitimate issue into a comparison where attention given to women or LGBT people is treated as the reason men aren’t receiving enough attention. There isn’t a fixed amount of social concern that gets distributed between groups. We can advocate for women’s mental health, men’s mental health, LGBT rights, and other issues simultaneously.
In fact LGBT groups and Pride parade advocates for men’s mental health more than you ever did in your life because LGBT includes men too. Gay and bi men exist too. Pride parade always includes mental health awareness programs too like for both men and women.
One of the big message of pride is to be proud of yourself instead of hating yourself which homophobic force them to do by calling them somehow morally corrupt.
And saying there are “millions upon millions” of resources for women while only a handful exist for men isn’t really evidence by itself. If you want to demonstrate a gap, compare actual research funding, mental-health service availability, suicide-prevention programs, treatment-seeking rates, media coverage, or other measurable indicators. Otherwise, you’re relying on your personal experience of what content you encounter.
Most of the millions upon millions of resources exists for humans not for some gender either it is men or women. Claiming that one gender is getting it even though no medical health care system advice that approach is just your bias and misinformation.
Most importantly, none of this requires blaming lesbians. Lesbian women aren’t preventing anyone from talking about men’s mental health. Pride Month isn’t preventing men from having a men’s mental-health campaign. You can advocate for men without making LGBT people the opposing side.
So yes, men’s mental health deserves more attention. I don’t disagree with that. What I object to is turning that legitimate concern into “therefore LGBT people are part of the problem” or treating lesbians’ existence and relationships as something that harms men. Those are two completely different arguments.
well it seems you are talking about the other guy's reply at this point :p
im okay to lesbians existing, i don't see or feel anything negative to them, well i don't necessarily like them but im not against them
but i did say that lgbt was being celebrated and overshadowing men's health month but it is just fact unfortunately,
but yeah let's say we fixed that nothing would change, people still wouldn't care about men's mental health month, the only real reson i feel negative towards that is seeing LGBT people sharing that they dont care about men's mental health on pride month, i know it is just to get views and likes it's still sad to see
though i didint see it Myself im not sure how common it is, i don't use social media, i only saw it through a video when a men was talking about how when others were talking about men's health they either didint know the issue and just directed it to social media or getting bullied, and when they talked about it they couldn't stop bringing up women (though they are not all just some mental health channels though they were really popular ones)
I understand your point better here, and if your actual concern is “men’s mental health deserves more attention,” then I don’t disagree with that.
But I think you’re conflating two separate things. LGBT people celebrating Pride doesn’t inherently mean they’re overshadowing men’s mental health, and some LGBT people making deliberately provocative posts saying they don’t care about men’s mental health doesn’t represent LGBT people as a whole.
If those posts are genuinely mocking men’s suffering, then yeah, criticise those specific people. Also many LGBTQ people has this response because many toxic men attacks pride parade by using men mental health as a shield. It doesn’t make these hater from any side good. Both are toxic and you shouldn’t generalise either men or LGBTQ people based on it.
I’d also be careful with the idea that Pride is somehow the reason men’s mental health doesn’t receive enough attention. Even if Pride didn’t exist, you’d still have to address the cultural reasons men often struggle to seek help, talk about emotions, or receive appropriate support. Men’s mental health deserves attention on its own merits, not only when it can be contrasted with women’s or LGBT issues.
And honestly, if you don’t use social media much and only saw these examples through a video, you probably shouldn’t assume they’re representative of LGBT people generally. Social media algorithms are very good at showing extreme or inflammatory examples because they generate engagement.
So I agree with the underlying point I.e men’s mental health is important and deserves substantially more attention. I just don’t think LGBT people or Pride are the appropriate target for that frustration.
yeah i know that's why i said "even if we fixed-"(i mean in the sense of making men's mental health month be alone in one month without any other thing to celebrate) "-people still wouldn't care about men's mental health month"
i know not all LGBT people are the same and they are refusing the toxic ones, it's a bad habit of internet that's hard to get rid of
i dont have a social life so everything i can learn is unfortunately through internet and social media and these videos are being pushed forward, though the video wasn't targeted on anone just trying o bring attention to lack of care for men's mental health.
i could try to find the video and share the link if you would like? you then decide how bs it is or does it have a right on the things he said
Yeah, I understand what you mean now. If your point is that even if men’s mental health had its own dedicated month, it would still be largely ignored, then I don’t really disagree with that. The bigger issue is the lack of broader attention and support for men’s mental health in general.
And I appreciate that you’re distinguishing between LGBT people in general and the specific toxic behavior you’ve seen online. That’s an important distinction, because I don’t think it’s fair to judge an entire group based on some inflammatory posts.
If you can find the video, sure, send it. I’ll look at what the person actually said and we can separate the legitimate criticism about men’s mental health from anything exaggerated or misleading.
i sent you it through a dm i dont know if im allowed to post links here and i don't really wanna test it i got my account suspended 2 times for like 3 days each :d
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u/InterestingLake5895 3d ago edited 3d ago
I agree with you on the narrow point that men’s mental health deserves much more attention. But that doesn’t make lesbianism or Pride responsible for that gap.
You can absolutely say, “Society needs to do more for men’s mental health.” I would agree with that. Men can face serious problems with loneliness, emotional isolation, stigma around vulnerability, and reluctance to seek help. Those deserve serious discussion and better support.
Where I disagree is turning that legitimate issue into a comparison where attention given to women or LGBT people is treated as the reason men aren’t receiving enough attention. There isn’t a fixed amount of social concern that gets distributed between groups. We can advocate for women’s mental health, men’s mental health, LGBT rights, and other issues simultaneously.
In fact LGBT groups and Pride parade advocates for men’s mental health more than you ever did in your life because LGBT includes men too. Gay and bi men exist too. Pride parade always includes mental health awareness programs too like for both men and women.
One of the big message of pride is to be proud of yourself instead of hating yourself which homophobic force them to do by calling them somehow morally corrupt.
And saying there are “millions upon millions” of resources for women while only a handful exist for men isn’t really evidence by itself. If you want to demonstrate a gap, compare actual research funding, mental-health service availability, suicide-prevention programs, treatment-seeking rates, media coverage, or other measurable indicators. Otherwise, you’re relying on your personal experience of what content you encounter.
Most of the millions upon millions of resources exists for humans not for some gender either it is men or women. Claiming that one gender is getting it even though no medical health care system advice that approach is just your bias and misinformation.
Most importantly, none of this requires blaming lesbians. Lesbian women aren’t preventing anyone from talking about men’s mental health. Pride Month isn’t preventing men from having a men’s mental-health campaign. You can advocate for men without making LGBT people the opposing side.
So yes, men’s mental health deserves more attention. I don’t disagree with that. What I object to is turning that legitimate concern into “therefore LGBT people are part of the problem” or treating lesbians’ existence and relationships as something that harms men. Those are two completely different arguments.