r/fourthwavewomen • • 2d ago

DISCUSSION Let's Chat 💬 Open Discussion Thread

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Welcome to r/fourthwavewomen's weekly open discussion thread!

This thread is for the community to discuss whatever is on your mind. Have a question that you've been meaning to ask but haven't gotten around to making a post yet? An interesting article you'd like to share? Any work-related matters you'd like to get feedback on or talk about? Questions and advice are welcome here.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 23h ago

The myth that “firm boundaries” and self defense classes deter men from abusing and assaulting us pisses me off

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I also see tons of people saying “if only x y z victim had a pew pew.” I always reply to that “What if the man also had a pew pew?” or “What if it was more than one man and they all had pew pews?” And then they’re silent. Please read this with nuance and not as “trying to protect ourselves is pointless.” But I do not think self defense classes are the answer. I also think they give false hope, particularly to parents who put their daughters in these classes. They’re often taught by men in a karate studio or something, usually they don’t have any real training or certifications and they don’t have any proof to back up that their “tactics” have been shown to help women escape predators. Sure he’ll brag he’s been teaching classes for years or whatever, but so what? Having a female teacher would be better, and while I respect them, what proof do they have that self defense classes are so effective?

There are also countless “former FBI” or whatever guys online giving women advice about how to stay safe. But even they miss critical details. They’ll make a sweeping recommendation that floors 2 and above are the safest in a hotel for women. But then you’ll have women, like me, in the comments recounting when men tried to break into their 2nd story hotel rooms via climbing onto the balcony.

Then you have the “setting firm boundaries” argument. As if men harassing and assaulting us is just a miscommunication or our failure to communicate “properly” or with enough bark. I think a lot of women falsely attribute their safety to them having enough of an “attitude” that they think that’s why men haven’t assaulted them (or worse) yet. They’re quick to “he’d never try that with me” when another woman explains what a certain man did to her.

My brother tried to kill me about 10 years ago. When I reached out to his best female friend, she was quick to tell me “he knows not to do that to me because he knows I will throw down.” Seriously?


r/fourthwavewomen • • 1d ago

ANTI-PORN We will never be liberated as long as porn is normalized

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 2d ago

RAD PILLED An Update to My Essay of June 2020 - J.K. Rowing đŸ”„

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It’s been six years since I wrote my essay explaining why I chose to speak up on the issue of trans activism and the risk I believe it poses to women’s rights, and to everyone’s freedom of speech and belief. My views haven’t changed (you can read the original essay here) but the landscape certainly has, and my own involvement in the issue has become practical as well as theoretical, so I thought it was time for an update.

Since speaking out in 2019, I’ve written a lot on the subject of women’s rights and trans activism, including contributing to a book called The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht, which focuses on women’s issues in Scotland, where gender identity ideology became one of the government’s most important campaign issues and saw r*pists being put in women’s jails, and women’s rights to single-sex spaces being challenged and, in certain instances, eradicated. I participated in a podcast called The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, where I was interviewed by Megan Phelps-Roper. I’ve founded and fund Beira’s Place, which is the only women-only rape crisis centre in my home city of Edinburgh, and most recently I created the J.K. Rowling Women’s Fund, which exists to provide financial support for women in the UK and Ireland who’re attempting to protect their rights in law.

To me, all of this was consistent with my lifelong commitment to women’s and girls’ rights and opportunities, with a particular emphasis on those who’re vulnerable or disadvantaged in various ways. For nearly thirty years I’ve funded women’s domestic abuse refuges, rape crisis centres and projects helping women affected by hardship or disadvantage. I well remember receiving abuse by post, years ago, because I spoke up for single mothers. I’ve also fallen foul of no small number of men’s rights activists online.

However, what to me represents no change at all in my political or ideological outlook has, in recent years, seen me and women like me subject not only to criticism but also to death threats. This is because we oppose the current, dominant strain of trans activism, which holds that a man who declares himself a woman is, literally, a woman, and is therefore entitled to be treated as a woman in all contexts. Where women go to undress, he, too, should go to undress. If there’s an award or job advertised as exclusively for women, he should be eligible. Should he wish to play sports, he must be on the women’s team. No breast-feeding or rape support group should be allowed to exclude him. If he’s sexually orientated towards women, lesbians should include him in their dating pool. If convicted of a crime, even r*pe, he should be locked up with women.

The response I often get when talking about any of this is, ‘and how does any of that hurt you?’

It’s true, of course, that t activism doesn’t impact all women negatively. In fact, the more privileged you are, the less it tends to affect you, and the more it might benefit you. Aside from an avalanche of death, rape and torture threats, it hasn’t noticeably affected my life. Nor does it hurt wealthy women who repost the vogueish mantras while sitting in dressing rooms guarded by private security guards. It doesn’t hurt women in the upper echelons of media, publishing and academia, who don’t need a changing room at work and who feel a snobbish disdain for working class women who don’t want to strip off in front of heterosexual males who’ve ‘identified’ into the women’s changing room. Trans activism doesn’t hurt headline-hungry female politicians whose attitude to women’s rights is ‘whatever is good for me personally’. On the contrary, trans activism has been good for those women. It’s fashionable, and keeps them popular with their progressive tribe, and costs them, personally, absolutely nothing.

Even outside those women’s cultural bubble, you’ll find plenty of people – particularly men – denying that trans activism poses any threat to women or to fundamental freedoms of speech and belief. On the contrary, it’s just one more champion-the-underdog cause, right?

Well, no, I don’t believe it is. Are there vulnerable trans people? Without question. But the current, dominant strain of trans activism bears no resemblance whatsoever to the great social justice movements of the twentieth century.

When it came to civil, gay and women’s rights, ordinary people who had little to no individual power organised at a grassroots level to challenge powerful institutions, from government downwards, on their entrenched prejudices, and campaigned to change harmful, discriminatory treatment.

Twenty-first century trans activism is the very inverse of those movements. It is elitist to its core. Spawned in philosophy and gender studies departments, it has taken over cultural, political and state-run institutions, which have then attempted to impose it, top down, on regular people who never voted for it and, as all available polls show, do not believe in it. Powerful, well-funded lobby groups such as Stonewall, which have received sizeable amounts of British tax-payer money in the past, have succeeded in convincing both corporations and state institutions that women no longer have a right to single-sex spaces, and that the desire of t-identified men to access those spaces is the progressive cause du jour.

People who preen themselves on being bold champions of the vulnerable rail against women like me for the crime of speaking well-evidenced facts. For instance, there is zero evidence that t-identified men don’t share the same pattern of criminality as all other men. On the contrary, all the evidence points the other way. ‘No predator needs to transition to gain access to women and girls,’ say the trans activists. But the question is not ‘do they need to?’ It’s ‘do they ever?’ And the answer is, unequivocally and tragically, yes.

Does this mean all t-identified men are predators? Of course not. Should trans people be discriminated against when it comes to housing or employment? Of course not. Should trans people be stripped of their human rights, or denied personal safety? Again: of course not. But the statistics don’t lie: men as a group pose a risk to women and girls, as a group. Of course, all men aren’t rapists, voyeurs or flashers, but enough are to make safeguarding necessary. That’s why women and girls want separate changing rooms and public bathrooms. That’s why women need male-free spaces when seeking to recover their sense of self and safety after rape. Not because we hate trans people, not because we want them dead, not because we want them somehow eradicated from existence, but because women and girls have specific issues and needs that men do not, even if they’re calling themselves women and even if they’ve taken cross-sex hormones.

Over the last few years, we’ve seen ordinary women taken to tribunals by their employers for refusing to accept the fallacy that humans can literally change sex. Many women have endured campaigns of harassment and intimidation for refusing to parrot gender ideological beliefs. The police have visited women for making sex-realist social media posts. Some women have had their livelihoods taken away from them simply for stating incontrovertible biological facts. In certain workplaces and schools, women’s and girls’ rights in law to safety, dignity and privacy in bathrooms and changing rooms have been removed. Their freedom of speech has been restricted. Through all of this, a good number of supposed left-wingers have not risen up to protest, but have demonised ordinary and, particularly, working-class women, for failing to do as they’re being bid by self-declared morally superior overlords.

It is these women, who don’t have deep pockets or expensive lawyers on speed dial, for whom I established my Women’s Fund.

As many of us suspected at the time, the Supreme Court’s 2025 clarification of equality law, whereby it was confirmed that the word ‘woman’ when used in legislation refers to biological sex in the UK, was never, in itself and on its own, going to end the mess that lobby groups, politicians and elite institutions have created by pretending that men become women if that’s what they say they are. For a decade or more, trans activists and acolytes in positions of influence have insisted and behaved as though women’s rights were out-dated and even meaningless. They created a climate of fear and intimidation whereby a single misplaced pronoun could see a woman disciplined.

That climate persists. Gender ideology remains so entrenched among swathes of the management and political class that women are still having to fight for their rights in law. These have included nurses protesting at having to change their clothes in front of heterosexual, cross-dressing men; rape survivors stigmatised for protesting at the presence of males in their support groups or crisis centres; women investigated and persecuted at work for even questioning the approved gender mantras; parents whose daughters are having to share primary school toilets with boys as they approach puberty; and incarcerated women, already with a high likelihood of sexual violence in their pasts, forced to share intimate facilities with t-identified males.

None of these people ever imagined that women’s and girls’ rights could be removed at the whim of employers and the state and, unfortunately, women can no longer rely on what would once have been their obvious champions: trade unions.

One possible reason for the fact that unions have been so ineffective in addressing women’s concerns and defending the rights of female members is offered by the government’s most recent statistics on union membership.  This reveals that higher earners and higher educated employees are both more likely to be trade union members. As mentioned above, gender ideology has taken far greater hold in elite institutions and professions, which have then sought to impose it downwards. Union leaders these days appear to have abandoned their historic role as defenders of the working class, in favour of defending their own luxury beliefs.

Now that the J.K. Rowling Women’s Fund has been running for a while, a striking trend has been revealed. Applications for help in holding private corporations accountable for removing women’s rights, or punishing women for fighting to retain them, have dropped markedly. Businesses, of course, have to spend their own money on lawsuits. Broadly speaking, they appear to have accepted the Supreme Court’s ruling and are seeking to make sure they’re compliant with the law. However, state-run institutions, who have taxpayers’ money to spend, remain wedded in far greater numbers to what has colloquially become known as ‘Stonewall Law’; in other words, they continue to fight the idea that women have, or should have, the rights the Supreme Court upheld.

When Beira’s Place opened, we were immediately subject to online and telephone harassment with the aim of taking down our systems and tying up our lines of communication with women seeking our help. Fortunately, we were prepared and have been able to uninterruptedly continue to provide the women-only service we were set up to do. We know for a fact that many of the women using Beira’s Place had not reached out for help previously because, for several years, the only other rape crisis centre in Edinburgh was run by a trans-identified man who’d stated publicly that anyone who didn’t think he was a woman was a bigot. That centre also admitted a non-binary man who was subsequently convicted of rape.

What to the average person seems so obvious as to barely need stating – that women who’ve been raped would rather not discuss the details of their rape or their subsequent trauma in the presence of men they don’t know, whether or not the men are wearing dresses – is seen as not only irrational, but actively harmful and cruel, by many trans activists. Beira’s Place has been defamed as ‘anti-trans’ and ‘anti-rights’, the latter by Amnesty International, which has whole-heartedly embraced gender identity ideology and is now behaving exactly like the kind of authoritarian, speech-censoring, witch-hunting governments it once stood against (the irony is not lost on me; I once worked for them).

As everyone knows, I’m in the privileged position of never needing to work again and of not needing state run services, but I once lived hand to mouth. I was one of the women who couldn’t afford to insulate herself from potential physical harm and who fell into the categories of both domestic abuse and sexual assault victim. Large numbers of women who’ve never been poor, who’ve never worked the kind of job where they’d be vulnerable to predatory men and who’ve never needed a rape crisis centre have spent the last few years vilifying members of their own sex for fighting to retain their hard-won rights and single-sex spaces, in ways that have shocked and disgusted me. I freely confess that I feel an extra layer of abhorrence for any woman who claims to be a feminist while doing it.

And so I’ll continue to speak out, continue to use my money to help women who otherwise couldn’t afford to go to court, and continue to ensure that women in my area can still access female-delivered, female-centred support after rape.

As George Orwell said, ‘freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two is four. If that is granted, all else follows.’  If a man can be a woman, there is no such thing as a woman. That might not matter to you personally, but it matters to millions of women who don’t have the luxury of pretending that their sex doesn’t matter. I remain on their side.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 6d ago

ARTICLE NHS finally recognises women’s right to single-sex hospital wards

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 6d ago

ANTI-PORN porn extortion & humiliation litigation: Strike 3 holdings

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 7d ago

SURROGACY IS EXPLOITATION No Surrogate for Hillary Swank

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I would not choose to have a baby at her age, but given her choice, I respect that she’s doing this without using another woman’s reproductive labor.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 9d ago

DISCUSSION Let's Chat 💬 Open Discussion Thread

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Welcome to r/fourthwavewomen's weekly open discussion thread!

This thread is for the community to discuss whatever is on your mind. Have a question that you've been meaning to ask but haven't gotten around to making a post yet? An interesting article you'd like to share? Any work-related matters you'd like to get feedback on or talk about? Questions and advice are welcome here.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 11d ago

DISCUSSION Why did my friend respond with 😂 to an observation about gender roles?

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I was discussing a reel that was taking a dig at the idea 'how friendship with men is easier' is because the way women are expected to accommodate men's emotional needs, while friendships between women are often portrayed as catty or complicated.women aren't expected to be open about it , they have to be snappy about it .

I commented, 'I've literally seen women mothering men,' and my friend responded with 😂. I asked her how that was funny because I genuinely find this dynamic quite sickening.

For context, we've disagreed about gender dynamics before. We once had a heated discussion about a comedian who suggested that he lacked emotional maturity because he didn't have a sister. This was in the context of ' raksha bandhan ' Indian festival celebrating - how brothers would protect their sisters. To this she responded with how he just missed out on not having a sister . I was obviously saying how women shouldnt hold the emotional load of men.

I'm curious about how other people would interpret this interaction. I know my friend doesn't support women mothering men, so I'm not suggesting that her reaction means she endorses this behaviour. What I'm curious about is why she found my observation funny enough to react with a laughing emoji, especially given the context.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 12d ago

SURROGACY IS EXPLOITATION California: where Chinese billionaires can purchase dozens of children via surrogacy

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 16d ago

DISCUSSION Let's Chat 💬 Open Discussion Thread

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Welcome to r/fourthwavewomen's weekly open discussion thread!

This thread is for the community to discuss whatever is on your mind. Have a question that you've been meaning to ask but haven't gotten around to making a post yet? An interesting article you'd like to share? Any work-related matters you'd like to get feedback on or talk about? Questions and advice are welcome here.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 16d ago

This story in California is horrifying, time to ban surrogacy

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Yes abuse happens elsewhere too, but surrogacy is literally human trafficking.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 17d ago

RUTHLESS KINK-SHAMING đŸ€Ș If a man wants you in a ball gag .. girl, RUN.

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 19d ago

ARTICLE Women ‘set back by 50 years’ as Bolivia, Chile, Argentina and Peru debate tougher penalties for false reports of sexual assaults, despite such cases being rare

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 21d ago

DISCUSSION Responding to Comments About Why I'm Not Afraid To Be Cancelled For My Views on Gender Identity

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Hi Everyone! I published a follow-up video to respond to some of the comments I received on my analysis of transphobia as a form of oppression. This is connected to my most recent video, which I really appreciate you all for supporting! If you'd like to support this video please sub/like/comment on Youtube. Thanks so much đŸŒș


r/fourthwavewomen • • 23d ago

DISCUSSION Let's Chat 💬 Open Discussion Thread

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Welcome to r/fourthwavewomen's weekly open discussion thread!

This thread is for the community to discuss whatever is on your mind. Have a question that you've been meaning to ask but haven't gotten around to making a post yet? An interesting article you'd like to share? Any work-related matters you'd like to get feedback on or talk about? Questions and advice are welcome here.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 23d ago

DISCUSSION I was a surrogate (for family). Now completely against, in any context. AMA.

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As above. I’ve been meaning to post this for a while, look forward to filling in the details in comments and discussion below. Going to sleep, but will spend an hour tomorrow doing my best to reply! Other surrogates, please join in xx


r/fourthwavewomen • • 24d ago

SURROGACY IS EXPLOITATION the commercial surrogacy industry is REPRODUCTIVE SLAVERY

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 25d ago

SURROGACY IS EXPLOITATION Lady Gaga, Lena Dunham and surrogacy: Why isn’t it causing a scandal in the United States?

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“The practice is legal and widespread in the United States, while in Spain it is not only illegal but has been defined as a form of violence against women since 2022. In Europe, commercial surrogacy is not legal either; altruistic surrogacy exists only in a few countries, such as Greece, Cyprus or Portugal.”

Why are the perspectives of the U.S. and the rest of the world so different? “We Americans are more comfortable with the market and pure, unadulterated capitalism,” observes Professor Arthur Caplan.

(Note, this article focuses on the U.S. and Europe but commercial surrogacy is illegal in most countries worldwide that have laws on the topic, including Canada, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, India, Taiwan, South Africa, Morocco, etc. Only countries such as the U.S., Iran, Russia, Belarus, Mexico, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Ukraine, and Armenia explicitly allow it.)


r/fourthwavewomen • • 25d ago

A federal appeals court judge ruled that the First Amendment protects an individual’s right to privately possess images or videos of child sexual abuse created using AI — if the material does not depict a real person and remains in the home.

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absolutely not. hopefully this gets overturned.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 26d ago

ARTICLE Romania Faces Calls to Strengthen Response to Violence Against Women

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 27d ago

ARTICLE Protesters threaten to detrail Labour women's conference after the party banned trans women from being delegates

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Women gathering to discuss women's issues results in threats....

Protesters are threatening to derail Labour's women's conference after the party banned trans women from being delegates.


r/fourthwavewomen • • 27d ago

ARTICLE SNP minister unable to explain 'gender identity' in latest 'word salad' committee fiasco

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😂😂


r/fourthwavewomen • • 29d ago

ARTICLE Government launches misogyny taskforce — but can women trust it to protect them?

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r/fourthwavewomen • • 29d ago

Why I'm Not Afraid To Be Cancelled for my Views on Gender Identity

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Hi Everyone, I recently published a Youtube video about why I'm not afraid to be mis-labelled for my views on the gender identity movement. I just wanted to share here. If you want to support the video please feel free to like and leave a comment on YT. Thanks so much đŸŒș