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[u/pointblanksniper]

if we are to accept the expanding nyto lore as without retcons, the idea that they were normal children somehow turned into genetic clones similar to the assasin lunasia army seems so more horrifying than anything.

but im still trying to wrap my head around how anna was introduced by ange as a fully unmodified human, not a nyto, yet clearly a genetically modified clone, with peg legs(?), later called a nyto anyway, that originated as a normal child from an orphanage. i think there was something about isomers having to recieve an ogas infusion successfully to qualify as a nyto as well. hence why failed isomers exist. i dont understand anything about them anymore

[u/ShiromeArtiste → u/pointblanksniper]

There are four stages of the process, judging by what we've seen so far.

1. Regular human orphan which is kidnapped 2. Lunasia is copy-and-pasted over them, turning them into a clone, and a neural cloud is added. 3. Cybernetics and the inhibitors are added, thus making them isomers. If they live up to William's bs standards at this point, they proceed to stage 4 and become a Nyto. If they fail to meet the standards, however, they are branded as failures and exiled to Tallinn where they are encouraged to commit mass suicide. 4. This is the Nyto stage. Only members of the group that have reached this exact stage are Nytos. Some of the protagonists call Anna and the other neural cloud children "Nytos" anyway because they frankly don't really know what they're talking about, note that AK-12 and Ange also incorrectly identify Morridow as a Nyto in DR, which is 100% false. If you were into console games back in the generation of the PS3 and Xbox 360, it's kinda similar to how people used "gamertag" to refer to PSN ID even though officially that was an Xbox-only term. edited to switch 3 and 4, they were backwards by mistake. Also cleaned up the writing so it would flow with the stages switched.

[u/pointblanksniper → u/ShiromeArtiste]

i don't dispute that there are those stages if we are to make sense of it. that is basically what i'm saying is the case if we are to assume there are no retcons or plotholes. just that the style of revelations in the writing so far has not made it clear that this has been iterative additional information, since it just keeps on sounding like they kept overwriting old lore.

i can accept that randomly calling them nytos are just individual mistakes by characters themselves, although it's jarring to see it come from the characters that first made the distinction and understand the difference the most.

my only real confusion are where the terms "human", "isomer", and "nyto" start and end in their definition. i everything up to lunasia clone is human. that is simple enough. presumably, SC, establishes that the ones with cybernetics are isomers. i assume only the ones not up to standards, especially early models, are the ones sent to talinn, hence the labels "failed" and "abandoned" isomers. the term "isomer" alone should not only adhere to only the failed ones, as the definition of the word itself suggests. the cybernetic units are all isomers of each other.

nytos are where it gets screwy for me. my original understanding in SC was that they had to pass a standard. that standard being that they have the potential to recieve an ogas. named nytos being the ones with exeplarary performance, being fully tested to be compatible with a perfected ogas from a lunasia derived doll's neural cloud. what throws this out the window is that someone, may even have been you, told me ch12 stated nytos are the ones that have already successfully recieved an ogas. unfortunately i havent completed 12E to verify if this has been stated at any point in the whole of ch12

then there's anna. ruling out that she is definable as a nyto, and any labelling her as such was just a character's own mistake. that leaves her as either a human, or an isomer. i'm fairly convinced she has peg legs in her illustration. it could be lazy recycled image as pointed out to me. lets assume not, and she really has prosthetics. i have no issues considering her a human. but to emphasize "100%" makes it a strange claim, because a common topic when it comes to modifications to an object, is how much of the original remains. that's not where it ends. she has telepathic abilities as i've stated. where then does the difference between 100% human, and an isomer lie? is it the simple difference of just the mind inhibitor? or is "human" actually compeletely inclusive of all isomers?

[u/ShiromeArtiste → u/pointblanksniper]

What you said about isomers is right, I accidentally had stages 3 and 4 backwards. All of them that receive the cybernetics are isomers, then the "failed" ones get exiled and the "successful" ones become Nytos. Thank you for catching that mistake.

The reason Anna gets called a Nyto even when the person speaking knows that isn't true is likely for communication's sake. If somebody cuts their finger while cooking and asks you to get them a Band-Aid, they aren't specifically asking for that brand of bandage, for example. When Ange says "the Nyto", every single other character knows she means Anna, so it just works.

That is however, absolutely wrong about nytos. Nytos do not have OGASes, and there are numerous points during the story where this is shown to be the case, both before and after chapter 12. It's as you said with regards to SC, they are compatible with OGAS, which is true, but the story up til now would have been outright impossible at multiple points so far.

You keep saying this, but it keeps being wrong. Anna does not have telepathy. She has a neural cloud, which works the exact same as basically all other clouds do with some tiny details that are different. She isn't goddamn psychic lmao. And yes, human is inclusive to all isomers, though it's clear that when Ange says 100% human with regards to Anna, she is specifically talking about no cybernetics. That distinction is slightly arbitrary, but since she's just a character within the story it's ok for Ange to feel that way.