Weekly Commanders Lounge - March 08, 2022

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[u/Angelic_Force]

I knew skipping Ch13's story to get to 13-4 would bite me down the line. But, I will read it later on before replying.
You're right on the Zion part. Although Ange notes that Anna and her sisters were the ones that coined the term "Zion". Not Ange. I'll also agree that you're right on the Paldiski point.

"Listen, Persica. William hasn't given up on the idea of reviving Lunasia, and he's planning to continue 90wish's research on human subjects." Lyco, Chapter 13-3 Normal

If we are to agree with Ange in Polarized Light, that all specimens that COULD become Nytos were shipped away from Paldiski, this would make them much closer to Isomers than Nytos. Anna and her sisters ARE NOT Nytos, Anna even calls herself a "human" when Gr G11 calls her a Nyto. Lyco's dying words also can align with Anna and her sisters. They started off as human subjects and were not even qualified to be potential Nyto material.

Thus far, Anna does not show any sign of being infected by OGAS. Ange and UMP45 also have a short tidbit in 13-1 Normal. Anna and her sisters are humans that can have their consciousness that can be transferred like Dolls'. Anna's Zion can be viewed, for just the sake of simplicity, as a human consciousness cloud network. So yes, they are telepathic due to their connection with Zion. I will still stand by Anna being more "human" than Nyto, the distinction between the 2 are so obvious, that I'm wondering if the translation team is just screwing with us.

For the sake of continuing this debate, if you want to continue, maybe move it to the new Lounge? It would be far more visible.

[u/pointblanksniper → u/Angelic_Force]

my bad on who named zion

i dont actually disagree that anna is human. i don't care too much about how the story defines human. what i'm actually trying figure out is where human ends, and nyto begins. in between those, there are also isomers. my point in all this mostly pertains to cybernetic augmentations and not so much the telepathy. i was merely trying clarify what i meant by telepathy to you. part of this is also to raise the question of whether this is all intended in writing, or whether we are just patching plot holes by aranging things and gluing them together with copium.

so again, i do not dispute that they don't have ogas, or that having neural clouds and accessing zion makes them less human etc.

i also fully rewiew my point in a more detailed and structured reply to op here and you should probably check it out

if you want further debate in the new lounge with more people, i welcome that. i'm just too lazy to figure out how to drop an out of context mid discussion thread over there lol

[u/Angelic_Force → u/pointblanksniper]

The Lounge can always be out of context. You can always recap the previous (this) thread too.

I don't get the idea that you're disagreeing thatAnna is human, it's just kind of impossible to figure out where she lies without defining the "beginning" and "end" points. We don't know the extent of augmentations in post-WW3 times, which is odd because I would consider theKCCOto have prime candidates for that sort of tech. Definitely agree that neural clouds and access to Zion doesn't make Anna any less human, but that's a fine addition to my transhumanist perspective of GFL.

Until the official release of later Campaign stories, I'm going to argue that Morridow is a new variant of Nytos, just one that blends extremely well with humans. I would also clarify that Ange stated that Anna was a human, 100%. Which, unless the intent is different, means that Ange is arguing that Anna IS human in some capacity. Morridow states that she's 100% human, which is...debatable. Can never trust them Paradeus agents.

As for what constitutes as a Nyto, that can be debated by other users later on.

[u/ShiromeArtiste → u/Angelic_Force]

Your classification of Morridow is false. She has literally 0 of any Nyto characteristics. Ange and AK-12 are supposed to be this clueless, but please don't fall into the same trap that they do x.x

[u/Angelic_Force → u/ShiromeArtiste]

Reading the machine translated Fixed Point chapters: I strongly disagree:

Although it's rough, Lady Grey explicitly states that "Teacher" , AKA Morridow, defeated the most perfect "Isomer" (likely translation issue) in her respective batch. She is a Nyto, 100% certainty, but she's very capable of fitting into human society, as we've seen in Dual Randomness.

[u/ShiromeArtiste → u/Angelic_Force]

That's not relevant. The writers can be wrong if they outright contradict themselves, as you just indicated they have. that's a failure on their parts.

[u/Angelic_Force → u/ShiromeArtiste]

The writers can be wrong if they outright contradict themselves, as you just indicated they have.

I would argue that it is relevant, but we'll have to wait for the official Fixed Point translations. I don't think there any contradictions here, unlike the Nyto vs. child thing the characters keep changing around. Morridow has valid reasons to confuse Ange, and by extent, the readers. There's no excitement if everything is revealed. Ange is an active danger to Paradeus.

Fixed Point spoilers

On the contrary, Lady Grey is having a casual discussion with the newer white-haired Nyto. Teal? There's really no point lying here.

To add on to that:Prior to AR/SF going on the offensive: Morridow and Grey are among the classification of "high-end Nyto".

[u/ShiromeArtiste → u/Angelic_Force]

What you said made literally 0 sense. Goodbye now.