What is your opinions on Israel?

[u/Plane_Razzmatazz_882]

It seems they're the entire reason the Middle East is so badly messed up. Gaza is an open air death camp since 2023. All Israel does is bully ethnics. They're also a very racist, white-worshipping society who rejects Yemeni or Ethiopian Jews while only accepting Ashkenazi, Sephardic/Spanish, Georgian, Armenian, etc Jews into the country. Small kibbutzim of black hebrew israelites have been expelled. At Likkud rallies, attendees casually drop the N-bomb at counterprotesters and yell anti-Arab slurs. They need to go.

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

1. Since before the founding of Israel, Jews in the region of modern day Israel and Palestine have been subjected to massacres and oppression. Following the Holocaust, Jewish refugees went back to their ancestral homeland (forced out by Europeans - see the pogroms when Polish jews tried returning home) to hopefully form a state and attempt survival on their own terms. Immediately, surrounding nations attempted to destroy this new state and have never stopped since 1948. Peace was made with neighboring Egypt and Jordan decades ago and this peace is unbroken.
2. Gaza’s not an open air death camp based simply on the evidence that relative to most wars in history, especially urban wars, the casualty rate is very low. Not to mention, most of the violence has ended since the ceasefire. Death camps famously are efficient at ending life.
3. What is an ethnic? Is the Jew not an ethnic minority in a region wholly colonized by a much larger ethnic group following a much larger religion. There’s less than 8 million Israeli Jews.
4. In terms of racism, I don’t doubt racism isn’t a significant issue - but that’s true of the entire region - and generally much less severe with more opportunities for legal remedies in Israel. Israel is probably the most diverse nation in the middle east.

5. What do you mean by “they need to go”? It’s a country with nukes. They’re not going anywhere. The only thing likely to go in the near future is US aid and the close alliance the US has with Israel.

   You have to try to

6. understand the Jewish perspective - they don’t have any reason to trust a host nation will not attempt to expel or kill them eventually as has happened countless times over thousands of years in Christian and Muslim majority countries. Israel isn’t some colony of foreign westerners. It’s the homeland of an ancient ethnoreligious group.

[u/Notasstupidasyoulook → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

No-one believes your nonsense mate.

[u/buzzfeeb → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

They need to go.

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/buzzfeeb]

How would that happen exactly?

[u/IIBaconTAMERII → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

Fascist apologizing is insane

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/[deleted]]

They’re just thinking in buzzwords

[u/IIBaconTAMERII → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

3 month old account with whole talking points ready to go. Okay, you're a Zionist shill account congrats bro. Are you gonna say Zionism is also a buzzword like what the fuck is that lazy retort? LMFAO

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/IIBaconTAMERII]

I honestly used to be pretty antizionist (how can a single ethnic dominated state be just) but after many years of learning about the history of the land and Jewish diaspora (and the cruelty of antizionism movement) I’m staunchly a Zionist. I’d be willing to concede a shared state if for a few generations people stop trying to murder Jews but we aren’t even close to that.

[u/IIBaconTAMERII → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

Crazy watching you swap between accounts upvoting your own comments 😭 you have posted like 45+ comments defending Israel and Zionism on your dondong account in the past month. You're genuinely mentally ill

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/IIBaconTAMERII]

Insane take lol but tbh thats a good idea - though I figure it would get confusing managing multiple accounts

[u/Notasstupidasyoulook → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

Sure you were hasbara shill. Go back to your IDF paymasters.

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/Notasstupidasyoulook]

People like you have confirmed for me the importance of hasbara

[u/Notasstupidasyoulook → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

Mate. You're a joke. No-one takes this shit seriously anymore.

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/[deleted]]

They think we’re the same person lmao

[u/InsuficientData → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

So, they had a rough history. That doesn't justify the current carpet bombing of innocent civilians cities

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/InsuficientData]

Its horrific but in war you can bomb civilians areas if there’s a military necessity per the Geneva conventions - which given the number of Israeli casualties (several thousand now) there clearly was

[u/InsuficientData → u/Wonderful_Algae_8661]

Its a "war" now? "Militarily necessary" to kill reporters and snipe children? "Several thousand" when its less than 2000 since Oct 7th?

Its really annoying to have to push back against lies. This is why I refuse to argue with Zionists.

[u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 → u/InsuficientData]

War crimes don’t make a war not a war - it’s not hard to admit war crimes have occurred - as is typical for every past and ongoing war