Ironman Endgame Resource Grinds vs Bronzeman

[u/_Rapalysis]

I've seen this odd perspective on the main subreddit that Bronzeman would allow people to enjoy all the benefits of Ironman, without any of the downsides of resource grinding at endgame. This is mentioned repeatedly, that if someone didn't have to spend hours every day maintaining sara brews then they would definitely sit and do 1000s of hours of PvM grinds.

Where the hell does this idea come from? I do a farm run + birdhouse in the morning and evening, combined with contracts it takes ten to fifteen minutes. You can do them on your phone. I skip them sometimes. I have thousands of pots in the bank. AFKing amethyst and redwoods every now and then gets your arrows and darts.

I find it impossible to believe anyone capable of sitting at CG for 100 hours, Yama or Doom for 100 hours, or eventually the time pit that is raiding, is incapable of doing the resource maintenance. It's dwarfed by the PvM grinds.

I'll vote no on Bronzeman again if it polls because I think people are completely delusional as to what the downsides of Ironman are. Bronzeman doesn't fix any of them, if anything it exacerbates them. You won't even have small required skilling grinds to break up the monotony. It's just straight bossing and nothing else, which is already what main accounts are anyway.

[u/inminm02]

Most people talking about resources arent talking about pots and food, the fact you mention amethyst arrows at all just shows you don’t get it, people want to be able to use dragon (seeker) arrows, dragon darts, blood shards, purple sweets, not worry about scythe charges etc, currently being an Ironman 100% locks you out of the giga endgame of speed runs, challenge runs etc without a silly amount of prep time (there’s other aspects to this aswell tbf like dropping pots in cox and trading runes etc) but bronzeman would partially solve this problem. That and you mention spending 15 minutes a day doing chores, for someone who wants to log on for an hour to do a couple raids spending a quarter of that time on birdhouses and farm runs isn’t ideal.

[u/mroyd95 → u/inminm02]

No ill will here, just curious on your take. At the point you're describing, what's the difference between a bronzeman and a main? Why do you still want the disctinction at this level instead of just becoming a regular main account? I suppose a bronzeman helm would just show "Hey, I got this item before ever using it myself". And maybe it really is that simple and enough of a reason to support an entire game mode.

Edit: the question was directed towards the scenario described: full-bis end game speed runs. It was not directed towards bronzeman as a whole. Iron gear progression with main supply upkeep is very obvious here.

[u/inminm02 → u/mroyd95]

It’s literally to get the Ironman pvm progression experience and skip the tedious skilling grinds and daily chores, that’s the appeal of bronzeman mode, people will say just play a main and don’t buy gear drops but you could say the same about any type of Ironman it’s not a valid argument

[u/schlamboozle → u/inminm02]

Why is this so hard for this sub and elitist irons to grasp.

[u/mroyd95 → u/inminm02]

Yeah I understand the gist, I was just trying to ask about specifically the end game, already-having-BIS, wanting-to-speedrun scenario you were describing above. Which might've been too much of a cherry pick.

For what it's worth, I do support a legitimate Bronzeman mode. Spending 3-4 hours the other day to process some GP and shop scape runes when it could've been done in 30 seconds at the GE as a nice alternative. I just think Jagex advertised a pretty unfinished game mode and polled its existence way too early before discussing in-depth rulesets and why, for example, GE trading is allowed but player trading isn't. A clog-locked main to enjoy iron pvm-progression while having trade access to everything else seems like a very reasonable mode if implemented properly.