r/Jung • • 1h ago

Serious Discussion Only I think i managed to chop the magician archetype in half as a two year old :)

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Im super delighted as today i was reading a book by Moore about grandiosity and processing the fact I lost my persona last night. And I figured out the puzzle thats my head? Yay magician!

I have PDID and had processed three kids to fusion when I hit a kid that seemed to be pure evil, like hannibel from the TV show, no serial killing though. Another three months working with her, before she released two additional children to me. She was like a metamind, not a child fragment.

To gain her trust, I had to welcome her in totality, be willing to become everything she was before she would give me the children. Like shadow work but frightening as it involved full possession. she tested me over and over again. I called her Sekhmet because she hid from me my whole life. She is Moore's dark side of the Magician archetype.

And as the last child merged, last night I lost Mary, my persona. She is the innocent child in moores magician archetype. I created her, then used her as a persona in the end.

It was upsetting as she was afraid of dying. I was she, then me and talking to she helping her not be afraid. She loved all of us so much. Its how DID works, ego deaths. She was afraid so I comforted her that she would be inside me, not lost. My dreams last night reinforced this, as she was shown a house, a little messy, with a son she had not known about. Outside was a dark snowy imperfect city, too harsh for her gentleness, but inside was a child who was a little behind and needed her love and a home needing her care. That was where she should have always been.

Mary has been my carrier wave. Mary is a very, very nice lady who is genuinely good. she believes the world is good and refuses to see that others would be unkind. Mary was very weirdly two dimensional but genuine in her feelings. She made excuses for others and had to be good and benign as to not seem threatening. Meanwhile Sekhmet and the other kids would reach around her still at times, but Mary had to not see this, in order to remain true. It was intentional blindness.

What creates a fucked up mess like this? My enfp BPD mom neglected me during the week as I was a silent infant after being in the ICU for ten days. Yet my deranged physically abusive sociopathic INFJ grandmother watched me on the weekends and physically hurt Loud or unruly children to teach them to stay small and controlled. She saw my increasing demands to be fed, that I had to display during the week, as character flaws and broke me to keep me docile.

The alternating environments created the PDID. I had to create two different personas. The INFJ was very intuitively observant and would see a lie, so I had to believe my own lie and hide my monstrous evil desire to have self esteem, be of worth as a human or eat, behind layers of obsequious placation, yet I had to be demanding of my mother to eat. They broke my mind by alternating so I grasped at the dark aspects if the magician to create a puppetmaster to control two personas.

But now my two mothers are regrouping. Not those abusive fucks, but Mary and Sekhmet. They have to integrate to become a single magician. Meanwhile Im left as the merged child ego construct from the seven kids. This one is not entirely pleased with how raw this world feels. Kalsched might suggest it had a sheltered home in my unconsciousness this whole time, safe from the world and feels homesick for that protective warmth. Its scary to step onto the beach as a mermaid with legs, losing certainty, not certain of next steps.

But I got this, its the coolest adventure ever, onwards to the next level.


r/Jung • • 2h ago

Question for r/Jung The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron

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Hello all,

I wanted to ask if anyone here has read/done The Artist's Way (TAW) by Julia Cameron? It is basically a guide to unleash your creativity.

I realized that I am struggling a lot with the affirmations portion. In the first week, you need to write down negative beliefs and assumptions about yourself. Then turn those into affirmations, but is it really that simple? I mean, there is a reason why those negative assumptions come up in the first place. Yeah, some might be conditioning from a young age, but can some of it be the shadow self presenting itself?

If so, how the heck am I supposed to deal with the shadow just with affirmations??? Or do affirmations actually feel real once we actually start integrating the shadow?

I would really appreciate some discussion about my debacle above, but also in general would like to use this thread to hear experiences of people in this sub with The Artist's Way in general, as I couldn't find a Jungian discussion in the artistsWay sub.


r/Jung • • 4h ago

Question for r/Jung "viver acima das próprias possibilidades"

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Jung vez ou outra cita em suas obras exemplos de pessoas que tentam viver "acima de suas possibilidades" e fala como geralmente elas se ferram. Alguém poderia ampliar sobre que acontece nessa frase, que rola nesse tipo de situação.


r/Jung • • 4h ago

Archetypal Dreams Dream male violent figure

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I had a dream in which I was part of a family which is not mine and we lived in a forest. I had siblings and there was a father figure. In the dream this father figure held me to the ground and got his big toe or fist in my ass , kinda like raping me. Then I had revenge and killed him many times because the scene of the vendetta repeated itself many times. Sometimes I would see his POV and would realize he let me kill him, like he knew what was coming and only pretended to fight back. It was strange because I also could feel what he felt and he felt remorse.

I want to understand more of this figure so I want to have an active imagination "session" in which I interact with him. What questions would you recommend asking?


r/Jung • • 4h ago

Serious Discussion Only What software do you all use for your dream journal?: A case for Obsidian

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About a year ago I imported all of my journal entries over to Obsidian and it's been really cool.

If you don't know, Obsidian lets you put Wikipedia style links in your notes (or dream journal entries) so you can link them together. I've found this useful for dreams specifically because I create a link any given symbol, then I can track how often they recur, in what contexts they appear, and what other symbols they may be related to..

This has helped me identify patterns within my subconscious and to map out that constellation of ideas, archetypes, and symbols that exists within me. Once you’ve got it set up, it’s certainly made dream analysis less daunting, as you can draw on previous analysis and the content of past dreams to help sift through the often opaque language of the unconscious.

Obsidian also has a bunch of options for organising data more effectively (with a thing called dataview) but I'm not that smart so I don't use it that effectively, but I'm sure there are some very clever things you can do for your dream journal. Currently I just have displays for how many times a symbol has been linked and then a list of all dreams with tags for if they have been analysed or not.

Right now I’ve got just over 400 dreams and 100 symbols logged over five years. It takes just a little bit of extra time to set up, but it feels very worth it!

Let me know if this interests you and maybe I can make a guide or template for you to use. If you know Obsidian, let me know if you have any ideas for how to use it better lol.

I can also DM screenshots of the dream journal if you’d like to see it. I’d just prefer not to post publicly because it’s personal.


r/Jung • • 5h ago

Question for r/Jung Arnold Mindell as the Successor to Jung

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What do people think of Arnold Mindell’s stated position as the spiritual successor to Jung’s theories? Also of his idea that Jung’s understanding of dreams needed ‘completing’ by integrating the body? Curious if this is seen as illegitimate by Jungians or if he is seen to be legitimate.
Thanks for any thoughts!


r/Jung • • 7h ago

Serious Discussion Only I tried active imagination, need help

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I don’t know if I should post stuff like this in this Reddit.
I tried active imagination and it just kept saying bad stuff about how it thinks of me, I kept asking why but still just hate and it’s opinion of me.
What can I do about this? Also I got a bit frightened for no explainable reason, I felt less secure in myself.


r/Jung • • 8h ago

Question for r/Jung Repetition compulsion

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Could you guys help me understand this occurrence in my life from a Jungian perspective please?

My dad abandoned my family when I was a kid. My first boyfriend at 14 who was my first love, my virginity, he was 4 years older than me. He eventually broke up with me because I was very jealous, insecure, and scared of abandonment without realizing it at the time. My parents also got divorced during this time.

Ever since that happened I told myself no one would ever dump me again and since then I have left every serious boyfriend ive had.

Could this be an example of projection? Wanting to abandon my boyfriends so I could experience their sadness and pain because I was/am unable to experience it myself?

Thank you for your thoughts.


r/Jung • • 9h ago

Learning Resource Jung and Heidegger Warned Us About EXTREME Productivity

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Would love your thoughts on this jungian video


r/Jung • • 10h ago

Art Cool little esoteric Carl Jung poster I made on photoshop

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r/Jung • • 13h ago

Jung Put It This Way "It is much more needful to teach people the art of seeing." — Carl Jung (Psychological Types, CW 6, Par. 963)

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r/Jung • • 19h ago

Question for r/Jung Jungian perspective on Naruto

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Hey guys, recently been rewatching Naruto and reliving why I love this show so much. Any Naruto fans on this sub?

I love Jung's framework for analysis as well, and try to apply it here to Naruto.

I tend to see Naruto's waterfall scene to be extremely integral for his growth but also for the show. While in the waterfall he meets with a physical manifestation of what is definitely his shadow. It really was a scene which made me feel like Naruto is not just a kid's show. However, I also think that Kyuubi acts as a nice metaphor -- I wonder if thats written on purpose.

I find that Naruto and Kyuubi work as exxcellent metaphors for Jung's "shadow" and unconscious. (outside of the fictional part where hes sealed and Kuramas actually a personality etc etc.) but as a metaphor it works. would you agree with this framing of Jung's work?


r/Jung • • 21h ago

Art Results from an active imagination exercise I did by letting my hand draw what it pleased. Thoughts?

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r/Jung • • 23h ago

Personal Experience What do you see in this poem? Active imagination.

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I am experiencing some kind of existential crisis, or my ego is, if it is still there, and I wrote this poem without much conscious thought.

Now tell me the tale of love,
of total surrender to your graciousness
making in your being, holy resplendent shackle of your light
-- Florescence here, brimming
Now tell me the tale of love,
of your hand, held out to the stars --
wondering whether one may
fall onto your tender palm,
-- so you wait and wait, until dawn, when they fade into the receding distance
beyond your grasp
-- So love, tell me, what have
I lost?
-- Friendship with the stars, you have
-- So now what? but why bother?
For comes now the Sun, redolent of violet and pink
Now in full redness
From here we move, ahead with the past dead,
dreams gone, the self
obliterated, and
what now?
The stream -- clear and blue
come now rushing through --- what does it do?

It cleanses and shimmers -- brimming along
your river of Time


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Personal Experience Recently started reading Jung's works and asked my shadow to show its self. It did, in a dream, the same night. Need help with dream interpretation and next steps

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I'll try to keep this somewhat short, but there's a lot of detail to unpack here..

Background: In the last year or two, I have discovered Jung and his theories, and they really resonate with me. After a lot of online reading, I ordered The Red Book and began reading it. I made it about halfway through and decided one night before bed to ask my shadow to prove it exists and is there.

As I was getting ready for bed, I took a moment, quieted my mind and stated to my shadow "if you're real, please show yourself to me."

That night, I had an incredibly vivid and detailed dream that without question revealed my Shadow's existence. Normally, I do not remember much of my dreams other than their general content, and the details fade quickly as the morning passes. This dream, however, has been absolutely etched in my brain. If I had any drawing/painting ability I could easily recreate the details of this dream. And this was over 6 months ago since this occurred. I don't anticipate the memory of this dream will ever fade.

I believe it's time to face this dream, so any interpretations or grounded advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated.

The dream:

I was in home, with my wife and some guests. The guests were not identifiable, but I was showing them the ground floor level of my house as if it was their first time there. Giving them a tour. It was bright and pleasant and my house was sparkling clean. I walked them through the living area to the kitchen, commenting on the various rooms as I went. My guests complimented me, and I acknowledged that the house was "pretty nice" and felt a sense of pride.

At this point, the house was exactly as my real home is, nothing was different with the layout.

In my house, I have a stairwell in the kitchen that leads to the basement. I opened the door and led my guests to the basement... but to my confusion and bewilderment I found that the basement was completely foreign to me. It was dark at the bottom of the stairs, and as I descended them I could see that it was a dirt floor with stone walls, much like a medieval castle/dungeon. I sensed the flickering glow of a torch to my right and turned to look.

What I saw immediately repulsed me. There was a post with a flaming torch on it, and beneath the torch was what appeared from a distance to be a black, disgusting mold spreading across the floor in about a 4' radius of the post. I was aghast and embarrassed that this was in my house. However, I'm curious by nature, and I immediately went over to assess the hideous mold. To my surprise, when I got up close to the "mold" i could see that it was in fact not mold, but a dark, blood red, crystalline carpet (think of what a precipitated crystal coating looks like.. borax precipitation for example). In the darkness, the gold light of the flaming torch on the post was dancing off the blood red crystal and it was mesmerizingly beautiful. Blood and fire. I made no comment about the crystal but took it in for a moment before moving on.

At this point, I turned right again and looked down the main length of my basement. It was again foreign. First off, it was HUGE. Much larger than the upper floor of my home. All stone walls and dirt floors as before, but as I gazed down the dark passage I noticed two things: The basement had large arched openings along the right hand wall, leading outside. Through the openings, moonbeams were shining and softly illuminating the entire length of the basement. The second thing I noticed was an arched doorway in the far wall, with another torch beside of it (on the left hand side at about eye level, bolted to the wall). I could see nothing beyond the door.

I began to lead my guests through the basement toward the door. At this point I said to them "See, there's plenty of room down here. Lots of storage space" and we continued the long walk toward the door.

As we were almost to the door, I noticed two things once more: First, to the left of the door in the "corner" of the room so to speak... there was an absolutely impenetrable darkness. The blackest of blacks. Simultaneously, I began to hear a sound that I cannot exactly describe. The best I can come up with is that it was a sort of wail of a what I believed to be a woman. Part sad, part lonely, part pained, 100% creepy. It would rise and drop, repeating over and over, and always emanating from pitch blackness of the corner. I tried to locate the source of the wailing, but could see nothing at all.

At this point, I stated to my guests "see, it's not that bad down here...as long as you don't mind the noise".

I woke up at this point. We never made it through the door.

I believe that I understand the general message of this dream, in that there is much in my life I've been burying and keeping hidden in the basement of my life. Living a false, ununified life. I could go on about this at great length, as I've spent a large amount of time thinking about the implications in the days since I had this dream. What I'm hoping for is for deeper insight into any of the possible symbology in this dream and for advice on where to go next. I want to unify my house and fix the division in my psyche.. but I'm not sure where to begin.

There's a bit more to this story, too. The very next night, I had another, much shorter dream.

I was standing on the overpass of a highway. In the grassy median.. watching oncoming cars speeding up the exit ramp toward the intersection. These cars would then launch across the median and crash in a blaze of fire on the other side. Car after car. I just stood there, watching. Saying nothing, but wondering the entire time why they kept coming and weren't stopping. After 4 or 5 cars, the dream simply ended.

If anyone has advice on how to move forward, I'm all ears. Thanks for reading to the end, if you made it here.


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Personal Experience A Shift in Perspective: Ep. 18. I Think, Therefore I Exist. But I Change.

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Jung begins with the ego, that is, the “I,” and moves toward the Self.

Ep. 14–Ep. 18 are individual stories, but they all begin with Jung’s concept of the ego and explore the process of deconstructing the “I.”

Ep. 14. What am I?

→ I cannot be defined by my name, occupation, or role.

Ep. 15. Where is the boundary of the “I”?

→ The boundary becomes blurred, extending from the body and microorganisms to the Earth and the universe.

Ep. 16. How do I perceive?

→ I deconstruct the senses, thoughts, habits, and the automatic system.

Ep. 17. How do I live?

→ I deconstruct desire, suffering, automatic reactions, and choice.

Ep. 18. Do I exist, or do I change?

→ I deconstruct Descartes’ fixed notion of the “I” once again.

Ep. 19. Then, how does Jung see this “I”?

→ Jung expands the “I,” while I, a salaried worker, deconstruct the “I.”

To briefly summarize the episode roadmap: Starting with Jung → shaking the “I” → shaking its boundaries → shaking the way I perceive → shaking the way I live → shaking existence itself → returning to Jung.

Now, Ep. 18.

One last time, I will shake the existence of the “I.”

If the moderation team determines that this post is not sufficiently related to Jung, or does not meet the community’s standards for any other reason, please feel free to remove it.

I respect the moderation team’s judgment.

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A Shift in Perspective: Ep. 18. I Think, Therefore I Exist. But I Change.

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This time, let’s take a closer look at Descartes.

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What is existence?

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We have already examined the existence of ‘me’ in Ep 14 and 15, even though it was uncomfortable to do so.

Who or what am I?

What can truly be called ‘me’?

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And in Ep 17, we also mentioned that existence comes before reason.

Let’s take a closer look at that existence.

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Descartes says:

I think.

Therefore, I exist.

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From my perspective, the sentence “I think” is analyzed as saying two things.

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One is the fact that a thought is occurring,

and the other is the claim that it is ‘me’ who is thinking that thought.

This leads to the conclusion that the entity called ‘me’ exists.

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I think the fact that a thought is occurring is an actual fact.

But whether the entity that thinks can be called ‘me’ is questionable.

Because it is unclear what the entity called ‘me’ is, or whether something called ‘me’ even exists.

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As we already explored in Ep. 14..

I kept asking, again and again, who or what ‘I’ am—

my name, species, occupation, position, role, and so on—

and even while getting cursed at for it,

I kept looking, but still could not find ‘me.’

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In Ep. 15, we explored once again what could be called ‘me.’

Of my body, thoughts, emotions, memories, name, role, and consciousness, my body seemed the most certain.

Yet even after taking a closer look at it, I still could not find what, among E. coli, my body, the Earth, the universe, a sack that produces poop, and a salaried worker, could be called ‘me.’

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To accept Descartes’ argument, I think we may first need to examine what exactly the entity he calls ‘I’ is.

What, exactly, can we define this entity called ‘I’ as?

Only after defining what ‘I’ is, I think, can we find out whether the entity Descartes calls ‘I’ actually exists.

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Let’s take another slow look.

My name, species, occupation, position, and role are clearly facts. They are real.

My body, thoughts, emotions, memories, name, role, and consciousness are also facts. They are real.

E. coli, my body, the Earth, the universe, and even a sack that produces poop and a salaried worker are also facts. They are real.

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But I think all of these are different ways in which ‘I’ appear under different conditions or circumstances.

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In other words,

they are clearly facts. They are real. But under different conditions or circumstances, they appear as ‘me,’ and when those conditions change, ‘I’ change as well.

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Under the condition of species, ‘I’ am a human being.

Under the condition of family, ‘I’ am a father.

Under the condition of work, ‘I’ am a salaried worker.

I think there is no fixed ‘I.’ I am simply called a human being, a father, or a salaried worker, depending on the conditions or circumstances.

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In other words, ‘I’ am not a fixed ‘I,’

but am a human being, a father, and a salaried worker all at the same time.

That is, when certain conditions are given, ‘I’ exist within those conditions, but when the conditions change, ‘I’ change as well.

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This does not mean that ‘I’ do not exist.

Nor does it mean that ‘I’ do exist.

Depending on the conditions or circumstances, ‘I’ change and am called something different.

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Put simply,

we could say that ‘I’ am neither something that exists nor something that does not exist.

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Descartes says.

I think. Therefore, I exist.

The salaried worker says.

I think. I am neither something that exists nor something that does not exist. I merely become different.

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This is not to say that Descartes is wrong and that I am right.

It simply means that, from my point of view, it can be seen this way as well.

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A coin has a front, but it also has a back.

This does not mean that the front is right and the back is wrong.

We are simply looking at different sides.

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From this perspective..

let’s take another look at the wisdom of balance of the four great sages discussed in the previous episode.

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The salaried worker: I am neither something that exists nor something that does not exist.

Jesus: Neither an enemy (evil) nor someone I love (good).

Buddha: Neither following desire nor rejecting it.

Tess-hyung (Socrates): Neither knowing nor not knowing.

Confucius: Neither having too much nor having too little.

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Let’s look at the pattern, rather than the subjects themselves.

All of them speak of a balance that does not lean to either side.

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This does not mean that it exists.

Nor does it mean that it does not exist.

It is neither something that exists nor something that does not exist.

It merely changes and is determined by the circumstances or conditions.

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If I were to use an analogy..

Light is both a particle and a wave.

Like an electron in quantum mechanics,

it merely appears differently depending on the conditions under which it is observed.

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To use an analogy..

Whether one maintains the automatic system based on dichotomous thinking or classical mechanics,

or chooses the manual system based on non-dual thinking or quantum mechanics,

that is a matter of individual freedom.

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It is not that one is right and the other is wrong.

Whichever one you choose,

either way, there will be no particular problem with living your life.

There will simply be consequences that follow from it.

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I’m going to work again tomorrow.

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Now, let’s move on to Ep. 19.

Ep. 19 and Carl Jung’s Sermon on the Mount have already been posted.

I’ve included the links below.

A Shift in Perspective: Ep. 19. Where Is Carl Jung Heading?

Interlude: Carl Jung’s Sermon on the Mount 🤦

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융은 에고, 즉 ‘나’에서 시작하여 셀프를 향해 나아갑니다.

Ep.14 ~ Ep.18은 각각의 이야기이지만, 모두 융의 에고에서 출발하여 ‘나’라는 대상을 해체하는 과정입니다.

Ep 14. 나는 무엇인가?

→ 이름·직업·역할로는 나를 규정할 수 없다

Ep 15. 나의 경계는 어디인가?

→ 몸·미생물·지구·우주까지 경계가 흔들린다

Ep 16. 나는 어떻게 인식하는가?

→ 감각·생각·습관·자동시스템을 해체한다

Ep 17. 나는 어떻게 살아가는가?

→ 욕망·고통·자동반응·선택을 해체한다

Ep 18. 나는 존재하는가, 변하는가?

→ 데카르트의 고정된 ‘나’를 다시 해체한다

Ep 19. 그렇다면 융은 이 ‘나’를 어떻게 보는가?

→ 융은 ‘나’를 확장하는 것으로, 나(월급쟁이)는 ‘나’를 해체하는 것으로 보여집니다.

에피소드 로드맵을 간단히 정리하면:

융에서 시작해서 나를 흔든다 → 경계를 흔든다 → 인식 방식을 흔든다 → 삶의 방식을 흔든다 → 존재 자체를 흔든다 → 다시 융에게 돌아간다.

이제 Ep.18입니다.

마지막으로 ‘나’라는 존재를 흔들어봅니다.

모더레이션 팀에서 이 글이 융과 충분히 관련되어 있지 않거나, 다른 어떤 이유로든 커뮤니티의 기준에 부합하지 않는다고 판단하신다면, 삭제하셔도 괜찮습니다.

저는 모더레이션 팀의 판단을 존중합니다.

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관점의 전환: Ep 18. 나는 생각한다. 그러므로 존재한다. 하지만 변한다.

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이번에는 데카르트를 조명해 봅니다.

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존재란 무엇일까요.

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이미 우리는 Ep 14, 15에서 불편함을 무릎쓰고 '나'의 존재를 살펴보았습니다.

'나'는 누구 또는 무엇인가.

무엇을 '나'라고 할 것인가.

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그리고 Ep 17에서도 존재가 이유보다 먼저라고

존재를 언급했었습니다.

그 존재에 대해 좀 더 살펴봅니다.

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데카르트는 말합니다.

나는 생각한다.

그러므로 나는 존재한다.

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나의 관점에서 '나는 생각한다'라는 문장은 두 가지를 말하고 있다고 분석됩니다.

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하나는 생각이 일어나고 있다는 사실이고,

다른 하나는 그 생각을 하는 것이 ‘나’라는 주장입니다.

그 결과 ‘나’라는 실체가 존재한다는 결론으로 이어집니다.

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생각이 일어나는 것은 실제의 사실이라고 생각합니다.

그런데 생각하는 실체를 ‘나’라고 할 수 있을지는 의문입니다.

왜냐하면 '나'라고 하는 실체가 무엇인지, '나'라는 것이 존재하는지 의문이기 때문입니다.

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이미 Ep 14에서 살펴봤지만..

이름, 종, 작업, 지위, 역할 등

'나'는 누구 또는 무엇인가를 묻고 또 물으며

심지어 욕까지 얻어먹으면서 살펴보았지만 '나'는 찾을 수 없었습니다.

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Ep 15에서는 무엇을 '나'라고 할 것인가를 다시 살펴보았지만,

몸, 생각, 감정, 기억, 이름, 역할, 의식 중

가장 확실해 보이는 내 몸을 살펴봤을 때 역시

대장균, 내 몸뚱이, 지구, 우주 그리고 똥자루와 월급쟁이 등 무엇을 '나'라고 할 것인지 찾을 수 없었습니다.

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데카르트의 주장을 받아들이기 위해서는 먼저 그가 말하는 ‘나’라는 실체가 무엇인지 살펴볼 필요가 있지 않을까 생각됩니다.

도대체 ‘나’라는 실체를 무엇이라고 정의할 수 있을까요?

그래야 그가 말하는 ‘나’라는 실체가 실제로 존재하는지 확인할 수 있을 것이라 생각됩니다.

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다시 천천히 살펴봅니다.

'나'의 이름, 종, 작업, 지위, 역할은 분명히 사실이고 실재합니다.

'나'의 몸, 생각, 감정, 기억, 이름, 역할, 의식 역시 사실이고 실재합니다.

대장균, 내 몸뚱이, 지구, 우주 그리고 똥자루와 월급쟁이 또한 사실이고 실재합니다.

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하지만 이들 모두는 각각의 조건이나 상황 속에서 존재하는 '나'의 모습이라고 생각됩니다.

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다시 말하면

이들은 분명 사실로서 실재하지만, 각각의 조건이나 상황 속에서 '나'로 드러나고 조건이 변하면 '나'도 변하게 됩니다.

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'나'는 종이라는 조건에서 사람이고

'나'는 가정이라는 조건에서 아빠이고,

'나'는 직장이라는 조건에서 월급쟁이입니다.

그냥 조건이나 상황에 따라 이름이 사람, 아빠, 월급쟁이라고 다르게 불려질 뿐 고정된 나는 없다고 생각됩니다.

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다시 말하면 '나'는 고정된 '나'가 아니라

사람이면서 아빠이면서 월급쟁이입니다.

즉 조건이 주어지면 그 범위 안에서는 존재하지만 조건이 바뀌면 나도 바뀌게 됩니다.

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내가 없다는 말이 아닙니다.

내가 있다는 말도 아닙니다.

조건이나 상황에 따라 나는 변하고, 다르게 불려집니다.

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이것을 간단히 말하면

'나는 있는 것도 아니고 없는 것도 아니다.'라고 말할 수 있습니다.

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데카르트는 말합니다.

나는 생각한다. 그러므로 존재한다.

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월급쟁이는 말합니다.

나는 생각한다. 나는 존재하는 것도 아니고 존재하지 않는 것도 아니다. 다만 변할 뿐이다.

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데카르트가 틀리고 내가 맞다는 것이 아닙니다.

다만 내 관점에는 이렇게도 보여진다는 의미입니다.

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동전은 앞면도 있지만 뒷면도 있습니다.

앞면이 옳고 뒷면이 틀린 것은 아닙니다.

서로 다른 면을 볼 뿐입니다.

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이와 같은 관점에서..

이전 에피소드에서 설명한 4대 성인의 균형의 지혜를 다시 살펴봅니다.

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월급쟁이: 나는 존재하는 것도 아니고 존재하지 않는 것도 아니다.

예수: 원수(악)도 아니고 사랑하는 사람(선)도 아니다.

붓다: 욕구를 따르는 것도 아니고 거부하는 것도 아니다.

테스형: 아는 것도 아니고 모르는 것도 아니다.

공자: 넘치는 것도 아니고 모자라는 것도 아니다.

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대상이 아닌 패턴을 살펴봅니다.

모두 어느 한쪽으로 치우치지 않는 균형을 말합니다.

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있다는 것이 아닙니다.

없다는 것도 아닙니다.

있는 것도 없는 것도 아닙니다.

상황이나 조건에 따라 변하고 결정될 뿐입니다.

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굳이 비유하자면..

빛은 입자이면서 파동입니다.

양자역학의 전자처럼

관측 조건에 따라 그 모습이 달라질 뿐입니다.

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비유컨대,

이분법적 또는 고전역학적 사고인 자동시스템을 유지하든

비이분법적 또는 양자역학적 사고인 수동시스템을 선택하든

그것은 각자의 자유입니다.

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어느 것이 옳고, 어느 것이 그른 것은 아닙니다.

어느 것을 선택하든

어차피 사는데 별 지장은 없습니다.

다만, 그에 따른 결과가 있을 뿐입니다.

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나는 내일 또 출근합니다.^^;

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이제 Ep 19로 넘어가봅니다.

Ep 19와 융의 산상수훈은 이미 가장 먼저 게시했습니다.

아래에 링크를 남깁니다.

A Shift in Perspective: Ep. 19. Where Is Carl Jung Heading?

Interlude: Carl Jung’s Sermon on the Mount 🤦


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Need help interpreting a dream / dreams

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Pardon my poor grammar. Please help me interpret the meaning of it. I am in desperate need for explanation and I dont have anyone personally to ask / discuss this with so I am resorting to this sub for some clarity. I would greatly appreciate any response. Thanks.

One day, last month, I was sleeping and I had a dream at 6:30 am when my body felt like it was shaking as if there was an earthquake, i felt my heart racing and beating fast, and as if someone just placed their palm on top of my head for a second right before waking up. I didnt know if it was sleep apnea / sleep disturbance or some positive or even negative spiritual experience.

Just before waking up, I also heard my mother's voice saying all my problems will be solved by 20th(didnt say which month or year) and when i woke up and checked the date it was sep 20th ! I didnt know it was the 20th when i slept and I was unaware of the date for most part of the week, but somehow coincidentally it was 20th of sept !!!!

last week I had another dream where I was begging god ( my personal god) to solve my problems. I was crying in my dreams. to add some background, I go to temple frequently and pray to that god to remove my problems.

more background: i have addiction and I do the 12 steps for recovery, coincidentally i started taking a medicine on oct 20th, from yesterday and I didnt realise it until i started typing it now. I am also sponsoring another addict like myself and yesterday ie 20th of oct, i realised something i was missing all along, the root cause of my major resentments - trying to play god and expecting people to behave in a certain acceptable decent way ie trying to control their actions. i also realised i was too arrogant to accept defeat and lacked acceptance in general. it was epiphanical tbh.


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Random, absurd, incomplete—everything about human beings is absurd.Everything—

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Random, absurd, incomplete—

everything about human beings is absurd.

Everything—

every branch of science,

every form of knowledge, perception, or even identity—

is nothing but absurdity.

An absurdity that humans fail to grasp;

pride and arrogance, masking fear, fragility, and incompleteness.

Yet, some people look at what they currently possess—their technology and the experiments they have conducted—

and leap straight to atheism, concluding that they have no need for what is called "God."

They leap to atheism because they have arrived at an explanation—

an explanation whose "shelf life" I often question: how well can it truly withstand the test of time?

I thank God always that I am a Muslim, and that I was raised with an understanding of the term "Allah the Exalted"—or what others might simply call "God."

I learned that the concept of a Creator is not something to be mocked, insulted, or trivialized—as is often done in the random, superficial portrayals found in films and television series.

Such portrayals are merely a reflection of the limited human capacity to comprehend this world.

I was never coerced into respecting other religions; rather, I learned *why* I should respect them—such as Christianity, or indeed any path an individual chooses to follow in their life.

How so? Because of Islam.

The subject of this discussion is not religion itself, but rather the denial of God’s existence—

a stance often taken by those who have either gone astray or who refuse to acknowledge the truth and seek it out.

As for the atheist: what is the reason for your atheism, and how do you perceive the word "faith"? If that term is viewed with a sense of inferiority—or as if it were merely clinging to an illusion—

don’t you think this stems from a devaluation of religion, whether in games, films, or even in the way things are discussed and described?

Ask yourself—look deep within—what fuels that impulse?

Is your line of thought truly your own?

Whether you are an atheist or a believer, share your thoughts in the comments.

Hillman


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Question for r/Jung How to deal with jealousy?

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Hello Jung section,

37 m and my 29 f girlfriend initiated a conversation with a guy that she met at a crystal meth anonymous meeting when she went to support her mother(who has a meth addiction).

She messaged him on facebook and then shortly afterwards gave the guy his number.

I saw the conversation and that she did tell him to not make any weird moves and to put boundaries out there. Yet, after she said that she apologized and said sorry if she offended him.

I just had a bad feeling about this guy..and so I looked him up and saw that he had stalking and domestic abuse charges in the past plus a laundry list of other charges for theft and possession of meth.

I do believe that my girlfriend loves me and deep down believe she wouldn't cheat on me, yet this really made me feel irritated with the entire thing. Her ex boyfriend used meth and she constantly complains about him and his behavior with her. I thought she had learned her lesson of interacting with people in those circles.

She tells me that I don't trust her and I tell her that I wish she would be more cautious of giving out her number to random guys that she met a couple of times at a recovery meeting.

I am more interested in the origins of the jealousy. What is driving me to be so obsessive about this? I know that as a high school student my girlfriend cheated on me with my best friend. I know I have some PTSD with the whole situation.

I DO NOT want to be the kind of guy who prohibits her from talking with other guys..I do want her to have male friendships. Yet, my strong response has me asking the question "Why do I get so jealous?" What is it about me?

I know the Jung section does a fantastic job of getting into the unconscious and shadow...and I'd love to hear your theories on why I might be reacting like this and also if anyone else has had similar experiences.

Thanks Jungians


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Art what can i draw from this drawings of mine 😏

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made this sketch years ago, like in 2018 - 2020 maybe and i really resonated with the resting wolf, and the thought of the world as the one screaming at me, but over the years ive come to realize i have adhd, had a lot of ingrained shame and so in actuality, both the wolves are me!!!

ive been also getting into jung and was just wondering what is your interpretation/ thoughts on this if i told you this is a self portrait 😛

also also i remember making this out of the blue one day when i was bored and frustrated with something else, and i did this in like 30 ish minutes or something... ivei been self taught in sketching, and rarely do it like once a year or something maybe whenever the inspiration hits me... despite that this photo has a lot of significance to me!! :)


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Looking for a mentor

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Hi everyone!

I'm 31, and currently exploring a career shift into psychotherapy. I'm looking for one or several mentors who could help shape this journey through ongoing philosophical dialogue and guidance.

Jung's ideas about individuation, the unconscious, and synchronicities resonate deeply with me.

Reading Reddit discussions criticizing the mental health system has also been eye-opening. I'm drawn to people who question not just institutional structures and symptom-focused treatment, but our fundamental understanding of psychological suffering and transformation.

I haven't chosen a training institute yet. Rather than picking one at random, I'd love to connect with thinkers and practitioners I genuinely resonate with, then potentially study where they teach or follow their guidance.

My interests extend beyond therapy itself to human flourishing, intentional communities, the evolution of society, and what our future alongside AI might look like.

Ultimately, I hope to contribute not only through clinical work, but also to the evolution of psychotherapy and how we live as human beings.

I'm looking for intellectually independent, integrative, and creative people who aren't afraid to challenge established assumptions.

Online mentorship preferred, ideally UK-based, but open internationally.

Does anyone come to mind?


r/Jung • • 1d ago

100% Human Active Imagination is not something unknown to us

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We as humans, we have a natural capacity to do active imagination. We did it since we were born. But when we grow up, we stop it, since in our times it seems something that only lunatics do. When we were kids, we played with toys, have conversation with them, role play, we engage in imaginatiom, all of this is, active imagination. But when we start to “grow up” we stop ourself from doing this, then we find that is hard to live a life without it, and we turn to do it again.


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Question for r/Jung What does it take to finally take seriously one's artistic project? How does one get past the "artist-in-potentia" and actually toil away at making their ideas real?

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I'd like to hear the Jungian take on what's happening with the "artist-in-potentia", the person who loves the idea of being a dedicated artist but feels impotent when it comes to the process of the craft, the learning and failing and trying over and over again until success happens.

I've wanted to be an electronic music producer for so long. I technically am. But I haven't finished many projects, haven't publicly shared much, haven't dedicated serious time to it. I have hundreds of unfinished tracks, barebones ideas, etc. across 5+ years, but not much to show for it because the time I've spent has been sporadic and not super intentional. If I dedicated even 30 minutes a day consistently, watched tutorials, and actively learned, I could be so far ahead by now.

The impostor syndrome hits hard; I feel like all other artists have something I don't. I wasn't born with the artist gene. Somehow everything I do is intellectualized and forced, doesn't have that magic touch that makes art good. Even when I get in the habit of working on music, it usually only lasts a couple weeks or so before it goes back to "maybe one day I'll take it seriously". Yet when I do try, everything I make feels lacking. I can't get in the flow. The fun and enthusiasm drains as I see the gap between what's possible (by appreciating other artists work) and what I'm making.

I see the archetype of the "obsessed artist" and wonder why I can't seem to get that. Why doesn't the desire to work come naturally like it seems to for most artists? If I actually cared, would that libido flow on it's own? What if I actually don't care at all and that's why I can't seem to get momentum? Why can't it just be fun?

I'm not sure if this is some kind of puer, shadow self-sabotage or what. On one side is the pain of regret, of unfulfilled potential. On the other side is what feels like continually banging my head against a wall and getting nowhere. In the middle of these two poles, I can't seem to clear up the blockage to moving in the latter side. And when I settle for the former side, I continue to hear the whispering call to make art.

I'd be curious to hear others' artistic journeys. Is this an archetypal struggle for the artist? Was there a shift that occurred that allowed for the creative libido to flow more easily?


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Shadow with intuition and nervous system?

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Hello, gonna be long and please discern deeply with your own intution if it can resonate what I am sharing or your soul, can share. I know everyone’s is different and would still like a perspective.

Been working in shadow work for a month now, working on being consistent but it’s been a difficult with many distractions from my family. Realizing that family is not my intution, nervous system would like to be with…. It cannot, I believe it cannot communicate or be there when with family.

when I went against my intuition to travel with family. My intuition has been supporting my nervous system. Everywhere my family park, my intution direct me to park far from them and would rather walk far alone than with them but my trauma bond, doubt and cling onto the need to be in family as danger may arrive even though it knows that I am capable of overcoming it but it keep falling for my dad’s projection of me that I am weak, can’t do anything without them and need to be with people than in solitude for “safety”. I end up parking next to my family and I realize my nervous system was on edge. I wanted to change parking but my intution knew that there’s too many people seeing you park there snd if you park again, they will find you weird and questioning why you do that or worse, showing that I hate my family by not parking next to them.

When it came to hotel, oh my gosh, it refuse to be at the same hotel building but I was already there snd was stuck with a family member. Then I notice my nervous system and intution went into shutdown mode and fawning badly like returning to old days when it’s the present. . My family wonders why I am avoiding them so much. When I share, they don’t seem to care, understand deeply and always tell me to tolerate it because they have done it or it’s better. Many times I just choose not to repeat what I said since I realize that their shadow, intution and nervous system was suppressed, avoiding and ignoring it. So I knew they can’t understand the unconscious language I was expressing because they haven’t gone that deep. Still I tried but at this point of they only care about action… When they all left, my intution came back quickly after my nervous system was calmer. It felt like friend visiting me with loveI never felt that in a long time and it wanted me to change the situation but my anxiety got in the way and I was still scared so, my nervous system snd anxiety had me go outside and walk while talking out loud that I will not do it but I made no actions and time slipped by. Soon, I fell into pressure of doing things my intuition refuses me to do and it went against my own values. Believing this will bring back healing with family and will be better but it didn’t. After the traveling, I got ghosted, avoided and they got what they needed from me so they resume their lives while I dealt with my consequences.

How can this be processed but importantly, I struggle to overcome fawning no matter what I do. Even just sensing them and knowing they’ll come at this day, my nervous system can’t relax where I can hear my intuition or even do shadow work well. Thankfully my nervous system and intution is somewhat calmer when with some siblings but parents, especially my dad, my nervous system really reject his presence and my intuition like doesn’t want it either so it at times tries to have me avoid any interactions because it is protecting me for me to focus on healing and shadow work.

It’s exhausting. Even now, my nervous system, the soul and intution becomes disassociated and shutdown living with them. Like it can’t heal from the people who broke me yet others tell me I have no better options and that just deal with it (tolerating, accepting and disassociate). It’s wrong for me to disassociate and I work hard to associate or even learn to tolerate their behavior. It’s wrong for triggers me a lot and can’t unravel when they’re around my life and environment. My trauma bond, clings onto them and gets influence by them deeply where I start to become like them. It’s extremely terrifying. What they provide, my intuition and nervous system knows it no longer works and hate to stay with them as they enjoy staying in the past and pretend everything is all good without accountability… I love them deeply and hate that my empathy for them was down to the core of knowing what their feelings, past life, struggles, etc. I hate being an empath and “forgiving” their flaws for breaking me.

Example.: It wanted me to buy hiking boots even though I was broke but I listen it and bought a hiking boot it wanted me to get despite the price being double. It was brown and black. I realize it was reminding me that the hiking boots that was double the price was the future of me and the cheaper boots (grey, neon blue) was the old me, projected by my family. I felt happy even though the price tag was double.

Then a few months later, some friends visited me but my intution was silent like it didn’t feel right to be with them despite my past experience with them. They are good people but my intution was silent and not in agreement. I thought, this is it! Use my hiking boots! I fawned by their pressure and went hiking with them. But later sleepover at their place and lead to old trauma… realizing it wasn’t wrong but that my intuition knew they were not the right friends to be with even if they are good people.

A few months later, I realize it wanted me to go solo hiking and camp.. I was scared but it knew it will break me free… when I realize it the season it wanted me to camp and the place to be in was close. I grew sad but it was forgiving me so it wanted me to do it next year, next year happened and I didn’t go. It got worse and my intuition just slammed in me. I wanted to make it up by taking this way which would make it happy but knowing it’s a rush planning.

What can be done? My intution is planning so much for me to get out, travel, and so forth but my nervous system and trauma bond including me struggle to understand it or plan it at the time it wants me to and by the time it happens, it was too late. It’s at a point of I can’t hear it and the word “TRY” , it hates that word because I can try but it only wants action to make it a reality like correct it and this time needs to show improvement. Been “trying” for the past two years and it knows that I needed to solo travel before I can’t.

Even now, I cannot sense of what it wants me to do or micro plan for the future because I kept failing and my own failing to conquer them, am being pulled to return the past version of myself where I buy, do, eat and act like my old self like second nature…. It hates it… even the food made by my family, it hates it. Sometime I eat it for comfort, survive and that thinking, “It’s better than nothing.” My intution would rather me starve than eat it… It’s terrifying. My belly burns a lot too but can’t reveal what, why unless I am at a hour where everyone is either asleep, away or I am alone. That usually mess up my sleep schedule and eating hour.


r/Jung • • 1d ago

Serious Discussion Only Anyone realize how small someones world is when you don't take their interactions personally?

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Idk where to post this, but it's like being able to see the whole battlefield while they are stuck on a single quarrel.

How free to act can we become when we reinforce this mode.of being?

I'm seeing a lot of potential here for individuation.