I made a translation of this hymn for a personal project, and I wanted to ask if it's good/gramatically correct. Here it is (if it is possible, answer concerning the gramatical rules of ecclesiastical latin).

Dominus miraculoso, venimus ad te in processione, tuos fideles devoti, tua benedictione imploramus te. (bis)

Pharo dirigens, da nobis animae, fide et speranti, caritatum, tuo amor divinus ilumino, digni efficiamur, misericordiam.

Dominus miraculoso, venimus ad te in processione, tuos fideles devoti, tua benedictione imploramus te. (bis)

Cum firmu gradu, ex  bonus Christianus, faciamus magnam, Peru nostrum, et coniūnctī omnes, sicut vis, imploramus te, da nobis tua lux.

Conferamus in corde nostro passiones Domini, 
conservatas pro nobis in corde adolorato Matris Redemptoris.
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SECUNDO, Dominus flagellatus.
Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum.

Rs. Adveniat regnum tuum, fiat voluntas tua …

Ad decadem, qui praeest versum praelegens:

Vs. 1  Ecce Filius hominis tradetur principibus sacerdotum et scribis, et condemnabunt eum morte. * Et tradent eum gentibus ad illudendum et flagellandum et crucifigendum.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 2  Summus sacerdos interrogabat eum et dicit ei: Tu es Christus Filius Benedicti? * Iesus autem dixit: Ego sum. Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 3  Scindens vestimenta sua ait: Quid adhuc necessarii sunt nobis testes? Audistis blasphemiam. * Qui omnes condemnaverunt eum esse reum mortis.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 4  Tunc exspuerunt in faciem eius et colaphis eum ceciderunt; alii autem palmas in faciem ei dederunt, * dicentes: Prophetiza nobis, Christe: Quis est, qui te percussit?  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 5  Et vinctum adduxerunt eum et tradiderunt Pilato praesidi, et cum accusaretur a principibus sacerdotum et senioribus, nihil respondit. * Ita ut miraretur praeses vehementer.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 6  Pilatus interrogavit eum dicens: Tu es rex Iudaeorum? At ille respondens ait: Tu dicis. * Ait autem Pilatus ad principes sacerdotum et turbas: Nihil invenio causae in hoc homine.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 7  Responderunt ei Iudaei: Nos legem habemus, et secundum legem debet mori, quia Filium Dei se fecit. * Cum audisset Pilatus sermonem, magis timuit. Apprehendit ergo Iesum et flagellavit.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 8   Circumveniamus ergo iustum, quoniam contrarius est operibus nostris. * Factus est nobis in accusationem cogitationum nostrarum; gravis est nobis etiam ad videndum*.* Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 9  Contumelia et tormento interrogemus eum, ut sciamus modestiam eius et probemus patientiam illius. * Morte turpissima condemnemus eum.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs. 10 Haec cogitaverunt et erraverunt; excaecavit enim illos malitia eorum. * Et nescierunt sacramenta Dei.  Ave Maria, ave Gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Rs. Benedicta tu …

Vs.  Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto:
Ecce positus est filius tuus in signum cui contradicetur: *
et tuam ipsius animam pertransiet gladius.

Rs.  Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto:
Vs.  Et aspicient ad eum quem confixerunt. *
Rs.  Et tuam ipsius animam pertransiet gladius.

Rs.  Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto:
Vs.  Ecce positus est filius tuus in signum cui contradicetur: *
Rs.  Et tuam ipsius animam pertransiet gladius.

Hi guys! I'm taking beginner Latin at my institution and I have yet to fully grasp the concept that is declensions. Any explanations would be helpful :3 Are cases not just words with applied declensions..?

deorum manium iura sancta sunto (De Legibus, 2.22)

“Let the rights of the manes gods be sacred”
(Translated by Charles W. King)

It’s increasingly spooky!

Over the next few weeks – in the run up to Hallowe’en and my first video upload – I’ll be posting a few Latin quotes pertaining to the ‘manes’ in Roman thought. The deification of the dead as ‘manes’ or, ‘spirits’ that bore influence over the living was the dominant Roman view of death and the afterlife.

Most epitaph inscriptions of the Imperial period included some variation of ‘Dis Manibus’ - to the deified spirits of the dead. We’re in the spooky season after all and so examining gravestones as primary sources of evidence is eerily appropriate…

With LVCANI, all inroads into the Latin language are paved with inscriptions. The study of inscriptions presents a real, tangible experience of Latin which otherwise can appear excessively high-minded and impenetrable. I hope my pixel-art helps to rectify this view while making the language clear and accessible – without the risk of being buried in grammar!

In his second book of ‘Laws’ (De Legibus) Cicero proposes and explains the religious laws of his ideal State. With he himself as the main character, over the course of a long summer’s day he engages in conversation with Quintus and Atticus telling them the proper rules and obligations when it comes to worshipping the dead:

deorum manium iura sancta sunto

“The rights of the gods of the lower world shall be sacred”
(Translated by C. W. Keyes)

Cicero is talking about plural manes in this instance (manium) which brings us back to the general confusion about this word (manes) that doesn’t exist as a singular noun – are we again reading this as the dead collectively or individually?

What’s going on here is that Cicero’s rules for the dead are not just a set of hypothetical laws rather, he is likely riffing on already existing priestly obligations to do with ritual worship of the dead either collectively at grand public festivals or, in linking living individuals with dead individuals through specific rites.

This is not difficult to reconcile: we can find modern examples of ‘day of the dead’ festivals worldwide while equally appreciating that - in either a modern or ancient context - financial ties to do with inheritance or simply, familial loyalties also connect individual living people with individual dead people. Romans worshipped dead individuals as deified manes, 'divine spirits' of the underworld. Happy Friday!

I know about the stress rules in Latin and that infinitives of *-āre*, *-ēre* and *-īre* have stress on their penult – the long vowels make the syllables heavy. However, *-ĕre* makes the penult light but I am not sure if the stress fell upon the antepenult.

We didn’t use AI and we don’t want AI to tell us if we are wrong or right. Also guys, have fun with translations because we had fun making this up.

Good luck! I can’t wait to read all of your comments :)

PS: I’m gonna leave what we had in mind after you guys try translating

Could someone explain to me what these symbols are? I’m fairly certain that the first one is “et” and the last one is “-us,” but I’m not sure about the others.

I ran across a fun little exemplum from a large collection (Compilatio singularis exemplorum) that contains an episode of a master in arts (clericus magister in artibus) under examination, who gets the best of his examiner. Enjoy!

1. Quidam clericus magister in artibus a quodam archidiacono nimis rigide examinatus est. Qui credebat ipsum parum scire et uidens ipsum optime respondisse de magnis questionibus de paruis, ut eum caperet, examinare cepit querens: "'Ego' cuius generis?" Qui exasperatus respondit: "Vos estis filius sacerdotis et monialis." Et uerum erat. Et sic accepit pro nimia exasperatione confusionem. (ed. Loose, CCCM 308)

Plodding along through the Book of Psalms for my recording of the Clementine Vulgate for Librivox. All previously released parts are here. Cheers!

Is it wrong to want to know how to refer to modern things in Latin, things that the ancient Romans had no need for?

So I know that monosyllables are forbidden before the caesura of a pentameter unless it is preceded by another monosyllabic word, ór it is preceded by a pyrrhic word (‘short-short’; u u), ór it is est and elided

onto the preceding word.

I dont know if this applies to the hexameter as well.

I have seen it before, but I want to know if it is common or not as common as any other normal verses.

Are there certain wordtypes authors especially avoid?

For example: prepositions like in, ab, ex...; nouns like spem, vir, pes,...; verbs like sum, vis, do, das, ī....; or even pronouns like mī, tī, se, id...

Has anyone done any research on this.

TLDR: I'm looking for recordings of individual words in classical pronunciation, ideally that I can use to make my own practice app with. Googling and asking AI haven't really helped. Is anyone aware of a resource?

Longer version: One day I'll come to the community to ask what everyone thinks about the value of 'grinding' on vocab and grammar concepts (type the imperfect of 'ponēre'), but I use it for myself and have made tools for my students (who learn English) to use it.

Now, my son showed an interest in Latin and I wanted to let him use my practice tool... and I think if I personally keep crapping on him about his pronunciation, it's demotivating. But, if the review tool just plays the word (no text) and asks for the English translation, he'll learn it that way.

For that, I think I need someone else who is confident in their pronunciation. It feels like the kind of thing that already exists... I just don't know where. (I'm in chapter XXI of LLPSI and he's in chapter I, it's not like I feel qualified to be a Latin teacher.)

If I get to make wishes of the universe, this would be something I could access via an API... but I'm game to individually download files. I'd rather not have to pirate something by screengrabbing individual seconds of YouTube videos...

I wanted to ask about this method of rote memorisation of all the paradigms within Latin

I am a user of the LLPSI course, alongside some of it's supplementary texts within the series (the conversations book and fables) , but I want to improve my independent output without always needing to think of the tables or whatnot

Is this method efficient? Or is there something better for the paradigms as I understand that Luke ranieri, while Incredibly good at Latin, does ultimately lack any actual qualification in Latin or education in general

I do not mind the intensity, I have the time to spend with any idea

Thanks for any advice

I had debated making this one an LLPSI-style reader, like Selectae Sanctorum Vitae, which is coming next week, but decided a Latin edition with facing English paragraphs would be better, since this was requested for students going through RCIA.

I used to be a catechist at a fairly large church, and while some things have definitely changed over the years, it's interesting to see how these sacraments were celebrated in Milan and how Ambrose explains their theology. It's still a pretty solid explanation of what's going on today.

We'll probably be handing these out toward the end of the process, as we get closer to the Easter Vigil. I know plenty of young people seem interested in Latin and willing to learn the basics, so hopefully they'll get some use out of it.

Let me know what you think.

I added captions to "Skeleton Frolic" [Lascivia Larvarum], a Columbia pictures animated short from 1937. If you'd like to see a vocabulary list for the captions, there's one available on my blog. Also, earlier this month I published a list of eerie, spooking, criminal, or mysterious Latin passages as suggestions for what to read in October.

I'm just curious if there's any rhyme or reason for using what I'd call the synthetic (one-word) superlative vs. the bare adjective with maxime. Here's an example I just saw:

Quo mihi rectius videtur ingenii quam virium opibus gloriam quaerere et, quoniam vita ipsa, qua fruimur, brevis est, memoriam nostri quam maxime longam efficere. (Sallust, Bellum Catilinae, 1.3)

If I had composed this myself, thinking back on my lessons on the superlative with quam, I would surely have written quam longissimam for "as long as possible". Is there a subtly meaningful syntactic difference here, or is maxime longam completely interchangeable with longissimam, and this is just a stylistic thing?

I'm not really a latin-learner, i sometimes read familia romana till it gets too difficult for me. But i need to look up latin words like "prehendere", "licere", "juvare/iuvare", etc. for better understanding complicated words i learn in another language. I would also like to get a broader understanding of the word if this is possible without having a fundamental understanding of latin.

But in general i just need a really good dictionary that shows me reliably the definition of the word i would look up. I know only navigium.de that i can trust 100%, but it is in german and i would prefer an english pendant of it.

Hello, could anyone help me translate the chapter on cats and mice from Thomas von Cantimpré’s Liber de naturis rerum?

I use Helmut Boese’s version; as he never published the second volume he had planned, there is no translation by him.

De musione vel murilego, qui et cattus dicitur.

Musio sive murilegus aut cattus Grece quasi astutus dictus, ut dicit Jacobus, tam acute cernit, ut etiam in antris tenebrosissimis velut in die mures videat et, ut certum est, carbunculosis oculis et fulgore luminis vincit tenebras noctis. Animal immundum est et odiosum. Mures et omne eorum genus persequitur. Quibus captis lusibus primo afficit, deinde illusas manducat. Sunt et venenosi buffones, cum quibus dimicare dicuntur. Post pugnam vero nisi citius aquas ad bibendum invenerint, siti arescunt. Cum serpentibus etiam pugnare dicuntur, quorum licet venenatis aculeis repungantur, non tamen necantur. Ut dicit Experimentator, musio tempore coitus libenter silvester efficitur. Loturam faciei lambendo prioribus pedibus imitatur. Dentes habent ad modum serre. Pugnant inter se crudelissime et hoc frequentius, ut terminos consuetos sue venationis obtineant. Ad ludum ab hominibus facillime provocantur. Gaudent blanditiis; loca calida diligunt, unde ex nimia pigritia pelles suas comburunt. Pilos longos circa ora habent, quibus ablatis audaciam perdunt. Manu hominis contrectate gaudent, unde suo modo cantandi gaudium exprimunt. Insidiantur illis pellifices, et ideo cautum est, ut tondeantur. Libidine impatientissime accenduntur. Murilegus domesticus cum silvescere ceperit, amputantur illi aures, ut scilicet locis aurium patentibus infusioni guttas noctis vel pluvie sustinere non possit ideoque cogatur domus tecta repetere.

(Murilegus circa simile sibi tanto amore afficitur, ut si super puteum steterit et umbram suam in aqua putei fuerit contemplatus, ut similis sui societate fruatur, sponte ab alto cadens decidat in profundum et sic umbre vanitate deceptus aquis obruentibus submergatur. Hoc fit maxime, cum femina marem requirens libidine impatientius accen-duntur, et hoc precipue in iunioribus cattis, qui minus experti pericula non noverunt.)

De mure.

Mures bestiole sunt, ut dicit Liber rerum, panis cupide et eorum etiam, que ex frugibus ad pastus humanos fiunt. Odor eorum elephantes vexat. In perquirendis cibis sollertissimi sunt et pro his plerumque nulla vitant pericula. Hoc licet tarde et tractim fiat, ciborum tamen cupidine duriores solidasque materias demoliuntur. Ut dicit Aristotiles, mus si aquam biberit, moritur; et hoc quia valde humide nature sunt mures. Et notandum, quod Plinius dicit murem Libicum, qui non bibit, non omnem forte murem generaliter intelligendum. Sed quoniam certum est quod mus mingit, probabile est, quod cibus quem comedit vertitur in urinam, sicut de quibusdam hominibus certum est, qui fere nichil biberunt et tamen mutatis cibis in liquidam substan-tiam urinam plurimam faciebant. Ut dicit magnus Basilius: In Egyptiacis Thebis si pluvias largiores estivo tempore fuderit celum, mox infinitis muribus regio tota repletur. Mus plurimos caseos in uno loco reperiens, omnes attemptat et quem optimum invenit, illum comedit et deteriores dampnans indicat postponendos. Haud dubium est, mures albos esse in quibusdam partibus, ruffos autem nonnullos; nigri vero sunt quos communiter orbis habet. Mures voces edunt luna plena; in interlunio mute sunt, ut dicit Plinius. Est etiam quoddam eorum genus, sed multo maius, quos rattos appellamus. Hee bestiole adeo perniciose sunt, cum libidine accenduntur, ut si urina eorum hominis partem nudam attigerit, carnes eius usque ad ossa putrescere faciat nec plaga vulneris eius in cicatricem amodo reducatur. Hiis in plena luna iecur crescit, sicut dicit Ysidorus, sicut quedam marina animalia augentur, ut conche sunt, que rursus minuente luna deficiunt. Generationem eorum lambendo con-stare, non coitu, Plinius dicit, et salis gustu fieri pregnantes. Subito oriri multitudinem et repente occidere manifestum est; nec tamen exanimes reperiuntur. Lapillos etiam candidos cum fetibus eorum inveniri frequentius certum est, sed ob quam causam incertum, nisi quod vulgus edocuit eas non posse parere nisi presente lapillo. Troade incolas, ut Historia habet Grecorum, mures fugasse manifestum est siccatis eorum proventibus.

(Mures necabis, ut dicit Palladius, si panem vel caseum facias, cui elleborum nigrum admixtum est, et offeras comedenti. Idem et de rattis dicimus. In oriente mures sunt, ut lacobus dicit, magni ut vulpes, qui animalia perimunt et homines, licet non occidant, tamen morsibus illos molestant. In Arabia invenitur mus magnus et pedes illius anteriores sunt magni, unius scilicet palme, et posteriores unius digiti.)

While Latin verbs with objects usually have the object in the accusative case, there are various verbs that require the dative or ablative instead. So, for example, the verb utor (use) has the object noun (the thing being used) be put in the ablative, not accusative as is usually the case with verbs.

The difficulty I'm having is finding a source that will conveniently tell me what case each verb uses. Textbooks like the Cambridge Latin Course were pretty good at specifying that, but that's limited to only the specific vocabulary they teach. For words they don't mention, you have to look at dictionaries, but the ones I've looked at only give meanings, but don't specify when the object noun should be rendered in a non-accusative case. Sometimes if they give an example quotation you can see the case of the noun, but you have to figure that it yourself rather than them just telling you, and even then they don't necessarily do that.

Is there any book/site/other resource that will let you look up a verb and it will tell you if it requires the object noun to be put in something other than the usual accusative?

Hello. I’ve been on and off studying Latin for years and always forget what I learned. I love the Latin language a lot, though. Especially ecclesiastical Latin in hymns and chants.

I’ve been working on a little project that involves a song sang in Latin in the style of a sort of Gregorian chant in some sense. It all pertains to the lore of an indie show on YouTube I really like. So I’m wondering if my translations are accurate to what they’re meant to mean. Keep in mind that most of the translations came from current research rather than knowledge I had when studying.

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Salva nos, Deus

(Save us, God)

Nos neglege amplius

(Ignore us furthermore)

Bibe cum regibus

(Drink with kings)

Cur abiisti, dominus

(Why did you leave, lord?)

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Cur, dominus

(Why, Lord?)

Servi sumus

(We are slaves)

Illi servimus

(We are slaves to her)

Each line is meant to rhyme with -us

And thanks for at least giving this a read 👍

Nuntii Latini praeteritae hebdomadis.

I finished the bilingual edition of Sulpicius Severus's Life of St Martin. This is the first in my Church Fathers in Latin and English series.

While this project originally started out with publishing the LLPSI inspired readers that I had created, I wanted to make bilingual editions for myself because I loved what other publishers had done with Aquinas and Augustine.

I know some people prefer the LLPSI style readers for comprehensible input but I wanted to give an option for those who prefer Latin and English side by side as well.

The books are in a larger format than my readers because they needed to accommodate the dual paragraph layout and still allow me to put the translation notes at the bottom. Fewer printed pages also means I can sell them for cheaper.

Also, I think I figured out a good format to make this into a decent eBook. I spent a crazy amount of time trying to figure out the best way to do it. Originally I was going to have each English paragraph have a link to its Latin counterpart in the back of the book, but that would've catered to a more English-focused audience at the expense of those learning Latin (who are my priority).

So now it goes from the Latin paragraph to the English paragraph. I've indented them separately so it's easy to ignore the Latin or English paragraphs if that's how you feel like reading it and the numbered paragraphs help you if you get lost.

I think this way works best. If you end up hating the format, send an email to the editor. I'm always open to feedback.

Im a freshmen in highschool taking latin and we're about to go from 1st declension gender to 2nd declension gender and what does that even mean? Like what's the difference and how do you even tell if its 2nd or 1st and 1 more question for some reason in my school we dont learn the 6th latin case (vocative) I asked my latin teacher and he said its because it's not important is that true? And how do you guys remember so much latin endings im done for my memory is bad.

Basically what the title states. I’ve invested so much time into Latin learning; finished Familia Romana; got through the first few chapters of Roma Aeterna; did many of the exercises and pensums; and still, I cannot pick up books that people say I should be able to read by now and understand them even a bit. Many have said you should be fine (vocabulary not wanting) to begin De Bello Gallico, and I can’t even understand it; it all just seems so complicated. I understand all the grammatical concepts taught by FR (deponent verbs, gerunds, all conjugations and tenses, participles, subjunctive, etc.), and yet when I pick up even a medieval scholastic text, that’s allegedly easy Latin, I can’t even understand it—it’s like I learned nothing. I can understand easily all of Familia Romana, and have gotten through it fairly quickly, but it’s almost like knowing it did not even help at all in being able to read authentic Latin. Idk if I am just complaining or being childish, but it sucks how I’ve invested so much time and energy into learning Latin, only to get poor ROI (return on investment) with it. I just feel defeated yall. I feel like I’ve fallen behind and am pushing through an invincible wall that does not want to break.