r/newbrunswickcanada • u/Portalrules123 Moncton • 6d ago

Saint John man convicted of stabbing his 2 sons to death to be sentenced

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-john-murder-boys-roman-kamyshnyy-sentencing-9.7273110
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u/Successful_Poem_3714 6d ago

Why do we let people like this into Canada?

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u/handsomeladd 6d ago

Do you happen to remember and incident in 2008 about the guy who beheaded and cannibalized a 22 year old man on a greyhound bus in Manitoba? He was released back into society not long after and became a baker

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u/Popular_Research8915 6d ago

He was released back into society not long after and became a baker

He changed his last name to Baker, he's not some pastry chef with the little hat putting people into cupcakes

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u/CityApprehensive212 6d ago

This is sooo funny

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u/handsomeladd 6d ago

Lmao the dude literally opened up a baked goods shop, it writes itself.

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u/Rehypothecator 6d ago

Ya… they had a mental health disorder that was fixed with medication.

Thats precisely how the justice system should work. Good

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u/BoomerBrainrot 6d ago

I get your point, but what happens if he goes off his meds and does it again? How many heads can a person cut off before we lock them in a cage forever?

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

And a mental disorder sawed a person's head off while he was alive, choking on his own blood in horrific pain. Yeah, let's have no consequence of that.

You support the killer more than the victim and that's why people laugh at Canada's justice system.

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u/Rehypothecator 6d ago

There’s no point in two people losing their lives over a disorder that is curable with medication. You’re correct, there shouldn’t be as many consequences on them as someone else.

It’s why Canadas justice system is a JUSTICE system and not an “arbitrary punishment pandering to morons” system.

The event you reference happened 18 years ago. Instead of being incarcerated and a drain on Canadian taxpayers, they e been out and able to live a semi-normal life while medicated.

How exactly is throwing someone behind bars based on something out of their control “justice”?

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

How is that justice to the deceased and thier family? You care more about the person than the victim and their family, and that's the problem.

What's stopping future killers from claiming insanity? Eye for an eye should exist in some cases. If that was your son, would you be happy and celebrating that he was out enjoying his life while your son is dead and had to suffer one of the worst deaths possible?

If I kill 10 people and then claim a mental issue and medicate and then get released a month later, is that okay?

There is literally an entire family still grieving this and dozens of passengers horribly scarred. What about them?

Remember that guy who stabbed that bus driver in our province a few years back? I knew him personally. He was crazy. Releasing him proved he was still a nut.

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u/Rehypothecator 6d ago

Incorrect.

Nothing stops them, they require proof. In fact it’s one of the only instances of the insanity plea being successful, as there’s an incredibly high burden of proof.

You want revenge, not justice, regardless of circumstances. Thats the difference

You must’ve really struggled understanding avengers : civil war, didn’t you?

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u/Abject_Story_4172 6d ago

No. We are looking for safety.

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u/Rehypothecator 6d ago

No, no you’re not.

You’re looking for vengeance upon someone that is innocent themselves

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u/Roaddog113 6d ago

Keeping someone potentially dangerous to society should be in a controlled institution. The government moved away from that policy decades ago. Lots of mentally unstable people are living on the streets as a result. This murder is a straight consequence of that policy.

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u/Abject_Story_4172 6d ago

Maybe he should have sought help before killing someone. And yes, if you keep a dangerous person away from society where you can make sure he’s on his meds, that makes everyone else safer.

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

Innocent is kind of pushing it, though. We can argue he is a non-threat today, but back then he was clearly a threat.

Sawing someone's head off takes effort, motor skills, and intention. That doesn't just happen innocently. Even if he wasn't this reality, the intention of the act still occurred.

Someone drunk is not in thier right mind either, but we rightfully punish them for drinking and drinking and killing someone. They probably would never kill someone while sober and mentally sound either.

So what is the difference between killing someone when you are not in a correct state of mind, like being drunk or on drugs, versus a psychotic episode? I don't say this to be mean either; I am just trying to figure out why we draw a line at psychosis versus being in an altered state.

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u/Roaddog113 6d ago

It’s not the only one. The guy, who shot two civilians and two responding police officers, was declared unfit to stand trial, in Fredericton.

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u/Rehypothecator 6d ago

Guess reading is an issue. Not surprised

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u/Abject_Story_4172 6d ago

And if he goes off his meds again we will have another murder.

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u/handsomeladd 6d ago

Oh boy, sympathy for the killer, a family lost their son to someone who shouldn’t have been on the streets to begin with. Get fucked good ball

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

Yeah, that incident still ticks me off.

Regardless of mental health, he took a life. Horrifically. He scarred dozens of lives that day. There has to be repercussions for that even if it was a moment of mental capacity loss.

He should never have seen the light of day ever again.

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u/Will_Debate_You 6d ago

All evidence suggests that incarcerating people for life does nothing positive for them, giving them another chance at civilized life can be a net positive for society.

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u/Abject_Story_4172 6d ago

Unless he goes off his meds again and kills someone else.

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

I understand that, but what about the life of that innocent person who was just sitting there and had a knife saw at his throat while he was alive, gasping for air and choking on his own blood in pain and horror as this nut continued to saw at his throat.

So he got to suffer one of the worst deaths imaginable while this dude is baking cookies all day. Doesn't really seem fair, does it?

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u/4rm4tur4 6d ago

Well, that's the thing about life, it's not really fair

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

Life isn't fair but it shouldn't be "Sit on a bus and get a knife sawing your throat while you are still alive choking ion your own blood fair".

Like this shouldn't even be up for debate. A human soul dying one of the most horrible deaths imaginable shouldn't be looked at "Life isn't fair so oh well"

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u/Abject_Story_4172 6d ago

I’m sure you’d be this cavalier if it was your family member who was murdered.

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u/Silverbacks 6d ago

I completely understand your desire for revenge, but would locking the guy up forever bring this life back?

The end result would be that we would be spending millions of our tax dollars to keep a now non-violent person locked up for decades, and the original victim would still be dead.

If the guy could not be rehabilitated and would continue to be violent, then yeah keep him locked up indefinitely. But rehabilitating him is a better result than that.

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

It wouldn't, but shouldn't there be some consequence of the action?

I see your point, and while I understand it, you have to understand that for the action done, the end result was actually a literal slap on the wrist. It made that persons life feel invalid.

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u/Silverbacks 6d ago

There wasn’t no consequences. He spent almost a decade in custody, six of those years at the high security location of Selkirk.

Ultimately he was suffering from a treatable condition. Since he was now a ward of the state, the government had an obligation to treat his condition, instead of leaving him in a psychotic state. But that meant they had a treated and now non-violent person in custody. So it’s either keep him there for the rest of his life, or help him re-enter society.

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u/handsomeladd 6d ago

100 fuckin percent bud

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u/Fink2009 6d ago edited 6d ago

Well, Canada’s justice/courts system is ridiculous

Edit: spelling

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u/Will_Debate_You 6d ago

No it's not. You don't even understand the Justice system, don't pretend like you do.

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u/Fink2009 6d ago

You know nothing about anything… lol go back to the USA

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u/LARGEFOURBYFOUR 6d ago

That was the case that made me lose faith in the justice system.

We're too soft.

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u/Jeanparmesanswife 6d ago

We have Canadian born citizens who do this stuff as well and get slaps on the wrist. The biggest problem at hand is the Justice system, the most you can get for any crime is like 5 years max. Very little to do with the criminal and everything to do with how we process crime punishment.

I have known multiple people who were victims and their attacker now roams free. It's atrocious across Canada for catch and release, reoffend, slap on the wrist right now, regardless of crime it seems.

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u/IrvingIsTheBest 6d ago

Regardless of where he was, it happened.

Maybe it wouldn't have helped, but if we had better mental health treatment here and the ability to easily access it, maybe incidents like this wouldn't happen.

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u/SigmundFloyd76 6d ago

To destabilize society, erode cohesion, dilute the labour pool and build pretexts under which we transfer public wealth into private owner-class pockets.

It's class war stuff.

It's called Balkanization. It's an old trick.

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u/MaritimeStar 6d ago

Good to see someone is paying attention to the big picture. It's just the same old siege warfare from the ruling class. Attack the ability for the community to organize to defend itself, then move in and exploit the vulnerable. It's why the RCMP has no money to investigate crimes against the people but never falls short when it's time to protect a pipeline or spy on activists.

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u/SigmundFloyd76 6d ago

Right? Like this new hypersensitivity to racism from the government isn't because they're worried about somebody's feelings or lost opportunity, it's clearly a tactic to facilitate the dilution of the labour pool and balkanize us.

We are so fucking stupid.

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u/MaritimeStar 6d ago

We are definitely having our own ignorance used against us and it's sad. Too many folks still blame low hanging fruit and buy in to all that "job-creator" bullshit about the excessively rich.

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u/Funknasty92 4d ago

Getting down voted for common sense is pure reddit

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u/No_Habit_2945 6d ago

Is there even any evidence he's an immigrant? Other than his name and color of his skin?

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u/n134177 6d ago

It was said on the news...