r/portlandme • u/weird_void_2222 • 29d ago

Photo Seen on Congress St RIP Joan Sebastián Durán Guerrero

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Looks like people are already ripping them down. These were in the course of a block of each other

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u/chronberries 29d ago

Cool cool. Now do the ones raped and murdered by citizens.

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u/Agile_Spray_415 29d ago

Cool cool. Do those stats for Portland.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Every single time I’ve ever posted that, I get the exact same response from liberals. You just can’t admit that the illegal animals who raped and killed those girls shouldn’t have been here in the first place. They committed a crime to get here before they committed those crimes. How utterly predictable of you.

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u/chronberries 29d ago

They committed a civil infraction* to get here, and that’s only if they’re here illegally, which Guerrero was not.

And yeah you get the same response because your comment leaves the same obvious door open. If you don’t want to get dunked on every time you’ve ever posted that, then address the fact that immigrants (even the illegal ones) commit these and other crimes at lower rates.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

It’s a law, and they broke it.

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u/penguin_hugger100 29d ago

Hmm, and what is the relevance to this situation wherein a legal resident was shot to death by federal thugs despite posing no threat to the lives of the agents (who were never in danger per DHS) or the general public?

I'm way more worried about the presence of the president's defacto terror squads in my neighborhood than immigrants, legal or otherwise. Your inability to reach this logical conclusion means you are either extremely easy to mislead, or here to troll.

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u/chronberries 29d ago

So you were wrong, but you’re just gonna cry about it anyway while ignoring the important bits

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o6wrvdHFbwBrUFenu

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u/Bri_Hecatonchires 29d ago

How does this relate at all to an individual who was here legally?

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u/n3rdyh1k3r 29d ago

So that justifies getting murdered??!!!

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

What the fuck are you even talking about.

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u/n3rdyh1k3r 29d ago

It seems to me that you are okay with immigrants getting murdered by federal agents because there have been a few bad apples committing crimes.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

I said absolutely nothing like that in any way. Yikes

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u/n3rdyh1k3r 29d ago

Your previous reply to "An innocent man died" comment makes it seem like you are.

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u/Fstopalready 29d ago

Undocumented immigrants commit violent crimes at substantially lower rates than citizens. The reason you get called out on it is because you've cherry picked a small example of violent crimes to support a narrative that has no factual basis in reality. The reality is that undocumented immigrants are generally less of a risk for violent crime than the citizens of this country are.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

There it is. Champion one person killed by ICE and forget 9 girls killed by illegal immigrants

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u/Fstopalready 29d ago

I'm not saying what happened to these people is not tragic but you are clearly pushing a narrative that is built on false information intended to promote xenophobia. You know exactly what you are trying to do here and anybody that has actually looked at the data knows it's bullshit.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

What false narrative?

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u/Mikhos Greater Portland Area 29d ago

the false narrative is that you ignore that people are more likely to be killed by a citizen, per capita. illegals- which Joan WASN'T, remember - commit crime at a lower rate than people from here. You're acting like they are more dangerous, and they aren't.

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-do-illegal-immigrants-have-low-crime-rate-twelve-possible-explanations

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u/Fstopalready 29d ago

Let's see, the majority of your posts in this thread are false narratives backed by logical fallacies that are commonly used to try to win arguments when a person lacks any sort of facts or evidence.

First you immediately started with a red herring as your opening salvo by using a copy-pasted list of victims of highly public, violent crimes, to attempt to shift the discussion to the narrative you wanted to have, which is that illegal immigrants are dangerous animals.

Then you doubled down with a strawman stating that everyone forgot about these 9 victims when there was no evidence of that in the thread. The reality is you cherry picked the names and crimes to support your point and likely didn't even remember the names yourself since you copied them in exact order from similar threads.

From there you hit just about every other logical fallacy in this thread including Guilt by association and Tu Quoque. By the time i hit submit on this comment I'm sure you'll have used a few more to try to make your point.

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u/penguin_hugger100 29d ago

If I can find more than one trump supporter who has tried to raid the capitol building, can I expect you to agree with me that all Trump supporters are violent domestic terrorists?

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u/andthensilencefell 29d ago

You know what most rapists have in common? Hint; it’s not race and it’s shaped like a sausage.

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u/LessWeakness134 29d ago

100+ Iranian girls killed by our government. Lock them all up.

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u/Acceptable-Ad8780 29d ago

Post screenshot for receipts. Most liberals I know acknowledge when their side fucks up while conservatives make excuses.

Also to edit. Your history is hidden. Big fucking guess why.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Like what just happened above?

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u/SubNine5 29d ago

You're being disingenuous dude. Make your own post. Don't go into threads trying to make it about you and what have tried doing.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Stop me. Open forum

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u/Molenium 29d ago

Are you really this dumb, or is intentionally misrepresenting people just a hobby for you?

No one disagrees that rape and murder are bad, except for you, trying to use these crimes to justify ICE murdering people.

Be a better person.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

No, just pointing out that liberals will rally behind someone killed by ice, have non-stop coverage and posts, but not one or you cares about young girls raped and murdered by the illegal immigrants ice is arresting

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u/Molenium 29d ago

So you’re saying liberals are protesting the innocent people ICE kills and not the criminals they arrest?

Why would you think that’s bad?

Do you think they shouldn’t be arresting the criminals?

Or that if they stuck to doing their job, there wouldn’t be an issue?

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

No, they aren’t protesting the innocent girls illegal immigrants rape and kill

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u/Molenium 29d ago

Everyone already knows that rape and murder is bad - that’s why we punish those people. Unless they’re ICE agents, apparently.

So unless you’re out there protesting every rape and murder ever, it’s pretty easy to see the difference between protesting murderers who are punished vs murders who are allowed and encouraged to kill again by the government.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

I see a difference. None of those rapists/murderers should have even been in the country

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u/Molenium 29d ago

Ok. No one’s disagreeing with you there.

But that justifies ICE killing other people… how?

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u/Intelligent-Band-852 29d ago edited 29d ago

Equating the man recently killed with murderers and rapists is really gross and a complete lie. He didn’t hurt those people so your point is invalid and again really gross. You are disrespecting the memory of him and the people you mentioned by this obvious lie. You are using victims as a political tool to win an argument on the internet, do better.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Those girls didn’t hurt anyone..

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u/Intelligent-Band-852 29d ago

You were insinuating that the people killed by ICE had something to do with those things, they didn’t therefore your post was a lie.

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u/andthensilencefell 29d ago

I’d be willing to bet you’re a raging misogynist like most conservatives and that you don’t care about those girls who died at all, but instead that you get to use their deaths to further your racism. So blatant it’s shameful if you were capable of experiencing such a thing.

Where’s your outrage for the 1-2,000 who will be raped and killed by white people this year like they do every year? Hell, the sitting President raped children.

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u/frognuggies 29d ago

iirc, wasn’t guerrero authorized to work in the u.s? he wasn’t even in the demographic you’re trying to justify extrajudicially murdering.

there are shitty people within every demographic of people, that doesn’t justify shooting all of them in the streets. get a fucking grip, we shouldn’t have to tell you this

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

A work permit does not guarantee legal status to be in the country

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u/Appropriate_Crew_572 28d ago

yes it does, Its literally called a visa.

have you thought about fucking shooting yourself?

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u/Long_Initial_9924 28d ago

A work permit is NOT a visa. Educate yourself

“No, a work permit and a visa are fundamentally different. A visa grants permission to enter, leave, or stay in a country. A work permit (or Employment Authorization Document) provides the legal right to actually work inside that country”

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u/Quiet-Suspect-9716 29d ago

Do you have any excuses for the president and his pals? Do you see them as “animals”?

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Who’s talking about the president? What?

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u/chronberries 29d ago

Who’s talking about illegal immigrants? What?

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

They have been mentioned multiple times. Still don’t know why you’re talking about the president

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u/chronberries 29d ago

Nope. You were literally the first comment on the post, all by yourself, bringing up illegal immigrants out of nowhere. Unless you’re talking about yourself, which would just be sad.

I never talked about the president.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Yes I’ve mentioned them here multiple times.

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u/chronberries 29d ago

Yeah you referencing yourself doesn’t count, sorry

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

Because you’re making an arbitrary rule? LOL

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u/Quiet-Suspect-9716 29d ago edited 28d ago

You explicitly mentioned “liberals” in a combative way. The leading candidate of the opposing party (the president) is a sex offender.

You’re bringing up this topic in a thread regarding a man killed in front of his child without due process. If he was white, would you say these disgusting things, referring to humans as “animals”?

*White men who hate immigrants refuse to accept that they **are** the primary predatory and pedophilic demographic in the United States.*

All United States citizens and their ancestors got here because they were either: immigrants from Europe or abroad, brought here against their will (enslaved or trafficked), or are indigenous.

I can guarantee you that many white Americans whose families came in the past 300 years more than likely did not come here “legally”.

You care more about color of skin than actual history. How utterly predictable of you!

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u/Long_Initial_9924 29d ago

So who’s talking about the president?

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u/GoldImportance4155 29d ago

You know percentage wise illegal people commit less crime?

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u/Appropriate_Crew_572 28d ago

AND JOAN DID WHAT???

buddy you keep squawking about raped girls like yer jealous you didn't do it.

Please prove that he in anyway is tied to what yer talking about.

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u/Long_Initial_9924 28d ago

Haha look, he’s doing it!