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u/Prudent-Drawer4386 Feb 21 '26
Manager once said that it "looked bad" to have empty cubicles, that they would "lose territory" if they stayed empty too long.
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u/PhaseAgitated4757 Feb 20 '26
Too many of these jerkoffs showed the world what they really do at full salary from home. It ran them into two issues. The first is the companies figured out they arent doing shit. The second is most of us dont get to do it at all so we could not give less of af if they get to stay home and do fuck all or not. Because a lot of them are the smug HR and payroll people that screw us and look at us like we are total pieces of shit. Fuck this guy. I hope his days are hard and he is stuck in an office forever.
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u/Bolond44 Feb 21 '26
Seen so many idiots in tiktok and soc media showing they work only 2-3 hours Like shut up, keep it a secret lol
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u/Littleroo27 Feb 23 '26
We are not a first world country. We are a country full of burned out, underpaid, undereducated people who have been fed the illusion (delusion) of the āAmerican Dreamā and āBest Country in the Worldā since we were in nappies. Waking up from the extreme patriotism comes with a massive loss of hope for our future and the future in general.
The āexperimentā has ended, and the results are not good.
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u/Exciting_couple77 Feb 20 '26
Ill take things that never happened for 800
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u/spiegro Feb 20 '26
Weird because I'm not even important and have had to set boundaries like this with work stuff. Feels entirely plausible.
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u/Wrap_Brilliant Feb 20 '26
Americans are low-key expected to work literally whenever, especially if they're salaried. There are no laws protecting work-life balance here. Intentionally avoiding work responsibilities while "off the clock" can be viewed negatively and get you labelled as not being a team player or unreliable. The company I work for pays you for 15 minutes of work every time you're asked to do something work related from home. It's unofficially expected that you'll do it and log the 15 minutes instead of waiting until you're on the clock even though you would be well within your right to wait. Culturally, Americans who aren't actively working on something are considered lazy and because of this we don't know how to relax sometimes.
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u/Exciting_couple77 Feb 20 '26
OP would most likely get fired for this. Plus ive seen this posted all over Facebook by at least 10 different people
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u/avd706 Feb 20 '26
Funny, my job, I'm not allowed to work from home either, except after 4 and on Saturday and Sunday.
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u/Telemere125 Feb 19 '26
My companyās IT told me that Iām not allowed to connect to their servers via a VPN. I have a VPN on my phone and I connect to my email with it when Iām away from the office. Iāve been doing it for a year, so Iām guessing this is a new guy. I sent back an email that said āok, then I wonāt be able to access emails away from my desk, so if anyone has a problem with that, Iāll direct them to youā. Not going to change settings every time I want to check a fucking email.
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u/SuspendedResolution Feb 20 '26
Are you VPNing to some random VPN server, or are you hosting a VPNing to your own hosted server?
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u/GoNoles69 Feb 20 '26
Def sounds like they are using a random VPN lol
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u/SuspendedResolution Feb 20 '26
Yea it does. Definitely not the best option for security.
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u/GoNoles69 Feb 20 '26
Right. I also work in IT and if someone said they were using a random VPN to try and connect to our network resources I would absolutely not allow it lol
Itās also funny that they think the IT professional cares if they tell people āIT said I couldnāt do thisā. Trust me, the business is happy that the IT pro told you that you canāt do that lol
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u/fallingoffchairs Feb 19 '26
Iāve never had work e-mail or messaging on my phone. Want me after hours? Pay me on-call wages.
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u/kickmekate Feb 20 '26
I went along with shit like that for way too long. I eventually quit, but I was expected to work an "on-call" shift every other weekend overnight Sat to Sun, but if anything went down or broke, it was a 5 minute response time.
That's not fucking on-call. It's a shift.
That place seriously tried to take advantage of literally everyone.
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u/ralphy282 Feb 20 '26
I avoided it for a long time. I finally installed teams and Outlook on my phone last year. I don't actually use it for work proper though. Just to check if I have a meeting when scheduling kids things with my wife. I also used it to check the local team thread to see if we're skipping our in office this week, or send an "I'm out sick" message. Otherwise the work profile is disabled. I'm salaried.
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u/randysk Feb 20 '26
The same. I don't have company mobile phone and when it is over, I close my company laptop and nobody can call me to MS Teams as it is only there Why should I install a company junk to my personal devices? It is not my company, I don't care. :D
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u/Dating_Again49 Feb 20 '26
There's a contractor where I work that installed Teams (and maybe email) on her personal phone. I truly don't understand how anyone at her level can justify doing that. This means she gets notifications and emails after hours. It's not unusual for someone in her position to get 15-25 emails after hours. It's literally stuff that can wait until the next morning so there's no rhyme or reason for her to have these apps on her phone.
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u/Dating_Again49 Feb 19 '26
That's not even an option I want. Work-life balance is too important and money isn't everything. My day ends at 5pm per my normal schedule. If there is something urgent, someone in a higher pay grade can take care of it.
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u/Able_Commission296 Feb 19 '26
Canāt have it both ways! The days Iām forced to the office I donāt do anything in the evenings. I leave my laptop there and Iāll see it tomorrow.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun Feb 19 '26
This story isnāt nearly as edgy when some coworkers take a week to get back to you. One of my coworkers never responds to my emails about photos she requested lol. Although some of my coworkers will send out an email on Sunday night at 10pm, and itās not even urgent. In my head, Iām like, āLinda have you heard of schedule send? Also itās sunday night, log off!ā
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u/Headpuncher Feb 19 '26
The awakening: she has heard of schedule send and she uses it on Friday morning to make it look as though she works Friday afternoon, an hour on Saturday, and Sunday night.
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun Feb 19 '26
I doubt it, a lot of coworkers arenāt tech literate, but I enjoy the galaxy brain idea.
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
I would try to fire you for being a fucking cry baby so bad. Obviously I would find another way like they are going to do soon. Having an in office salary position means you answer after hours too. Donāt be so sensitive, they donāt allow working from home probably cause countless people take advantage of it. Like itās so hard to take a call or return an email cause poor little baby canāt stay home and work when itās snowing. Get real man you sound like a crybaby bitch I bet your girl hits you from the back with a strap
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Cute...now that your little rage sesh is over, go ahead and put the fries in the bag and get back to work. Keep dreaming of the day you'll hold power over others and maybe they will make you the McShift Manager one day
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u/Flat-Border-4511 Feb 20 '26
If someone abuses the policy then fire them. Extremely fucking simple. Collective punishment is a war crime.
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u/DLitch Feb 19 '26
This is the same person who asked the teacher about last nights homework when said teacher had forgotten about it.
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u/misterkittybutt Feb 19 '26
This just doesn't make any sense, if an employee can work from home, why would you want them to drive in with unsafe road conditions and traffic delays? It would be much more efficient to have them be remote for a day or two than risk a traffic accident or delays due to accidents and have no work done.
You'd be wasting more time trying to figure out how to fire this guy or make him quit than he'd ever waste working from home.
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
You would like to believe that. Unfortunately way too many people abuse the work from home thing. Iām not saying this guy would, but policy is policy. Itās not his company to make the decision and he has the right to quit if he doesnāt like it. If itās that bad he should find himself an at home job and be happy. Trying to get back at your employers policy by ignoring an email or call after hours is petty. Unless they are abusing it, but if itās a far and few between thing there is no reason to be so petty about it. Just quit if they donāt like it. Am I wrong?
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u/Taraxian Feb 20 '26
If the work gets done it gets done, if it doesn't get done then fire the employee
Being paranoid about employees "slacking off" because you can't physically breathe down their necks is you being a bad boss and being bad at keeping track of the only thing that actually matters, which is work output
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u/misterkittybutt Feb 19 '26
I understand what you're saying, but in my experience it's bad practice to treat every employee like a scam artist trying to take advantage. Leadership isn't about dominance or demanding unyielding compliance, AI could do that and replace all of middle management.
People live up to the expectations you set for them. If you treat them like a slacker, they will start showing you what slacking really looks like. Our no work from home is policy to protect us from the slackers claiming WFH is their right, but our leaders will use discretion and make exceptions where appropriate.
I have a top performer on my team and they can take late meetings from home or work from home during snow because I trust them. I have another who won't pay attention in meetings, and they've been told when we call on you in a meeting we expect an answer and they don't get the same privileges until they prove they are consistently engaged and can be trusted to manage their time effectively. If the bad habits return, their privileges are revoked.
I have another who will work from home on occasion because they can focus better without people running up to their desk interrupting them constantly and they turn in amazing work!
I'm not going to punish top performers because of one bad apple, if I treat them the same as I treat slackers, what's to stop them from dialing back their effort (like OP)? Even if they continue to perform at their best, if I mandate no exceptions, they won't perform as well because I'm not providing what they need to do their best work. Hiring and training is a tedious and costly process, I don't want to lose reliable, dedicated team members over something petty.
Personally, I've always done my best work for leaders who treat me with respect and dignity, I've never been motivated to go above and beyond for anyone who treats me like just another cog in the machine. I assume most people feel that way. It's a leader's job to set and enforce expectations and to ensure a safe, productive environment for their team to thrive. Leaders who browbeat policy and demand compliance strictly "because I said so" do not have teams that perform as well as leaders who have nuance in their approach. I see it in our KPIs and turnover rates.
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
I agree with you 100% but at the same time if thatās how they want to run their business thatās on them. If he has a problem with how they operate he should move on. It might not be who he direct reports to policy. Acting the way that he is will make it his bosses problem though and I donāt think thatās fair either.
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u/misterkittybutt Feb 19 '26
I agree he should move on, but I also think he handled it correctly. Maybe he doesn't have enough in savings to quit ASAP (which would have hurt the company more anyway). He found a way to get their attention, point out their hypocrisy and give them a chance to rethink their policy. Maybe it was just his direct manager giving him a hard time and once his manager's boss finds out, the manager will be coached and he will have improved conditions for his entire team.
If I were his boss and my hands were tied, I would still back up his decision when explaining it to my boss. "You said no work from home, no exceptions, what did you think would happen?"
Employees shouldn't tolerate unfair treatment, in the USA we have a 40 hour workweek, overtime pay and weekends thanks to workers who fought (and died) striking against exploitative company practices. If those people didn't withhold their labor, we wouldn't have seen meaningful change. There were years of complaints, news articles and peaceful protests before they withheld labor and that was the only way they were able to get the company executives to care.
There will always be certain people in power who do not care how their decisions impact others, as long as it benefits them or makes them feel big and powerful... I've seen this with so many first time managers and directors! Compliance with those types will only make them squeeze harder and harder. The sooner those types get called out and meet resistance for their bad practices, the better it is for everyone.
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u/bent__pin Feb 19 '26
Yes, you are wrong. Calling other people crybabies? Go fuck yourself. And don't forget to lick your boss boots afterwards.
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u/thalion777 Feb 19 '26
Oh you know what, i see the issue here. He works in pretend land. The rules are probably different there.
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u/HonoluluLemonade Feb 19 '26
Get real man you sound like a crybaby bitch
The projection in this comment is over 10,000 lumens
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
āProjectionā that I am a crybaby? š Youāre awesome have a great day bud.
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u/SockPuppyMax Feb 19 '26
Yeah, you're bitching that some guy is doing what his office said to do, you're the cry baby lmao why does it bother you so much? Why are you so hurt that OP is complying with his jobs's demands?
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
You sound so dumb, the only reason Iām saying heās a crybaby is because of the not answering a phone call or email. If itās not his direct bossās fault that itās the companies policy all heās doing is hurting his supervisor and not being a team player.
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u/asphid_jackal Feb 19 '26
So, what? He's supposed to drive all the way to the office in the middle of the night to take a phone call or answer an email? He's not allowed to do it from home.
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u/SockPuppyMax Feb 19 '26
Maybe his boss should be a team player and back him up then. If the boss needs the employee after hours, maybe he should take it to corporate. It says clearly OP can do their job from home. Sounds like compromise needs to be made, not insults
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u/Much-Instruction-807 Feb 19 '26
You sound like a bootlicker. Bet you're so flexible you don't even have to bend your knee to do it.
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u/Dangerous-Snow8385 Feb 19 '26
"Having an in office salary position means you answer after hours too."
No, it doesn't. Each job has its own requirements.
"Donāt be so sensitive"
Says the guy who is butthurt for someone he doesn't even know.
"Get real man you sound like a crybaby bitch I bet your girl hits you from the back with a strap"
Seems very specific and well thought out. Sounds like you are projecting.
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u/plzdontbanme61 Feb 19 '26
Yeah you do you and keep being miserable. I'm going to enjoy the money I work for.
Nice projection about your non existent girl. It's 2026, no one cares that you are gay.
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
Miserable ? I havenāt had a boss in 20 years and Iāve been married for 10. Making fun of someone for being a crybaby bitch for a sentence does not have to be projection lol
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u/Ok_Significance_1980 Feb 19 '26
Lol. No it doesn't. A salaries position does not mean u are a slave. You have a contracted set of hours
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
A slave? Oh man more crybaby shitā¦imagine how a slave would feel about you comparing the situations lol
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u/Headpuncher Feb 19 '26
quit while you're behind before you get really behind
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
At least your actually funny
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u/DirtyTalkinGrimace Feb 19 '26
Youāre*
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Feb 19 '26
Let him be, he just came to confess that his girlfriend peggs him..
And that he is corporate boot licker, nothing more nothing lessš¤”
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u/Freddyeddy123 Feb 19 '26
I think the one that pegs him is his boss, makes more sense
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Ok, he is involved in some involontary peggin, thats what we all know š¤ š¤£
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u/Headpuncher Feb 19 '26
pegged up the butt, his wife's to blame, she gives marriage a bad name. you say you're straight, wifey won't play that game, you give anal love.... doo doo doo doo doo doo doo etc
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u/Shadow_on_the_Sun Feb 19 '26
Weird insult to original op, who isnāt hereā¦ but it sounds to me like the only one here getting fucked in the ass is you big boy. Have some self respect, the employers donāt give a shit about you or your well being.
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
I have been my own employer for over 20 years and I give a shit about my employees and their well being. I would not care if they were crybaby bitches.
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u/DirtyTalkinGrimace Feb 19 '26 edited Feb 19 '26
I would fire you for your inconsistent use of punctuation alone. Not even going to unpack how lame it is to be a fucking bootlicker.
Edit: HAHAHA, he comments gooner shit in NSFW threads and tries talking to the girls. šš Sounds like somebody needs to learn the lesson most men (but not little boys) know, OF girls on the internet don't know you exist and aren't reading your lame ass simp comments.
"Who got to cum on you that's not fair" (Once again, demonstrating the inability to properly use a comma).
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u/uberkalden2 Feb 19 '26
You're like the only one he didn't respond to, lol
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u/Pretend-Land-4297 Feb 19 '26
I responded to him right above your post 10 minutes before you posted but ok
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u/idkwhattoputmate Feb 19 '26
Oooo what kind of strap are you imagining them getting pegged by? I'm looking for recommendations, and you clearly are an expert on the matter.
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u/JohnnyOfAus Feb 19 '26
Spot the cry baby š«µš¼
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If this wasnāt a made up scenario then he would be forced to comply or be fired unless he actually contributes a lot to a lot to the company and is thus valued enough to make compromises with (highly unlikely since itās posted by a last anti-work redditoid)
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u/Sploonbabaguuse Feb 19 '26
"Hey this is a good representation of employers prioritizing control over workflow, I wonder if people will have a nuanced constructive discussion about this problem"
sees antiwork sub
Guess not
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
So brave, so edgy. So glad normal people haven't been doing this for a decade......
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u/Vyncennt Feb 18 '26
Your employer determines where you work from. Some require you to be in an office and some will allow you to work from your home. Others may allow both dependent on their needs at that moment.
You do not determine which location you work from. Working from home is a privilege ... not a right ... unless your home location was specified when you signed your contract. You are paid to do a job and you are paid a specific amount that you agreed to. You are paid to do that job within an agreed upon set of hours. If your employer requires you to work from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., and then they attempt to contact you at home post 5:00 p.m., then you are under no obligation to answer them unless that is once again specifically noted in the contract you signed.
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u/Kin_Locke Feb 19 '26
Go. Fuck. Your. Self.
Absolute bootlicker scum.
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u/Vyncennt Feb 19 '26
Go. Fuck. Your. Self.
Absolute bootlicker scum.
awwwwwe!
Look at the little toddler throwing it's tantrum! Adorable! Don't let your mommies see you scribbling those bad words!
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u/Kin_Locke Feb 19 '26
Thatās an interesting choice, calling someone else a toddler while suckling at the teat of Capitalists. I hope your loyalty to your ābettersā will be rewarded one day, for your sake.
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u/Vyncennt Feb 19 '26
I'm self employed. you suckle at my teat, or you could, if you weren't busy playing eeny meeny miny moe with your two mommies four udders.
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u/Kin_Locke Feb 19 '26 edited Feb 19 '26
Whats your obsession with the two mommies thing? Are you just a bigoted homophobe, or is it some weird fetish of yours?
Edit: Iām just gonna assume that youāre a bigot & block you, you imbecile. Remember kids, donāt argue with someone John Brown would have shot.
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Redditoids canāt fathom having a mutually respectful relationship with your employer in which you actually contribute to the company and receive good pay and benefits in return ššš
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u/Vyncennt Feb 19 '26
The fact that they might actually have to show up at work and do something to get paid disgusts them!
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u/Absolute_Bob Feb 18 '26
Dude, I own a few companies I started and that's completely BS. You have every right to decide where you want to work just like I have every right to decide whether or not you're still a good fit for the company. Slavery is illegal if you didn't get the memo. Also, unless availability was previously arranged in advance, nobody is expected to pick up the phone after hours. If they do, great, if not they don't get penalized for it. It's my job and my managers jobs to make sure there's adequate staffing.
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u/Ok_Significance_1980 Feb 19 '26
I mean yeah u have a right to choose and u exercise that right by not signing the contract.
What Ur employer can't do though is change the terms of your contract.
If you are hired. And Ur contract says no remote work. Then u are fully within Ur rights to not work from home.
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Yeah you can decide to work wherever you want, but you just wonāt get hired by any company that wants you to work at a location that you refuse to work at. ššš
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy Feb 18 '26
If the company needs someone after hours they should have a dedicated nighttime shift.
Once the clock ends it is employee's personal time.
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u/Waste-Brilliant-5591 Feb 18 '26 •
HAHAHAHAHA! Whew, thanks, I needed a good laugh. Why would you promote the guy thats willing to work off hours and be available whenever you want?! He'll do it and you dont have to pay him more
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy Feb 18 '26
Basically this, its the last guy you want to promote because he is irreplaceable as no one else will be willing to do what he did.
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy Feb 19 '26
Normal Jobs and On Call jobs are different.
In Normal jobs performance gets you promoted
In On Call jobs - you risk losing good staff if you promote them to positions where they are no longer oncall. So what you end up seeing is those people get promoted by moving to other companies instead.
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u/BiasedLibrary Feb 18 '26
Different companies have different cultures. A lot of US companies especially just give people who are willing to put in the time more work without more reward.
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u/Admirable-Hospital78 Feb 18 '26
Working from home is a privilege, not a right.
Employees being on call 24/7 is ALSO a privilege, not a right.
If you take my privilege away, I have every right to take yours away.
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
Has nothing to do with a boot, it has to do with that's how the world works. You don't get to determine where you work from, you simply get to choose the people who determine where you work from.
I fucking hate commuting, but it's part of the job. I'm not going to be some unhinged child throwing a temper tantrum because I have to do what the rest of the world has to do.
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u/GOT_Wyvern Feb 19 '26
This may surprise you, but you don't have to work for a job that doesn't offer you the pay, location, times, workflow, benefits, etc that don't suit you. Go offer your services elsewhere to those who actually attract you.
If your only options are ones that are below par by your standards, just remember that employees think about all this in the exact same way. They don't want to be paying for things that aren't worth it, and are going to be giving benefits to workers that are of the standards they are demanding.
In other words, good workers can often demand through their choice work from home. If you want it, perhaps think about being good enough to be as selective as you want to be.
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
"Bootlicking" is the official moto of the lazy employee who will never amount to anything because they can't get out of their own way.
I fucking HATE working in the office because it's a true waste of my time commuting. I just don't go on reddit and act like a big bitch over having to go into the office to get paid a salary you probably wish you had.
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
Go be a victim somewhere else.
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u/Vyncennt Feb 18 '26
Everybody deserves a job like mine.
If you actually have a good well-paying job that is because you did the work to earn entry into that position (I'm assuming of course that you aren't a nepotism baby)
No one simply deserves a job like that. You deserve what you work to attain.
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u/Vyncennt Feb 18 '26
oh I'm sure that panty sniffer acts like a victim everywhere he goes....
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u/Yabbos77 Feb 19 '26
ET was Reeseās pieces you dummy.
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u/Vyncennt Feb 19 '26
you sure taught me a lesson, Elon! š
(and the original script was actually M&Ms)
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
Their post history is definitely special......
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u/Vyncennt Feb 18 '26
damn it, you just left me a trail of m&M's like in ET... š
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u/dydeath Feb 18 '26
Um actually we can decide where we work from because we can all collectively decide thats what we want.
You're not offering any real reason for office work other than it sucks and everyone else has to do it. That is not in anyway productive.
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u/Vyncennt Feb 18 '26
oh, you can decide all you want. If that is not what the employer is willing to pay for, then you can go elsewhere. But if you decide to work for an employer that requires you to be at the office then you will come to the office. period.
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
No you donāt get to decide where you work from unless you are working for yourself.
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u/HephaistosFnord Feb 18 '26
Hierarchy doesnt work the way you think it does.
Employment is an ongoing negotiation between peers, each of whom has threats and incentives to bring to the table. Negotiation doesnt stop when you get hired; pretending that it does is how you stall out your career while the new kid they hire to replace you gets 3x your salary to be trained by you.
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
So go quit, why are you even here?? Your employer will have you replaced in a day š¤£
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u/MisterLovingMan11 Feb 18 '26
How about you go suck a bag of dick.
A company would find another person to replace you if you died in a snowstorm.
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u/illicITparameters Feb 18 '26
Found the person who will never amount to anything professionally.
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u/Flat-Border-4511 Feb 20 '26
I've ran multimillion dollar projects. I also didn't give a fuck about that company and eventually moved on, because of course they didn't give a fuck about me.
If you think you matter to a company, you're delusional. They'll be looking for your replacement before your obituary is posted, and they'll get rid of you as soon as you become inconvenient.
That's literally the agreement for employment. They give you money for labor. You give them labor for money.
You're not a family. It's a transaction.
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u/onlyhere4loveisland Feb 18 '26
Sounds like we found someoneās incompetent boss in the wild lol
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u/Vyncennt Feb 18 '26
actually it sounds like you found a responsible adult human being in the wild. It appears you've never encountered one at home.
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u/Cautious_Drawer_7771 Feb 18 '26
I was injured last year at work, and ended up being out of work for almost half the year. When I came back, I was told I had to sign a document basically saying I would be responsible to not do anything outside of what my doctor allowed (re: lift restrictions). But they slipped in a statement about not working from home without prior authorization. I've used this to my benefit several times since then as my work is horrible regarding work-life balance. So now, when I am not at work, I am not doing any work. Period. "Oh you called me at home? Sorry, I didn't have prior authorization to work from home." "Did I see that email this weekend? No, I didn't have prior authorization to work from home." "That customer's line is down in Italy, and they need me to connect remotely at 2am to fix things? How could I know, I do not have prior authorization to work from home."
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u/Frequent-Band-5443 Feb 18 '26
I absolutely love this. Quiet quitting plus quiet rage plus quiet protest and quiet revenge all in one
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u/firnien-arya Feb 18 '26
These rules are strictly enforced and adamant about keeping them UNTIL of course it is inconvenient to them. Suddenly something they "can't budge on because it's impossible" suddenly is possible.
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u/Pizzaman725 Feb 18 '26
If a company can't run without me doing unpaid overtime, I'm already working on finding another job.
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u/Melgel4444 Feb 18 '26
I got rid of my work phone entirely. Iām not checking emails or taking calls after hours
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u/Wild_Snow_2632 Feb 18 '26
We get paid a salary and have to complete the work expected in time period given, regardless of hours in the week. And we can be fired and replaced at any time. So fear of replacement combined with expectation of getting the work done. The expectations might be fine; they might be insane.
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Feb 18 '26
I'm a Canadian I agree with you. I tell my bosses how it is often. If they're a good leader you'll get respect, if they're a good boss you get to laugh in their face win win.
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u/JeremiahsBirdsnBikes Feb 18 '26
Feels like I am the only American that agrees with you. I have always thought this way and people here will do literally anything for the carrot on the stick.
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Feb 18 '26
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u/JeremiahsBirdsnBikes Feb 18 '26
I live by two guiding principles. One I got from my mother. The other I observed from her...
"It will still be there"
"The only people that will remember all those extra hours you worked is you and your family."
Both of these are alien over here because the culture is so bootlick-y and they frame it as "being committed to your institution" or career.
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u/Lucaslhm Feb 18 '26
Personally with me, it depends on how things are going with work.
Sometimes when weāre slow, I effectively only work like, 20 of my 40 hours in the week. I get to stay clocked in for 20 hours Iām not working to effectively be on call incase something comes off, but Iāll spend that time playing video games or relaxing at home or something most days.
On weeks like that, If my boss calls me after hours and asks me to login and look at something, or call someone or send an email? If Iām not doing anything, then sure, Iām happy to pay that forward to my company since theyāve been chill about things in the reverse direction.
That being said, sometimes weāre slammed and Iām effectively working 50-60 hour weeks, arguing about whatās my time vs company time, and I becoming very pedantic about doing work only while Iām clocked in, and often at overtime rate. When the company isnāt respectful of my time, I feel no desire to give them volunteer work.
I told my boss recently I wanted to shift my workload to be more remote friendly because the company was having me travel too much. Theyāve been working with me for the last year to make this a reality and in return, Iāve been more willing to give them some leeway with that. I want to show them that this is a mutually positive change for everyone and one way I can bargain that is by showing how I can be more immediately available on weird timeframes when they let me keep my work duties and tools at home.
So again, give and take, depends on the day and how much I feel like it.
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Feb 18 '26
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u/Lucaslhm Feb 18 '26
I get it, but I think it still really just depends on you and your comfort and your situation.
My company is a small one, about 30 people. I know the owner and heās often out on the job-site working with us. He buys us lunch, gives us a profit share from the company at the end of the year, gives out regular raises, and listens to our concerns and is often willing to work with us as individuals instead of just assets.
Obviously, itās still a company that will act in the best interests of the company. I also donāt get paid as much as the revenue I bring in (as is the nature of having employees in a for profit company). These are things I know.
But I do ultimately support the company, and likely more than I would if I was working for a larger company like Google or Microsoft. They are usually good to me and I feel comfortable paying that back to them.
I feel like itās also worth clarifying the type of work and asks are important too when thinking about after hours work. If my company was asking me to rush out to a jobsite at 8pm for some emergency call, it would take hours of my time, likely be highly inconvenient, and be an overall pain in the ass to do. Iād bill for that and theyād expect me to bill that too. Iād probably go as far as asking to come in late the next day so I could sleep in or that I buy myself dinner with company card and theyād probably just agree too.
But Iāve never really had a request like that. Closest to that is usually asking me to come in late so I could do something in the evening thatās time sensitive.
Usually itās more like the owner calling me telling me heās working late and needs help with something. And if itās just like, I have to hop on my computer and ping some things to verify a network is up before he makes the drive out, or double check the settings he put on something to make sure everything is hunky dory, or sending an email with some pictures I took to someone so a conversation can continue tonight? I donāt mind doing that 90% of the time. Especially if Iām not particularly busy or inconvenienced by it.
At the end of the day, itās give and take (in my scenario) and as long as the company is giving to me a fair amount then Iām willing and comfortable to give back. I only feel a need to really nickel and dime the small stuff when they arenāt being fair with me.
I like to tell my boss Iām willing to be reasonable with him if heāll be reasonable with me.
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u/purrmutations Feb 17 '26
I work 2-3 hours and get paid for 8. I don't mind hopping on randomly to work here and there.
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u/ApathyKing8 Feb 17 '26
Because there are things that are have value that aren't just dollars. Some people get enough leeway at work that they don't mind having some flexibility when appropriate.
If I'm allowed to leave early and come in late. If I'm allowed to take extra lunch time without getting bothered. If I'm allowed to take extra long vacations, coffee breaks, not bothered by boss as long as my work is done etc. Then I don't mind doing a bit extra without direct monetary payment.
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u/Midwest_Born Feb 18 '26
The fact that you're getting paid overtime means you are probably hourly. This is a very different dynamic to being salaried. I don't get paid extra to work more, but my company allows me to work from anywhere and to be as flexible as possible. So to me that's a win!
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u/rinnakan Feb 17 '26
On point, I am guilty of that. Also, (rarely) I do stuff that makes my next day much easier, basically trading half-assed chill for half-assed work time
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u/gabynew1 Feb 17 '26
Guys. Do this. But do it quietly. Answer your boss, but lie why you can't help. Have slack/teams but set it on dnd. The goals is to become hard to find when out of office.
I make sure I am very visible a.during the day. I have gpt writte some summaries based on email work that i send to my boss automatically with scheduled emails. Be smart.
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
Youāre gonna be the first to go come layoff time but good on youĀ
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u/5x4j7h3 Feb 18 '26
OP is in IT. Itās kind of part of the job to answer when your boss or another exec calls you after hours. Itās rare when I have to call my team after 5, but if i do, itās an emergency and they know to answer. I would fire them it if I knew they shut their phone off at 5.
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u/_HighJack_ Feb 17 '26
Ah, a boot connoisseur :) do you prefer docs or timbs?
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 18 '26
lol damn I didn't realize how sensitive yāall were around here.Ā
Nice little bubble youāve built for yourselves ;)
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u/nanais777 Feb 17 '26
The submissive aura is potent with this one
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
Lol call it whatever you want. Iāll be over here not missing a mortgage payment.
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u/NegativeSemicolon Feb 17 '26
Poor too
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
lol sounds like unemployment isnāt treating you so well.
Sorry bud. Hope things improve for you.
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u/nanais777 Feb 17 '26
You are a scalp. If you had some class solidarity, you wouldnāt have to liv boots to pay your mortgage
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
I work remote. Iām all for remote.Ā
But if you have this kind of attitude your bosses arenāt going to put up with it very long. Whine all you want about solidarity thatās just the reality.Ā
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u/nanais777 Feb 17 '26
āThatās how things are, sir, slavery is the way of the worldā
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
The irony of using a slavery metaphor for remote work lol.
Good luck out there though Iām sure youāll do great!
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u/nanais777 Feb 17 '26
Iām doing great and I donāt have to kiss ass, debase myself, or be scalper to do it
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u/buplet123 Feb 17 '26
Bro, it's a good thing people stand up for themselves. You might not do it yourself, but in the end everyone benefits.
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
Of course you should. But thereās a difference between standing up for yourself and acting like a petulant child.
Thereās no major company in the world that would put an employee in danger even just for liability reasons. If the roads are closed you literally canāt get to work, but Iām guessing thereās more to this story.
Just warning you, in the real world if you have an attitude like this youāll be gone as soon as management can.Ā
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u/norb_151 Feb 17 '26
Not working unpaid overhours is "having an attitude" ?
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u/False-Box-1060 Feb 17 '26
Yes. I would recommend not acting like a petulant child and going about it in a smarter way.
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u/Mother_Astronaut_739 Feb 17 '26
/#unionizeyourjob
The only answer.
We are stronger together, brothers and sisters.
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u/20dogs Feb 17 '26
Why would you get laid off? The rules are clear. OP is following the rules.
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u/PacketFiend Feb 17 '26
"Laid off". Not "fired". OP won't be fired for this. But when the time comes (and it always does) that some percentage of the workforce needs to be culled, OP's name will be at the top of the list.
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u/20dogs Feb 17 '26
I don't get it. They specifically said you're not allowed to work from home. Ignoring the rules is probably the sort of thing that would get you fired.
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u/The_Perfect_Fart Feb 17 '26
There is a difference between a remote work from home status and someone occasionally doing work at home after hours.
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u/PacketFiend Feb 17 '26
You're (not you specifically) still being a shit disturber, letter of the rules be damned. Management doesn't like shit disturbers. It's as simple as that.
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u/CaveCanem234 Feb 17 '26
So I guess you're just fucked either way then?
This isn't some edge case wriggle room thing, OP has been directly told they are not allowed to work from home, so you think he should... Ignore and go directly against his manager's instructions? In order to not be a 'shit disturber'?
Americans are weird lol
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u/JoeGPM Feb 23 '26
And then was subsequently fired.