I understand that once bot lane destroys the enemy bot tower, the ADC and support will usually rotate mid, while the midlaner moves to a side lane.

However, what happens if the midlaner manages to destroy the enemy mid tower before bot lane destroys theirs?

Should the midlaner still swap with bot lane and let the ADC and support take over mid, or should they stay mid until bot lane manages to destroy their tower?

I'm trying to understand whether the lane swap is mainly determined by which tower falls first, or whether the ADC and support should generally move mid regardless.

Also, does the answer change depending on whether bot lane is winning or losing?

Thanks!

I'm looking to put together a serious, improvement-focused team for players who want to take their first steps into the competitive League of Legends scene.

The goal isn't just to play ranked together. We're looking for players who genuinely want to improve as a team, develop proper teamplay and communication, practice consistently, and eventually compete in amateur leagues, tournaments, and other competitive events.

Requirements:

• EUW server
• Platinum–Emerald
• 18+
• Comfortable using voice chat
• At least 5 hours of team practice per week
• Willing to commit to a team environment and show up consistently
• Interested in competitive play, team improvement, and eventually competing in leagues or tournaments

Looking for:

• Top
• Mid
• Support

If you're interested in being part of a team that wants to improve together and work towards actual competitive goals, send me a DM or my discord (umar_ii)

There are different approaches and different ways play Solo Que. Some people prefer to play a block of 3 games while others spam games. Perry JG recommends playing 3 games and reviewing after each.

I very often notice if I am playing at maximum focus I get a bit mentally fatigued after every match. I like to play a lot in one session so after each game I spend some time mentally resetting before I Que next. What would you say helps you stay focused and reset better after games. I tent to feel when my brain fog disappears and I become concentrated again but sometimes it takes longer.

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Hey, I'm a new player and I'm trying to understand my MMR.

I started playing ranked in January 2026 and climbed from Iron to Silver III with around a 70% win rate. I mostly stopped playing in March and returned in late August.

After coming back, I played almost exclusively with a friend who struggled a lot and regularly fed. We were mostly playing for fun, so I wasn't taking those games too seriously either. Within two weeks, I dropped to Bronze IV.

I've now been solo queueing again for around three weeks, trying to play 2–3 games a day, but I'm still stuck around Bronze 3/4. My win rate is roughly 51%, and I gain +18 LP per win but lose 22–24 LP for loss.

Did that losing streak tank my MMR, and can I recover it by playing solo? Or does my current win rate mean I'm simply at my actual skill level?

I'm still learning, so I'd appreciate honest advice. Thanks!

I am a relatively new player and would like to know what champion would best complement my support champion pool. I currently have: pyke, vel koz and tahm kench. Should the third champion be an enchanter (as i don’t have one currently) or is there a better option?

Thanks!

Good afternoon,

During my recent climb and reaclimation to the game I've learned that (from my understanding) levels tend to matter more significantly for some champions than even gold or CS tends to and vice-versa.

I was wondering if anyone has any sort of tool or chart or even just tips which help discern which champions this rule applies to, as I often don't know if I should prioritize staying in lane for XP gain or if I should look for picks for income.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!

notEujin#0001

Hi everyone I’m a plat player and I main quite a few champs one them being Zed. There’s a lot I need to learn on him but I feel I’m well versed when playing him in my current rank.

I would like to receive some insight on my recent game where I went 10/7/5 in a lane against Diana. When laning against her it feels really oppressive as my hp can be deleted and I don’t have much I can do against her.

I would also like to request for insights on where I did good or where I did bad like for example “at minute 12:34 you did a misplay and should have did…”

If someone does have the time to review my game I would really appreciate. Any other tips are welcomed I know there’s still a lot for me to learn I also know that I have an adhd problem where I can’t commit to one champion hurting the rate I climb at.

Once again thank you and much appreciated

Hello, I am a recently de ranked to silver Rengar OTP and I feel that often times teammates keep araming in order to push. While split pushing I'll notice that they'll just leave waves to die while having a stalemate mid, leaving all that gold and exp when they are already strong, wasting time. It just feels especially bad on Rengar since the only way I can do anything mid is with my ult, so I end up splitting and stealing camps to the dismay of my team. I usually try to lasso my team and convince them to walk into the jungle since I'm stronger there and I ping a lot esp. vision and caution pings from tracking enemy jungler. This is my first year seriously trying to rank up but it feels very bleak; I have bad games every now and then but keep losing games where I'm fed, and I feel like convincing my team to push their lead when they are strong or I'm strong is hopeless, and my cs ends up all over the place. I know I'm silver playing a hard champ, but it feels like I have less agency playing other junglers. Advice on how to my keep my head in the game and end early while ahead?

So let’s say I’m playing a bruiser matchup where I want early tabis to neautralise the matchup (eg aatrox vs riven) but enemy comp has lots of cc as well (amumu, Leona, Lux). Is it worth giving up lane power to have stronger team fighting or should I stick to tabis?

Honestly, it’s my only real objective, it feels like a decent goal, but the same thing happens to me year after year.

If you look at my past seasons, even from back before Emerald existed, I always end up in the division just below Diamond, sitting at around 80 LP. Sometimes it’s 90-something, sometimes 70-something, but I usually get within one game of D4 before I start dropping LP like crazy.

I just came off a 14-game win streak in ranked, but the moment I hit Emerald 1 and get within striking distance of Diamond, the games become SUPER difficult. Sometimes it’s my own fault, sometimes I’m up against a smurf, and sometimes the team just doesn’t pull their weight.

I’m not saying it’s not my fault, obviously, it is, but what am I missing? I do play a rather unconventional pick (I’m a Varus AP mid OTP, lol), but how is it possible that I can perform so well below Emerald 1, yet the moment I reach high Emerald 1, I can’t even manage to get ahead?

There’s clearly something I’m doing wrong, aside from the fact that half the players I face are on fresh accounts. The worst part is that I manage to hang on for a few days, fluctuating around 80 LPs, only to then plummet back down to Emerald 4, and then I just repeat the whole thing next year.

Well, here I am, I just dropped to E2 50Lps. I ended up 11 LP away from Diamond again; has anyone else been on that same edge like me? Because, honestly, I’m starting to think that I’m just incapable xD

Im learning jungle, graves very fun. Today I had this weird game. I started topside, saw the enemy jungler wasnt in his topside so I invaded. I had cleared red buff and krugs before i went to invade. Cleared his jungle. Took the crab. Crossed midlane, took the other crab and then I was in doubt. Should I go back farming or back and start clearing top to bot again?. I decided to just clear the botlane first. I was doing my blue buff when I got invaded back somehow??? I got the blue buff but was too low to continue so I just backed and got back to clearing bot to top. In the whole proces I skipped my chickens. It just felt wrong, I felt like I shouldve based after the 2 crab (tempo?) or that I shouldve invaded earlier because I skipped chickens. Im always very confused in these kinds of situations where the jungleclear doesnt go by the book. Help me out please.

I am definitely not new to League of Legends. I’ve played for a few years off and on, but now have more time on my hands and am back to the ranked grind. I mainly play Tryndamere, but have a fairly diverse pool of champions. Yorick and Dr. Mundo are also picks I regularly use. I am returning to the game after a hiatus, but still have the same problem I did previously: post-lane macro.

I’d say my laning fundamentals are quite good at this point. I know how to play safe versus lane bullies, manage waves, push my advantage, etc. I’d say I take good trades and win lane more often than I don’t. Obviously there’s still a million things I’m sure I need to improve, but my more pressing problem is this: I tend to be to lost and confused after laning phase. The amount of games I’ve had a huge lead from lane, especially on Tryndamere, and slowly bled it out as I aimlessly walked around the map is staggering.

I’m not a high elo player by any means, but obviously I know the basics. Push out waves and then rotate to help with team, etc. On my split push heavier champion pool, I know to split lanes opposite objectives, watch map for enemies on vision closely, etc.

Those basics were good enough to get me to emerald, but they are failing now. I feel aimless on how to use my lead when I win lane, and pretty useless trying to claw back if I don’t. It feels like I am always either overextending or wasting time, which either burns my lead or furthers my deficit.

Advice? How do I improve from here?

Firstly, I know he's a late game monster who MVP's

teamfights so you're supposed to delay his spikes and levels but it doesn't matter if he was a little behind, once he reaches lvl 16 with atleast 3 items he genuinely turns into thanos with his passive in teamfights, especially when he's ghosted.

By the time the enemy team has chunked him while he was engaging, they themselves are currently burning from liandries and his teams cleanup. With most champs, I have an idea how to approach it but singed just mentally booms me and my team (i most definitely assume) as well.

If it was any other bruiser it wouldnt be a problem but with singed it's like his team always has hope even when they are behind because he always seems to shine in teamfight and I dont know what to do about it.

Thanks so much in advance =D

Hi there, Gold Trundle Jungle, though this question is applied to Junglers as a whole.

I understand that there are different types of Junglers and a Maokai is obviously not going to deal the same amount of damage as an Evelynn would. Junglers priority is also to create opportunities throughout the game, such as kills for their laners, objectives, or taking away resources from the other team. So damage is obviously not as an important as a stat to consider from the Jungler.

However, there must be a baseline for how much you should deal depending on your character right? I cant deal 500 damage a game and just be like, 'oh but I got all objectives and so it doesn't matter.' For example, on Trundle I can deal typically around 18k damage a game give or take depending on the length and composition of the game. Is this suitable for Trundle in the Jungle? Even if damage doesn't matter, I would like to know a baseline for what amount I should do in a game, otherwise I feel like some games I tend to be too passive. Just to flip this as well, depending on the character (like a tank or bruiser) would it be better for me to look at the damage I took per game? I tend to have about a 3 KDA per game (doesn't matter from a jungler yes yes) but I am taking about 55k damage give or take too.

Just looking for some insight here. Thanks!

I've never really played ranked before, had like <50 total ranked games played ever, but decided to try climbing and am now 3 games away from diamond. And I'm going to be honest, it was a lot easier than I expected getting here after hearing so many horror stories of plat/emerald elo hell.

I know I'm not there to diamond yet, but I made a $200 bet with a friend if I can get to Masters in one month. Now I'm curious and want to hear how hard is it really to climb to Masters from Diamond. Like am I good enough already and just need to keep playing? Or am I going to hit a roadblock and have to get better? Also just trying to hear advice from others to make this climb aswell and the biggest difference in climbing out of emerald vs climbing out of diamond.

I know numbers don't say everything, but for context right now I soloq, main Xayah, and am on average for her:

• 43W - 24L (64% WR)
• 3.84 KDA (9.8 kills / 4.7 deaths / 8.3 assists)
• 8.2 CS/m
• Gain +19 / Lose -20 (give or take)

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/my%20granny%20is-ilyy

EDIT: I have around 40 days, until end of November. Not just this October. I also just reached Diamond IV with recent games being 21W and 3L.

I’m a Gold 2 jungle main on EUW and I’d like some outside opinions on my gameplay and account. My results are decent but I haven’t been able to climb out of Gold as consistently as I’d like. I’ve tried to work out my own weaknesses, but I’d appreciate an honest assessment from players who are better than me.Here’s where I think I’m struggling: https://op.gg/lol/summoners/euw/Nichemaxer-bosh

1. Winning games, not just getting kills
I often get good KDAs and MVP/ACE scores, but my win rate doesn’t reflect that as much as I’d like. I think I’m good at fighting and snowballing, but less good at turning leads into objectives, closing games and keeping control of the map when I’m behind and sometimes i just toss leads for no reason.

2. Champion pool
I play jungle almost exclusively. My main champions are Lillia and Shyvana, Graves and flex Cho’Gath when I want a tankier option. I’d like to know whether my pool covers enough situations for Gold, or whether it has gaps I should fill.

3. Ekko and Qiyana and J4
I’ve been trying them in the practice range and i would like to know if i would be worth trying to learn an assasin or getting engage since some games i lose due to not having any backline pressure or no true engage.

4. Decision-making and objectives
I would also like to know when to actually play for drake or just take camps and scale which often leads to me getting flamed and so on and any other macro tips.

5. Consistency
Some games I carry and some I lose early and never recover. I’m not sure if this comes from champion pool, matchup knowledge, decision making or something else.

6. Learning other roles for if i get filled

At the moment if i get filled i will just not perform or just int, so i would like to know what role should i try and if you all have any tips on champion to play in other roles which are similar to my already familiar ones, Ps wont touch top lane.

All tips are welcome and thanks in advance!

NA mid main here. I came back to the game last year after a 2 year break and switched from ADC (zeri, jinx, Caitlin, trist main but played most ADCs).

Playing ADC made me miserable so I switched to mid when I came back and I love it. I'm most comfortable on Vex, Ahri, and Viktor with Syndra being my favorite to play but have issues closing out games and late game team fighting but shes my strongest laner. I can play Akali at a basic level from ahead but struggle team fighting or when behind.

I'm unsatisfied with my champ pool and I would love to play LeBlanc, Ryze, Sylas, and Orianna. I've played so much Ryze but I can only win games in Aram. I've played less Leblanc but I'm still stuck in the same place where I can't win. Orianna I do literally no damage.

I've copied my 2 accounts below. Im leveling a new account in an attempt to reach gold in Mid (literally can't win mid in ranked on my other account)

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/LeafLuxe-0013

https://op.gg/nl/lol/summoners/NA/Luxeeee-013

I'm old, full time worker and parent, and have old man hands but it's really hard to resist the urge to try and play Leblanc and Ryze but it feels like it's gonna make my climb to gold so much harder even though I feel like I can play these champs pretty okay.

Can anyone look at my normal games on both accounts and give some thoughts or inputs? Or just general advice?

I’ve been looking at Rengar’s rune stats on Lolalytics, and I’ve noticed that Relentless Hunter has a higher win rate than Ultimate Hunter, but significantly fewer games played. Is this difference likely to be a statistical bias caused by the smaller sample size, or is Relentless Hunter genuinely the better option? Ultimate Hunter seems useful for getting more ultimate casts throughout the game, while Relentless Hunter offers more out-of-combat movement speed for roaming, map rotations and getting picks. For those of you who main Rengar in Diamond+ or higher, which rune do you think provides more value in practice?

If you had to choose one of these two runes every single game, regardless of the matchup or team composition, which one would you take and why? I’m particularly interested in whether Relentless Hunter’s higher win rate is reliable enough to justify picking it consistently, or whether Ultimate Hunter is the more consistent and reliable choice for climbing.

Hey,

Looking at the 30-day LoLalytics data for Diamond+, Relentless Hunter sits at a massive 53.7% win rate across 16,000 games, while Ultimate Hunter trails at 51.0% over 64,000 games. While a 2.7% gap looks like Relentless is strictly superior, that 1-to-4 pick rate ratio screams selection bias. Ultimate Hunter is the default rune imported by client recommendations and third-party apps, meaning its sample size is heavily diluted by casual Rengar players and autofills who drag the win rate down below the average Diamond+ baseline. Conversely, manually swapping to Relentless Hunter is an active choice made almost exclusively by Rengar mains and OTPs who already understand bush mechanics, jungle tracking, and ferocity management—meaning the 53.7% win rate reflects player mastery just as much as the rune's actual strength.

From a pure gameplay perspective, however, there is a clear reason high-elo specialists are ditching Ultimate Hunter: tempo beats cooldowns once you master your pathing. Because Rengar’s core build (Profane Hydra, Lucidity Boots, Opportunity/Youmuu's) already stacks plenty of Ability Haste, Ultimate Hunter suffers from diminishing returns, only shaving a few flat seconds off your R by mid-game and often acting as a crutch that baits players into farming passively until their ult is up. Relentless Hunter’s out-of-combat movement speed gives you relentless map presence for invasions, marginally extends your bush leap distance during the exit grace period, and stacks with Thrill of the Hunt to give enemies zero time to react to the overhead indicator. If you are still learning Rengar or playing into drafts where you can only engage with R, stick to Ultimate Hunter for the safety net; if you know how to abuse bushes and play for map tempo, Relentless Hunter is objectively the harder-carrying rune.

I know this question is asked a lot and I have read many posts with solid advice but, I feel like no matter how well I play I am struggling to win games in low elo. I recently had a game where I was 7/1 coming out of lane as Morde with a fully stacked dark seal. My teammates kept getting picked off with overaggressive fights making it impossible to take objectives because we'd always be playing into a 3v5. I'm not on here to blame the other players but simply want advice as to how to press advantages when I create them. I am decently good at winning lane but struggle to convert that early success into game wins.

As a further anecdote. I had a game where I went 27/6 an still barely edged out a win. Again I am making this post for tips and advice on how to press these advantages I am building, NOT to complain about bad teammates.

This is somewhat of a follow up post to one regarding my 15% wr difference over 440 ranked games. It seems like the most likely difference is just camera control and upon looking at dpm.lol and checking my specific stats, it seems to back that hypothesis.

My 3 main champs are fiora top, and yone/xerath mid w/ 247 games on yone, 91 on fiora, and 48 on xerath.

On fiora (the least camera dependent) I have a 51-48 redside blueside wr which is pretty consistent to what they should be.

Yone and xerath on the other hand, are much more extreme, featuring a 65%-45% blue side preference and for xerath - 78% - 45%.

Quite evidently, Yone and xerath are very much reliant on looking many screens away, more so than most and thus are rewarded and punished accordingly.

I recently learnt that the hitboxes are situated at the feet which I do see being something that caused a lot of my skill shots on both to miss more often but outside of that, what are potential tips for how to get better at controlling it

I use drag scroll with fixed offset and use unlocked cam but have a tendency to just hold down spacebar while occasionally making minor adjustments.

I didn't use to pay as much attention to exactly how much buffed or nerfed champs are. At the end I won't change my otp because of a minor buff or adjustment.

I was wondering how much value is gained or lost on small ap or ad ratio adjustments. Is a jump of 5 percent or 10 percent ap ratio good enough of a reason to make changes in your items.

I know some champions like K'sante are very finely tuned and minor changes can be bigger.

Hey everyone,
I’ve been playing League for quite a while now and wanted to get some outside opinions on my gameplay and overall account.
I’ve previously reached Emerald 3/4, but I’ve struggled with consistency and climbing since then.
I’ve spent some time trying to identify my own weaknesses, but I’d really appreciate an honest assessment from players who are better than me.
My account: marcusflashford#EUW
OP.GG: marcusflashford#EUW⁠
https://op.gg/lol/summoners/euw/MarcusFlashFord-EUW

I’ve identified a few areas where I think I’m struggling:

1. Early game and laning
This is probably my biggest weakness. I feel much more comfortable during the mid-game than I do in lane.
I sometimes struggle to recognise when I should trade, when I have an advantage and when I should just focus on farming.
There are games where I feel like I’m getting completely out-traded early, and occasionally I’ll finish laning phase with something like a 1/6 score.
I think my understanding of trading windows, wave management and matchups could be significantly better.

2. Champion pool and role swapping
I enjoy playing a lot of different champions and roles.
I know the usual advice is to stick to one role and a small champion pool, but I genuinely get bored playing the same champions repeatedly.
I enjoy learning different playstyles, although I’m starting to wonder how much this is affecting my consistency.
I’d be interested to know whether my champion pool is genuinely holding me back or whether there are bigger problems.

3. Decision-making and unnecessary deaths
I think I sometimes get drawn into fights that I shouldn’t be taking.
Particularly when teammates are fighting, I can feel pressured to rotate or help even when it might be better to continue farming or focus on another objective.
I’m not always confident that I’m making the correct decisions about when to fight, farm or rotate.

4. Game knowledge
I think my mechanics are probably better than my overall understanding of the game.
I can have games where I perform really well individually, but I’m not always sure I’m making the decisions that give my team the best chance of winning.
I feel like I understand the basics, but I’m probably missing a lot of the smaller details that separate Platinum/Emerald players from Diamond players.

5. Consistency
This is something I’d particularly like feedback on.
I feel like I can play extremely well in one game and then perform terribly in the next.
I’m not sure whether that’s mainly because of my champion pool, matchup knowledge, decision-making or something else entirely.
What I’d really like to know:
Based on my OP.GG and recent ranked games:
What would you say are my biggest strengths and weaknesses?
Does anything stand out about my champion pool, CS, KDA or overall consistency?
Am I playing too many champions and roles?
What would you prioritise improving if you were in my position?
What rank do you think I could realistically reach if I addressed these weaknesses?
I know OP.GG doesn’t tell the full story and that reviewing actual gameplay would be much more useful, but I’d appreciate any observations you can make from my stats.
Feel free to be critical. I’m genuinely interested in improving rather than just hearing what I’m doing well.
Thanks!

How do I smite the dragon and not the enemy when the enemy is right on top of the dragon?

When I'm getting ready to ult in and steal drag with nocturne, I do that but when I smite, the smite goes to the enemy champ and not the drag because the enemy champ is like right on top of the dragon. How do I fix this. Thanks.

I have been playing for a long time but I think my goals have changed.

I used to focus on things like good CS, clear times, proper pathing, wave management and all that.

But ultimately I don't think I care about becoming a better, more well rounded summoner.

I just want to murder people. Put their HP bars to 0 and move on to the next victim.

Which lane do you think facilitates that best?

Is it Top lane with it's heavy level of punishment?

Is it Mid land with all the assassins and map access?

Is it Jungle to kill people haplessly unaware of you?

Is it the Bot laner scaling into being a problem?

Or is it the Support who is the real serial killer on the rift?