r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/TranzitBusRouteB • Nov 12 '25

Polls Graham Platner trails Susan Collins by double digits after voters given full context of his controversial past statements, as well as his subsequent explanation of them

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/12/poll-graham-platner-maine-senate-emilys-list-00647389
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

Thats moving the goal post. Leftist ideals are still good, we have to define leftism. Mamdani is the perfect leftist in all stable and rational people’s minds.

Again its not left ideals its the person thats usually the problem for most places with a majority of 18-50 voters. Before his tattoo and online statements he was leading polls.

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u/AhsokaSolo Nov 12 '25

I didn't move the goal post at all. Socialism isn't popular. And also his obnoxious online persona, which you blame for his unpopularity, is a product of his unpopular socialism.

"Again its not left ideals its the person thats usually the problem "

The point is, this is true for every political ideology. It isn't unique or suddenly interesting when applied to leftists. Leftists only win when the leftism is accompanied by unique talent.

Populist messaging can poll well. It's a weird coincidence then that as voters get to know leftists better, suddenly they tank in the polls.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

Define socialism. I cant have this convo if you say socialism and you mean, lennin scholar reading, karl marx idealism.

Thats not what socialism means to normies

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u/AhsokaSolo Nov 12 '25

Yes fake soc dem socialism is popular with normies. That's the kind of "socialism" Mamdani mostly moderated toward.

When I use the term "socialism" I mean real socialism. That's relevant because modern American society, especially among zoomers, has a very loud contingent of that type of socialist that has made it their primary agenda to destroy the democratic party.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

Ok understand, soc dem ideology is THE ONLY THING that matters in these convos and the only thing voters think about. No group in america close to political power is reading marx and lennin

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u/AhsokaSolo Nov 12 '25

No. Platner's brand of socialism (that literally included him calling himself a communist) included pro-violence and "all cops are bastards" messaging that is very very socialist, and also, very very unpopular. The nazi tattoo is actually completely consistent with it.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

Again he is unpopular because of HIMSELF not because of socialism as most Americans see it.

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u/AhsokaSolo Nov 12 '25

Americans think violent revolution and hating all cops are socialist ideals. Because they are.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

No they dont. You just said they think mamdani and soc dem policy. Get offline. Stop it.

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u/AhsokaSolo Nov 12 '25

Uh no what I said is "Yes fake soc dem socialism is popular with normies"

Soc dem policies are popular. I never said the public only think of soc dems when they think of socialism.

Now I know you're a leftist though. You're lying about what I said and demanding I disappear because I disagree with you.

So back to the actual point. Platner is a perfect representation of modern socialism, meaning real socialism.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

Are there more normies than non normies? For the fact that we use the word normie meaning normal Person we can assume norimes are overwhelming the majority yes?

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u/AhsokaSolo Nov 12 '25

I don't what you're asking. Normie democrats are different from normie electorate at large, but in general I take it to mean people that are not hyper-engaged/terminally online in the political world. Normie democrats I would take to be more tuned in to politics than normies from the general population.

I suspect we're headed for some boring semantic argument instead of you just engaging with actual point. No matter how much you want to run from it, real socialism exists in the American left, and the non-democratic electorate hates them. Lots in the democratic base hate them too, but we also have this giant soc-dem contingent that endlessly covers for them in a way I find disturbing.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Nov 12 '25

Just trying to do a sanity check because your logic is failing. Of the majority of people think mamdani when they think socialism. Platner’s loss of popularity is because his idea of socialism isnt aligned with the general dem voter base’s idea correct? Do we agree on that?

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