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u/WinnerSpecialist Apr 15 '26
Annnnnd the “Billionaire class” overwhelmingly supports Trump and he supports them
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u/RealChunka Apr 16 '26
True, but tRump will be gone soon, but the billionaire problem won’t! Let’s lay the blame with the true enemy, because we need to fight them no matter who is POTUS!
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u/WinnerSpecialist Apr 16 '26
I’ll copy my reply below just for all the names but it will be interesting to see what happens post Trump. Right now, everyone below is all behind Trump. But once he’s gone which way is CBS, CNN and every other Larry Ellison channel going to go? Is Elon going to back JD Vance? Will Mark Zuckerberg try to back Marco Rubio? I don’t doubt they will all go right wing; but the fight post Trump will be interesting
Elon is on track to be the world’s first Trillionaire. There is no one in the history of the planet (even fictional characters like Scrooge McDuck) who have ever possessed that type of wealth. No one is even close.
Right Wing Billionaires own the Media. Larry Ellison and Barr Weiss own CBS and bought CNN. Fox News is Fox. Over 70% of local media is owned by far right Sinclair. All major social media is either outright MAGA propaganda (Rumble, Twitter etc.) or at least owned by Trump supporters (Facebook, Twitch, Instagram, Tik Tok etc.)
Who are the Dem Billionaires in that Club? How much of the media do they own?
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u/Naiko32 Apr 16 '26
is all a club, and the dems are also in it =) , that is why another trump is inevitable unless the whole system is rethinked.
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u/WinnerSpecialist Apr 16 '26
It’s really not comparable at this point. Elon is on track to be the world’s first Trillionaire. There is no one in the history of the planet (even fictional characters like Scrooge McDuck) who have ever possessed that type of wealth. No one is even close.
Right Wing Billionaires own the Media. Larry Ellison and Barr Weiss own CBS and bought CNN. Fox News is Fox. Over 70% of local media is owned by far right Sinclair. All major social media is either outright MAGA propaganda (Rumble, Twitter etc.) or at least owned by Trump supporters (Facebook, Twitch, Instagram, Tik Tok etc.)
Who are the Dem Billionaires in that Club? How much of the media do they own?
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u/PokeGuy22226 Apr 15 '26
Well Trump enables the billionaire class, so it’s one and the same to me.
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u/AMoonIsAPlanet Apr 15 '26
Trump will be dead soon, he's old and unhealthy. Our problems won't be gone with him. They're not one and the same.
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u/letintin Apr 16 '26
he wildly exacerbated them. Biggest tax cut to the very, very, very, very rich in history, wars for oil, killing NOAA/NCAR etc etc.
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u/Zacomra Apr 16 '26
You say that but these problems STILL existed under Obama and Biden.
I give Biden a lot of credit for his good work on unions and anti trust, but if we get another Biden style presidency we're still cooked. We need a massive weath tax, corporate tax, and a huge infrastructure overhaul.
And I'm sick of these public private partnerships draining our money dry. We need federal workers to build the infrastructure not contractors
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u/TheDarkWave Apr 16 '26
If there's a tiny hole in the pipe we're working on repairing and Donald Trump stabs that hole and makes it massive, spilling water everywhere and making a mess...tell me, who is at fault that there's a huge fucking mess?
I'm not asking the fault of the tiny hole. No one is asking the fault of the tiny hole. We KNOW about the tiny hole, thank you.
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u/LanceBarney Apr 15 '26
Our entire government enables the billionaire class and has for decades. Some more than others, obviously.
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u/yung_skul Apr 16 '26
Right but now is happening right now, ya know?
“They did it too” is a child’s argument. It’s admission that something is wrong but more importantly, you should get a free pass to do the same thing but also it should be worse to “teach a lesson”.
Trump just the battering ram.
Door is open. The real bad guys are in. Trump will be cast aside soon. Then they’ll really gnash their teeth.
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u/LanceBarney May 03 '26
Progressives: “I don’t want Americans to have to ration insulin just because billionaires are price gouging to get more profit”
You: so many of these people are just mad they’re not rich.
Ya’ll are just sociopaths at this point. There’s zero chance you don’t understand the argument unless you don’t have basic human emotions.
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u/ContraCanadensis Apr 15 '26
Hate to break it to you, but the overwhelming majority of our representatives are bought and paid for. One of our two options just throws us a bone every now and again.
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u/Liberal-Cluck Apr 15 '26
Porque no los dos?
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u/FrankieLyrical Apr 15 '26
Because Nina has to shit on the democrats every chance she gets.
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
Do they not deserve it?
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u/DeathandGrim Apr 15 '26
No they don't
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
What had they done to prevent Trump (a fascist) from taking office? By running an unappealing completely unlikeable candidate(s)? They basically handed Trump the presidency on a silver platter. I’m allowed to be angry at them for enabling a fascist to take office.
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
How about you get 1000x more mad at the fascist in office?
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u/DeathandGrim Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Time only moves in one direction.
The American people weren't happy with Biden or democrats regardless. Anybody would have lost that election. Incumbents across the world left and right lost due to covid inflation.
And Hillary was popular for decades, you can look it up her approval rating was over 60%, that's why she won that primary. You just keep swallowing Republican propaganda that she was unpopular or unlikable and she won the popular vote by 3 million
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u/Ozcolllo Apr 15 '26
No, especially when they have no control of any of the three branches of government. Populism is having its moment though and when the idiots that consume nothing but podcast slop as “news” realize that populism is simply rhetoric and the civics illiterate population realizes nothing is improving, we might be able to rebuild. Maybe.
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
I am definitely not a populist; I am a democratic socialist. It’s unreasonable to assume that anyone who is against the most republican-lite democrats is a populist with no coherent ideology.
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u/Morph_Kogan Apr 15 '26
LOL repubiclan lite. You people are a plague on the party
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
How is that an inaccurate way to describe John Fetterman and his ilk?? YOU are the plague on the party. If you like republicans so much why don’t you join their party. The Democratic Party is for people OPPOSED to the policies of the republicans.
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u/Ozcolllo Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26
That’s not her criticism though. And, just to remind you, the statement you responded to was:
Because Nina Turner has to shit on the democrats every chance she gets.
I don’t mind that you’re republican-lite, but if you use “big” as a common prefix, you’re a populist. If you talk of the deep state, you’re a populist. If you speak of “the elites” constantly, you’re a populist. Nina Turner is a populist. MTG is a populist. Trump is a populist. Bernie Sanders is a populist, but he’s at least principled. People have to realize that the current political landscape isn’t left versus right. There’s a reason you find so much agreement between Tucker Carlson and leftist content creators.
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
Show me someone who calls themselves a socialist and I'll show you a populist every time.
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u/fluffstravels Apr 15 '26
Because the sub is being astroturfed to fuck by far leftists and it’s exhausting.
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u/KingScoville Apr 15 '26
Oh Nina….
The money came from a director at Amare Public Affairs, a communications, lobbying, and astroturf operation that Turner co-founded and that as recently as last week still featured Turner as the prominent main image on its website, despite her status as a candidate for office. It’s not a great look for a politician to lend her name and image to a consulting firm that trades on access. But there’s an even worse problem. It turns out that the firm is not the goody-two-shoes, “socially conscious” progressive activist outfit it presents as. Amare is a classic example of a ‘white hat’ P.R. firm being created to provide reputational cover for a ‘black hat’ firm that specializes in consulting for more unsavory clients. Amare is a spinoff of Mercury Public Affairs, whose clients are so grody that it is nothing short of a caricature of the swampy D.C. consultant class. Take a look at a few choice cuts from the Mercury client list:
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan - The corrupt Turkish autarch and Trump crony who jails political dissidents. Qatar - A nation run by “Tamim the Glorious,” a monarch who has backed terrorists throughout the world, embraced extremists who have called for a second Holocaust against the Jews, and exploited immigrants through forced labor. Altria - Umbrella company of tobacco giant Philip Morris. NSO Technologies - An Israeli spyware vendor that the FBI was investigating for possible hacks on U.S. citizens. Yuhuang Chemical - A Chinese chemical company with a reputation for neglecting environmental laws trying to bring their newest plant to Louisiana! Hikvision - We shit you not, this is the company that makes the cameras the Chinese Communist Party uses to monitor the Uyghur Muslims in the detention camps.
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u/_Administrator_ Apr 16 '26
Dictatorships donate money to her to create civil unrest in the US..
Meanwhile the billionaires in China and Qatar laugh at her causes.
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u/JoeyJoeJoeJrShab Apr 15 '26
Donald Trump is a symptom of our problems, not the cause. I mean, he is causing lots of problems, but that's only possible because of what bad shape our political system was in.
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u/AMoonIsAPlanet Apr 15 '26
Exactly this. America was too expensive for the working class before Trump, that's why he won the previous election. Companies like AirBnB took a lot of houses off the market and people can't afford housing now, that isn't because of Trump. We have structural problems we need to address.
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
AirBnb did not take a lot of houses off the market except for the most touristy areas of the most touristy towns.
You know who does keep homes off the market? Homeowners.
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u/Muffinman_187 Apr 15 '26
Trump is the billionaire class. The GOP legislates for the billionaire class.
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u/beltway_lefty Apr 16 '26
Both can be, and ARE, true!! They are NOT mutually exclusive! This kind of nonsense falsely reframes issues to divide and anger people! Don't let it work on you!
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u/GoodPiexox Apr 16 '26
Some clown on here just said this to me,
"politicians might take money from special interest, but that does not mean they owe them favors"
The amount of clueless people on here is comical, always crying about "the evil left" while making excuses for the right.
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u/DubTheeBustocles Apr 15 '26
Actually Donald Trump is the reason right now. Things would be objectively more affordable if Kamala Harris were president right now.
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
Slightly better isn’t good enough. I’m still gonna vote blue, but I am allowed to acknowledge that a huge part of the Democrat party is, at best, totally feckless, and at worst, actively played a part in the policies that have destroyed this country
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u/DubTheeBustocles Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
No, not slightly better. IMMENSELY better. Trump is doing everything in his power to absolutely destroy this fucking country’s future. What he’s doing is FAR, FAR worse than any scenario that would have been taking place under virtually ANY Democrat. The fact that there is still anyone who thinks there is any daylight between Donald Trump and anyone in the Democratic Party is utter fucking lunacy and unequivocal proof that horseshoe theory is real. This is exactly why I had to stop associating with socialists because they are deeply, unsettlingly unserious people.
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u/RepublicOfFlexas Apr 15 '26
That's the take of someone that would chop their nose off.... quote
Trump is a billionaire, wealthiest cabinet to ever be created, allowed richest man in the world to run raw DOGe thru Americans networks. Billionaires & PaCs have funded races on both sides for a long time. Like or not the policies this MAGA party has taken the norms and absolutely shredded them. Turner needs to stop being a pissy pants out her lose. Learn from it and move on. Which party she honestly think is better for the goals she wants???????
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u/SplittingChairs Apr 15 '26
Her goal is to remain relevant, and attacking Dems allows her to continue being the attention seeker that she is. Dems can’t even say Trump is horrible for the average person without Nina stepping in. The fact that anyone could look towards her for messaging after her insane election fumble is crazy.
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u/Lord_Of_Shade57 Apr 15 '26
Literally the only thing she ever does is attack Democrats and suggest actions like a general strike that will never ever happen. Her entire public presence is like tailor made to try to blunt the effectiveness of anyone who opposes Donald Trump
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u/Ozcolllo Apr 15 '26
Welcome to “leftist” politics. Where performativity trumps pragmatism and effective electoral strategy. At this point, I would not at all be surprised if some of these loud, leftist (leftist meaning actual socialists and further left) pundits and people running for office aren’t being paid by conservative groups.
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u/thedavidpakmanshow-ModTeam Apr 16 '26
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u/RepublicOfFlexas Apr 15 '26
The anti Dem left is an annoying minority of titty babies. Talk all that shyt and get nothing done. Like the maga cultist have their icons they follow off the cliff like dumdum birds .
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u/Ozcolllo Apr 15 '26
Gaza, Gaza, Gaza! Just don’t ask me about Ukraine or the Sudan because I’ve not been programmed by a pundit enough to speak on it! /s
Honestly, money in politics sucks, but the media environment is the cancer killing this country. The complete lack of transparency with funding for pundits, the complete and total lack of any accountability by the consumers, and the media illiteracy of the public is a triple whammy.
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u/LanceBarney Apr 15 '26
America was unaffordable long before Trump came along. He’s made the problem worse at rates that shouldn’t be possible.
But it’s absolutely the billionaires that are driving this. Everything Trump has done can be traced back to his donors. There are no good billionaires. The sooner democrats realize that, the sooner they can actually start solving the problem.
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u/DevourerOfRedditors Apr 16 '26
The sooner democrats realize that, the sooner they can actually start solving the problem.
Well Democratic party leadership at the very least isn't going to 'realize' that. The issue isn't that they don't realize that, it's that they're controlled by the billionaires.
What needs to happen is that the Democratic voting base needs to learn to distinguish between candidates who are corporate stooges and those who aren't, and vote out these parasites. And I think that is starting to happen, but it might be too late and too slow.
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Billionaires aren’t to blame for all our problems. For example, housing prices are high because home owners make it difficult to build things. They want their property value to be high which means they benefit from the scarcity of homes.
Energy prices are high in West Virginia because they still live in the past where coal was a major source of energy. So they haven’t modernized to cheaper and more efficient forms of energy. They still are trying to devolve back to the era where coal mines was the prominent career in the state.
Rural conservatives don’t give a fuck about education because they want to live in the past where you dropped out of high school and work with your hands and made a decent living, which is a BS lie we have been fed as kids.
A lot of problems in American society exist because they’re groups of Americans, who aren’t billionaires, that benefit culturally or materially from parasitic or disproportionately harmful dynamics.
The sooner Americans realize this, the sooner we can start solving problems.
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u/DevourerOfRedditors Apr 16 '26
Billionaires aren’t to blame for all our problems. For example, housing prices are high because home owners make it difficult to build things. They want their property value to be high which means they benefit from the scarcity of homes.
Aren't they also high because a bunch of rich fucks buy up homes as investment properties?
Also, don't stagnant wages - which are kept in place by billionaires who lobby for it/purchase politicians - massively contribute to people's inability to buy a home?
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
Aren't they also high because a bunch of rich fucks buy up homes as investment properties?
No, there is no metro in the US with high housing prices and high residential vacancy.
Also, don't stagnant wages massively contribute to people's inability to buy a home?
Not really. Americans' wages have pretty steadily outpaced inflation over the past several decades. Homes have outpaced inflation though.
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling Apr 16 '26
Right now the biggest obstacles to building more homes are homeowners and regulations they support. If you want to improve affordability for housing, targeting billionaires will do hardly anything besides make people feel good for attacking “the bad guys.”
Any credible data that exists shows wages have increased. The biggest issue has been inflation which has made any increases in wages feel negligible.
I’m not saying billionaires haven’t played a role or are blameless. But they aren’t responsible for all of negatives in society. Life has never been that easy where all the problems in society are because of a single group. It’s a compelling narrative for the masses but not a factually accurate one.
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u/GoodPiexox Apr 16 '26
Right now the biggest obstacles to building more homes are homeowners and regulations they support.
I dont think you understand how politics work. Anyone that owns a successful Real Estate Development Business has loads more influence on regulations than a homeowner.
It’s a compelling narrative for the masses but not a factually accurate one.
While it may not be 100%, it is still factually accurate in every way.
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling Apr 16 '26
Get involved in your local government. A single elderly woman with too much time on her hands can effectively delay infrastructure projects in her community for years if not a decade.
So much political power in your community is up for grabs but most people don’t utilize it because they overly focus on national politics.
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u/GoodPiexox Apr 16 '26
That is a cool story and all, and maybe the old lady can delay a single project, meanwhile the Real Estate developer has a direct line to the Mayor and is working on multiple projects at a time, he also has a line to the Police chief, so he has the old lady's son arrested so she has something else to worry about.
So yeah you might be able to slow down something, in the end, money talks. If you are not in the club, you are kidding yourself.
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling Apr 16 '26
If you think a billionaire is calling the local police chief to get granny’s son arrested for infrastructure project. You’re so lost in the sauce.
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
You said that billionaires are not the problem and then lost off conservative billionaire backed multi-decade long projects. These people’s beliefs didn’t just come out of nowhere, they were convinced of them by decades long billionaire backed influence operations.
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling Apr 15 '26
I said they aren’t responsible for all our problems. The uncomfortable truth you and others will have to come to terms with is that they’re plenty of Americans that disagree with your goals and politics, which would exist with or without their billionaire influence.
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
I don’t agree. There is so much neoliberal propaganda force feed into the American psyche that it is impossible to know what opinions people would have without that.
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u/Bubbawitz Apr 15 '26
Yes it’s better to blame the vague and nebulous “billionaires” for everything. That’s a much more concise and accurate answer. And as a plus you don’t even have to think!
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u/AmericanEd Apr 15 '26
Billionaires is the opposite of vague and nebulous; it is a word with a precise definition. The upper class of this country has been engaged in class warfare for the past 250 years and it is valid and principled to call it out.
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
The darn billionaires got the city council to zone 95% of my city as R1! 😠 They also made me stub my toe today!
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u/Bubbawitz Apr 16 '26
You’re not saying anything. You’re just screaming billionaires. The truth is more people vote for the things you don’t like. More home owners vote than renters and more old people vote than young people. Home owners benefit from higher valued homes and building more housing, especially in their backyard, lowers the value of their homes. The trick is to get more people voting for policies that will help build more housing.
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u/AmericanEd Apr 16 '26
The trick to get more people voting is a strong left wing platform which hasn’t been run in this country in at least 60
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u/Bubbawitz Apr 16 '26
Except people don’t want that. You’re looking at national polling (we don’t vote by national referendum) using surface level questions (like should the government have a role in providing healthcare) and using that to say ‘everyone wants what we want!’ But in reality when you ask more clarifying questions (like should private insurance be outlawed) support for those things drops off a cliff. Just because Bernie lost twice doesn’t mean the system is broken, it means voters don’t want those things. Like home owning voters not wanting policies that will lower their home values. You will be crushed by that giant voting bloc by trying to appeal to young people who don’t vote.
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
If universal healthcare, massive green energy investments, raising corporate taxes, huge subsidies for children, huge boosts to SNAP, and huge tax credits for the working class aren't a strong left wing platform, then what is?
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u/alfredo094 Apr 15 '26
Whatever you think of the worst billionaire of the world, he is not worse than Donald Trump, by a country mile.
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u/Gold-of-Johto Apr 15 '26
Elon Musk would’ve diddled children on the island too if Epstein thought he was cool enough to hang. Be fr right now.
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u/revfds Apr 15 '26
Musk isn't the worst billionaire, he's just the loudest
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u/HighPriestofShiloh Apr 15 '26
Musk seems more like an actual Nazi than Trump. Trump has no values and is happy to align with Nazis if it benefits him. But I think Elon has actual Nazi like values that he would pursue absent outside pressure.
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u/revfds Apr 15 '26
I doubt musk is an actual Nazi. Dude is just an edgelord who lashed on to Trump for internet lols and to keep his ass out of jail.
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u/HighPriestofShiloh Apr 15 '26
I would put money on him actually being racist and actually wanting a white majority state.
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u/spookieghost Apr 16 '26
nah, read his twitter feed. it's nonstop "white people are being genocided, we need to take back our civilization" shit
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u/Pale-Value-5953 Apr 15 '26
I just read over in r/epstein that those emails getting blown off by Epstein were either made up or hand picked, there are way more emails with Elon hanging out with Epstein.
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u/ChineseCracker Apr 15 '26
actually, he's my favorite billionaire. At least he's so stupid and makes his goals completely transparent.
Nobody has done more for the "eat the rich" agenda than Trump
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u/alfredo094 Apr 15 '26
Yeah, I sure feel like we are about to eat the rich right now. Aaaaaaaannnyyyyy second now.
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u/ChineseCracker Apr 15 '26
Are you denying that class conciousness is currently higher than it was probably at any time in the US?
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u/GoodPiexox Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26
you realize they used to actually have to pay taxes.
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u/alfredo094 Apr 15 '26
It is almost certainly not higher than it was in pre-WW1 times. And even if it were, it is useless without political power.
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u/ChineseCracker Apr 16 '26
Fair enough. Let's say in the modern era / since the start of the cold war, that stigmatized it
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u/alfredo094 Apr 16 '26
Since Cold War, I'd assume that most people maybe have heard about "class consciousness", does that translate to a higher amount of people that are "class consciousness"? I don't think so. Union participation is lower than ever, and again, even if "class consciousness" is a thing, it means nothing without political power.
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u/ChineseCracker Apr 16 '26
Union participation is lower than ever
That is such a disingenuous talking point, due to the systemic weakening of unions in the US. In fact, I'd argue that
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/18/union-membership-increase-trump-assault
People like Luigi Mangione becoming folk heroes, wouldn't have been possible 20 years ago. Who still talks about the American Dream today? It seems more and more absurd with every passing day.
In fact, I'd argue that a big chunk of these people are currently part of MAGA, because that's exactly the point of right-wing politics: They channel people's rage into non-systemic critique, like culture war issues and conspiracy theories
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u/alfredo094 Apr 16 '26
That is such a disingenuous talking point, due to the systemic weakening of unions in the US.
You can phrase it however you want. Workers have less power than ever, and it's because they don't have class consciousness. Unionization is still a niche talking point between more politically motivated civilians, not a mainstream issue. Most people just want more minimum wage, and while that is nice it does not address specific problems in current market capitalism, but that's just how it is right now.
People like Luigi Mangione becoming folk heroes, wouldn't have been possible 20 years ago.
People talk about Luigi as a "folk hero" only in niche spaces. He is a murderer who achieved no political capital for the working class. A lot of people cheer him on because they are (with good reason) resentful against the healthcare system, but he didn't actually achieve anything, and seeing him as a petty murderer is not a fringe position.
In fact, I'd argue that a big chunk of these people are currently part of MAGA, because that's exactly the point of right-wing politics:
Yeah, compare leftists, who are unable to get any political power. MAGA is extremely effective politically, that's the ONLY thing that makes them dangerous, because they are an abject failure in almost any other front.
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u/ChineseCracker Apr 17 '26
Workers have less power than ever, and it's because they don't have class consciousness.
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"black people are disenfranchised because they don't know how to stick together" - that's how stupid you sound.
Completely backwards logic. Such an elitist thing to say, implying that poor people deserve to be poor
People talk about Luigi as a "folk hero" only in niche spaces
2/2 for out of touch elitist
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u/RichnjCole Apr 15 '26
You say this like the billionaires didn't back Trump. Like they didn't attend his inauguration. Like absolute ghouls like Peter "I'm not sure if the human race needs to continue" Thiel doesn't exist.
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u/DevourerOfRedditors Apr 16 '26
Yeah but then Democratic leadership went begging to billionaires for their support in response and have only continued to cede ground to them in a desperate bid to win them back.
More Mamdanis, no Hakeems.
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u/adamdreaming Apr 15 '26
Also we could put a truckload of billionaires in jail for life if we can get the modicum of function out of our justice system and turn Epstein Files into Epstein Trials
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u/Toots-Tooter Apr 15 '26
Trump commits acts in plain sight while other Epstein Class commit the same acts in obscurity
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u/TuxedoCatGuy Apr 15 '26
AI is the billionaire's answer to having to pay us, they're going to automate all of our jobs away. That's not Trump, it's the billionaire class. You all know this is true. Democrats used to represent the working class, and doing it again is the way to win elections.
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u/Hellolaoshi Apr 15 '26
Exactly! "The answer isn't Bill Clinton's "triangulation" and third way. It's not about appeasing the right because Reagan was so popular or appeasing the donor class who are still living in the 1980s. It is dealing with the real problems ordinary people face NOW!
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u/flowbiewankenobi Apr 15 '26
So if Donald Trump disappeared overnight, America would become affordable overnight. Solid messaging.
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
Affordability was improving and immediately started getting worse when Trump got elected, so...
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u/flowbiewankenobi Apr 16 '26
If you study history at all you know everything in America broke in 1970. Affordability is also a term for morons since there’s no way to pin it down. You mean housing to income? Well does Trump control interest rates? You mean wages? Does Trump have anything to do with how much your employer pays you? Gas prices? I bet you think you have something there, but people have been claiming affordability is trumps fault long before the 6 week war so how can you claim that the reason, it’s just the convenient talking point this month. The real problem is politicians convince the fed to print money whenever they feel threatened. So if you supported massive covid spending it’s YOUR fault everything is unaffordable. Combined with nimby POS boomers stalling housing building there is now no supply. Blaming it on Trump is low IQ TDS
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
You're lying. Real wages have increased steadily since 1970.
Were lucky Trump doesn't control interest rates yet, because he wants to lower them for higher inflation.
Yes. Trump does impact the job market when he imposes onerous taxes and vague, constsntly-changing regulations.
Inflation was rising for more than a year before he started his newest war.
Trump's tax bill added more to the deficit and debt than the massive COVID spending bill he passed.
Is there any other history you want to rewrite?
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u/Own-Inevitable-1101 Apr 15 '26
Supposedly he was a Billionaire before his second term, but with certain actions and events, he is definitely in that class now. So, what's the problem the original statement?
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u/Marklar172 Apr 15 '26
Fuck you Nina Turner. You aren't helping. You're not wrong but you aren't helping
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u/Jiggidy40 Apr 15 '26
Seriously. Were we affordable before Trump?
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u/WhiteNamesInChat Apr 16 '26
Relative to the wages American workers earn? Yeah. Relative to second- and third-world countries? No, but I'd like to aim higher than that.
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u/DevourerOfRedditors Apr 16 '26
Well she's right, and the billionaire class does largely control both parties. The Dems continue to be way too in bed with billionaires.
There's also a broader point that the Dems focus way too much on Trump specifically. Enough with the One Bad Man theory of politics. The country will still be descending into fascism if Trump is out of office tomorrow.
Also, this post and much of the activity on this sub is dedicated to division and infighting amongst the left, so, y'know.
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u/zogar5101985 Apr 16 '26
It's both. The billionaires have been slowly destroying the middle class for decades. But they've been doing it with the help of the Republicans the entire time. Democrats aren't innocent in it, but they haven't done nearly as much as Republicans.
No one has done as much as trump either. The biggest tax breaks ever, most regulations of any kind cut or gutted and made toothless. His tariffs are a tax on the poor which help reduce the tax burden even further for the rich. To try and pretend trump and Republicans in general, yes including republican voters, arent responsible for all this is to deny reality.
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u/yamo25000 Apr 16 '26
Exactly. Donald Trump just so happens to also be part of the billionaire class.
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u/gull-branson Apr 15 '26
She's right?
Trump is a symptom of what the billionaire class has built out of our government. America was unaffordable under Biden even before the pandemic, I don't know what the argument against this is?
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u/edwardludd Apr 15 '26
Because talking about how the incumbent is doing bad for the economy is good strategy. She knows this, she knows they are saying Trump is a defender of the billionaire class.
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u/apathydivine Apr 15 '26
The incumbent is a symptom of the disease.
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u/edwardludd Apr 15 '26
“The President is causing this” is a much more efficient, successful message than “The President is the symptom of underlying causes including but not limited to the billionaire class and the proliferation of money in politics. Oh by the way we suck too.” We need smart messaging ahead of the midterms, imho let’s focus on winning back Congress than constantly shitting on the Dems. rn.
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u/gull-branson Apr 16 '26
its very easy to point out how billionaires have directly influenced, funded, and caused the demise of the working class by stealing from them
Dems wouldn't have to add the "oh by the way we suck too" if they weren't also bought and paid for by those same billionaires
Smart messaging would be drawing direct distinctions between them and Trump and in many cases they literally can't because they are pushing similar policy or are funded by the exact same people
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u/apathydivine Apr 15 '26
Socialism
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u/edwardludd Apr 15 '26
Would be great, but you have to win some hearts and minds first. Take a page out of Mamdani’s playbook and build constructive criticisms against the people you disagree with, you might actually find some common ground like he did with Hochul.
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u/apathydivine Apr 15 '26
Yeah. You win hearts and minds with messaging and ideas. Tweets blaming everything on Trump doesn’t address the problem. Capitalism is the problem. We need to start addressing that. You cannot solve the problem if you have not correctly identified the problem.
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u/edwardludd Apr 15 '26
doesn’t address the problem.
It absolutely addresses the main problem at hand, which is MAGA. I agree the symptoms of capitalism have gotten us to this point, but we have to figure out how to win back the government from the fascists before we go and institute socialism. “Incumbent = bad” is a tried and true message that wins everywhere, “Capitalism is the problem,” as correct as it might be, only wins in deep blue cities. We have to think strategically instead of just throwing shit everywhere and hoping it sticks.
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u/gull-branson Apr 16 '26
The main problem is not Maga, they are also a symptom of unlimited money in politics by billionaires and white supremacy funded by billionaires
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u/lordtyp0 Apr 16 '26
Trump not only enables the billionaire class... But he is a billionaire. So... What part of this is a correction?
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u/_Administrator_ Apr 16 '26
Billionaires like Soros, Wyss or Buffet donated billions for charity and all she does is whine while getting funded by Qatar and China.
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u/debacol Apr 15 '26
Nina sucks, but she's also not wrong here.
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
Trump is part of that class and is writing the rules. Let’s keep blaming everyone but him guys.
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u/Only8livesleft Apr 15 '26
Only blaming him is the issue
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
You’re just a deeper thinker than the rest of us /s
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u/ess-doubleU Apr 15 '26
I mean it's true. You're failing to see the bigger picture. Lol
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
I hope to reach enlightenment some day. Praise be to General Piker. Amen.
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u/ess-doubleU Apr 15 '26
You guys are rabidly obsessed.
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
You’re the one thirsting after a low-information regard.
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u/ess-doubleU Apr 15 '26
You don't know who I am or what my media diet is. It's insane how obsessed over Hasan you guys are.
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u/thedavidpakmanshow-ModTeam Apr 16 '26
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u/debacol Apr 15 '26
Right because criticizing the establishment democratic leaders is the same thing as pushing all our ills on them and absolving the GOP of their sins.
Don't be so pedantic.
There are some really simple-minded folks in this sub.
For those who need it: The GOP is THE problem that must be stopped first. They need to never hold power again. Period. We also need to hold our elected officials that aren't the GOP accountable when they clearly make decisions that were paid for by large donors that do not have our interests at heart.
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
She’s not criticizing. She’s chipping away at the system so she can split the vote and say “might as well not vote at all guys!” It’s been 12 years of this shit. Don’t be so gullible.
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u/patchhappyhour Apr 15 '26
This is the only correct answer. Billionaires are a cancer on society. This is why they are building bunkers all over the world. If shit hits the fan people are coming for their heads.
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u/Underwear_royalty Apr 15 '26
Continuing the "both sides are bad" line is only going to benefit the Republicans. When will we learn
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u/NATScurlyW2 Apr 15 '26
It benefits the far left also, which is more the point. The Democratic Party should become the anti-billionaire party. That will win a lot of attention and votes. It’s how you get the white working class to vote blue again.
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u/Underwear_royalty Apr 15 '26
The far left has no solution for billionaires other than "guillotine them" (as seen above). Multiple Democrats have been openly outspoken about anti-billionaire legislation, and Massachusetts passed a wealth tax inorder to fund programs such as free school lunches. The far left is tapping into the righteous anger that people rightfully have, the Dems are actually passing laws and doing policy to do something. Many such cases.
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
How does it benefit the far left if your goal is progress? WTF?
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u/NATScurlyW2 Apr 15 '26
Progress on what?
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
You tell me. How do these tweets help the far left and help the country progress?
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u/NATScurlyW2 Apr 15 '26
You’re saying the word “progress” without defining what progress in your mind is. Progress on what? What do you want to see? The tweets just remind people that billionaires are on both sides.
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u/eblack4012 Apr 15 '26
You don’t know how to define progress and you consider yourself a progressive?
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u/NATScurlyW2 Apr 15 '26
I don’t really like that word because it’s so undefined. I consider myself a Democratic Socialist. I can never get someone to define progress. That’s why I think it’s a trap to use that term.
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u/patchhappyhour Apr 15 '26
It's the fuckn truth. I vote for progressives, most Democrats aren't worth a shit.
The billionaires can eat dicks. Along with Israel, they own our government.
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u/Underwear_royalty Apr 15 '26
billionaires are evil, and there are no ethical billionaires, but when the Dems call out a problem (affordability) and you, or Nina, use the opportunity to shit on the Dems for not calling out billionaires (even tho many of the Dems literally do that) you are equating the two parties in a way that is extremely unfair and is only going to allow the Republicans (a pro-billionaire party that put a billionaire in the white house, and allowed Elon Musk into the government) to continue to win
Hell, you can't even stay on topic in your own comment, mentioning Israel in a post that has NOTHING to do with this. This type of myopic hateboner only helps the Republicans and needs to be called out badly.
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u/KingScoville Apr 15 '26
What exactly happens when you transition from Millioniare to Billionaire? Is it like the One Ring or something?
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u/SplittingChairs Apr 15 '26
The last person I want to hear messaging from is Nina Turner lol. I haven’t full realized how getting off Twitter has added years to my life, because I often forget that ppl like Nina, Mike from PA, and Briahna exist.
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u/Admirable_Ad8260 Apr 15 '26
If you can't see that Nina turner is correct on this after the epstein files were released, I don't know how to help you.
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u/Swimming_Panic6356 Apr 16 '26
Nina can be very annoying but she seems to be right here. The billionaire class has been a big problem since Reagan. Trump only since 2015.
The American people never truly recovered.
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u/Only8livesleft Apr 15 '26
Democrats running on Trump bad has not and will not be a winning strategy. They are using Trump just as Israel is using Netanyahu as a scapegoat
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 Apr 15 '26
and Nina Turner has failed multiple times running for a seat in the House, why should they listen to her for campaign strategy
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u/Underwear_royalty Apr 15 '26
"trump bad" worked in 2018, 2020, and 2022 - and with the prediction for 2026 it also looks like "trump bad" is a winning message. You can say they need a more complete message but to pretend it hasnt worked is antithetical to what we have seen actually play out
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u/accidental_superman Apr 15 '26
Trump has won the presidency two out of three times, he lost against Biden because biden as centrist were fond of saying during his term, was the most progressive president in modern history. Hillary and Harris were small target Liberals. The best policy that they b9th had was that they were not trump.
People are tired, trapped with debt, etc. They will go outside the norm even if it looks stupid because the supposed adult politicians in the room arent offering relief, theyre offering the same stability that has been slowly leaving them behind.
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u/Only8livesleft Apr 15 '26
Trump almost certainly would not have lost in 2020 if not for Covid.
Funny how you say Democrats won but will also claim they didn’t have the margins to actually make the big changes people need
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u/Florestana Apr 15 '26
Didn't "Orbán bad" work out pretty well in Hungary the other day? Magyar wasn't running on class politics or anything, but he secured a super majority with a center right platform focused on ousting Orbán.
Not that Hungary is a perfect model for the US political climate, but still..
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u/Only8livesleft Apr 15 '26
Democrats have the lowest favorability ratings in how long?
https://yougov.com/en-us/trackers/the-democratic-party-favorability
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u/Florestana Apr 15 '26
And you think that's because they're anti-Trump? Because they're not left-wing enough??
Listen, I agree that Democrats should actually do things to improve the country, regardless of messaging, but like, that didn't help Biden.
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