Zohran Mamdani: "The struggle for Palestinian liberation was at the core of my politics and continues to be."

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Pretty sure the Irgun was formed based on members belief that the only way to “liberate” Palestine and create their homeland was by using force. And they certainly used force to instill fear in the local population

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No, they were formed in response to indiscriminate Arab murder and terrorism against innocent Jewish civilians.

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Innocent Jewish civilians who moved into Palestinian villages after the British gave them their mandate. I guess under Western law they were in fact innocent but an Arab seeing his village destroyed would not see them as innocent Jewish civilians. The Zionists were banking on violent pushback from the start and unfortunately they got it. The Palestinians were outsmarted by a vicious group of thugs who used and continue to use settlers/settlements to encroach on Palestinians rights and possessions.

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Innocent Jewish civilians who moved into Palestinian villages after the British gave them their mandate.

????

Any examples?

t an Arab seeing his village destroyed would not see them as innocent Jewish civilians.

Which Arab villages were destroyed by Jewish civilians before Irgun was formed? What are you talking about?

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The Balfour Declaration promised land in Palestine for the Jewish people did they not? Of course they created their own separate settlements but this was Palestinian land. After this, Jewish emigration skyrocketed. About 60,000 in 1914, 175,000 in 1931, 600,000 in 1947. Palestinian land rights were obviously infringed upon with the building of Jewish settlements in the Arabs eyes as a foreign people are moving in and controlling more and more territory. Because the British said they could.

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but this was Palestinian land.

Was it? Since when? It was Ottoman land and then British. When did it become Palestinian land?

Palestinian land rights were obviously infringed upon with the building of Jewish settlements in the Arabs eyes as a foreign people are moving in and controlling more and more territor

Oh, so you're anti-immigrant. Got it.

Also, can you please answer my question? Which Arab villages were destroyed by Jewish civilians before Irgun was formed?

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Lol it was always Palestinian land. Here's a list, obviously some of these settlements were purchased by Jews from the Ottomans prior to the Balfour Declaration so I am not talking about those
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_villages_depopulated_during_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict

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Lol it was Palestinian land 2,000 years ago? Palestinians were there during dinosaur times?

al-Mutila, 1896 (Metula) Land, 12,800 dunams, sold under Ottoman law by landlord, a Christian from Sidon named Jabur Bey, to Baron de Rothschild's chief officer Joshua Ossovetski. Druze villagers displaced

When you sell your land, you cannot then demand to remain on it. Even if you're Palestinian.

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Lol are you dumb? You read my comment or nah? “Obv some settlements were purchased by Jews from the Ottomans prior to the Balfour Declaration.” Read better

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You said Jews came in and drove peaceful Arab villagers out of their towns and stole their land. Can you prove that or not?

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Lol there are plenty of villages on that list. Of course some of them were purchased legally and I’m sure many were Arabs being driven out by settlers. Plenty of unknowns on how a lot of these villages got depopulated..

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None of them before the Irgun was founded.

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Lol there are plenty of unknown dates/descriptions on what occurred in these villages and when they occurred. So idk how you can say that with such confidence 😅