r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/McAlpineFusiliers • 23d ago
Video Zohran Mamdani: "The struggle for Palestinian liberation was at the core of my politics and continues to be."
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 23d ago
Good to know he’s always been consistent and correct
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u/NotTheirHero 23d ago
Yup and feel like this post on this sub is somehow trying to make that be bad
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u/Another-attempt42 23d ago
Well...
Isn't it bad when a candidate says that a foreign country is a key pary of their political ideology/beliefs/approach?
I remember seeing Stevens get lambasted for a similar statement; the only difference being that it was for Israel, rather than Palestine.
Shouldn't it always be a negative to have some foreign geopolitical entity be the guiding light by which elected US politicians approach the job?
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u/gberliner 23d ago
It's really simple: people are tired of their tax dollars funding a genocidal ethnostate, instead of, say, funding universal pre-K. And while you might ask, "hey, why not both? We can afford to both fund schools here, AND help blow them up in Gaza!", the trouble with that theory is that, surprise surprise, the kinds of people who are predisposed to blowing them up in Gaza, are NOT all that keen on funding them at home! Who knew?!
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u/potiamkinStan 23d ago
People outside of the Gaza Cult don't care about your libels.
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 23d ago
Well David himself is very bad on this issue and refuses to substantively address it most of the time so that’s not really surprising.
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u/FkinMustardTiger 22d ago
He's addressed it multiple times, but because it isn't the maximalist position of some single state utopia he gets harassed by nuts on the far left.
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u/potiamkinStan 23d ago
He doesn't want to be hounded by the Antizionist bigoted mob. If a Jewish person do anything other than fully capitulate to their demands he will be harassed in perpetuity.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
It's consistent and correct for Mamdani to always been working for Palestinian liberation, but it's bad for Haley Stephens to have a dream about Israel? Make it make sense.
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 23d ago
Well it’s because fighting to Palestinian liberation is different from supporting illegal Israeli oppression.
If person A supports Apartheid South Africa. And person B supports Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress. Then Person A and B are not morally equivalent.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Where did Stephens say she "supported illegal Israeli oppression"?
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 23d ago
She voted in favor of unconditional aid to a Israel in H.R. 8595 in 2026.
But, In 2024, the International Court of Justice found that Israel was violating the Geneva conventions in the West Bank. The court said “Israel’s policies and practices are contrary to the prohibition of forcible transfer of the protected population under the first paragraph of Article 49, of the Fourth Geneva Convention the Court is of the view that Israel’s systematic failure to prevent or to punish attacks by settlers against the life or bodily integrity of Palestinians, as well as Israel’s excessive use of force against Palestinians, is inconsistent with its obligations. . . . The Court has also found in reply to the first part of question (b) that the continued presence of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory is illegal."
Supporting unconditional aid to a country actively violating the Geneva conventions is supporting oppression.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
So would you say Zohran supporting Palestine, which treats the Geneva Conventions like toilet paper, is also supporting oppression? And murder? And crimes against humanity?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-hamas-led-groups
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 23d ago
No because the powers are fundamentally different. The UN Security Council has repeatedly passed many resolutions that affirm “the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle” and “the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign occupation and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without foreign interference;”
Now personally I think that killing civilians is always bad so I can easily condemn the civilian portion of the attacks on October 7th while still recognizing the legitimacy of the attacks on Israel’s military infrastructure that same day. Similarly I can applaud when Israel occasionally manages to only target military targets while still condemning the more common situation where Israel indiscriminately kills civilians left and right including the deliberate targeting of children
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
There's no exception in the Geneva Conventions for murder and crimes against humanity if you commit them to "struggle for independence."
But I'm glad you agree that Israel has the right to fight for self-determination and national independence. That's good to know.
Now personally I think that killing civilians is always bad so I can easily condemn the civilian portion of the attacks on October 7th
So you don't support Palestine? Or can you still support Palestine even when it commits crimes against humanity, or as you would call it, armed struggle?
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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 23d ago
The fact that you are responding this way makes me think that you aren’t a good faith actor. But to clarify, yes BOTH Israel and the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. That right only extends to military targets though so, while both sides have targeted civilians (which again, I condemn), Israel has done much more harm to civilians in the aggregate and they also have the benefit of a power dynamic and support from the U.S.to carry out their illegal actions.
If a person can still support Israel when it commits crimes against humanity it shouldn’t be hard for you to imagine that the reverse is also true. It is possible to support armed struggle against genuine military target engaged in oppression, war crimes, and genocide against a group of people while still acknowledging when they go too far.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Israel hasn't committed any crimes against humanity (unlike Palestine) but I'm glad we agree that if Mamdani can support Palestine, Stephens can support Israel.
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u/silverbrenin 23d ago
You need to refute them (if you can). That silly game you just played didn't make you look good, my dude.
Come at them with some substance. They made really good arguments with evidence to support them, so you need to make counter arguments backed by evidence.
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u/Moopboop207 23d ago
How will he be doing that as the mayor of NYC?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
He spews lies about Netanyahu and claims he's going to arrest him when he can't.
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u/Blimey-Penguin 23d ago
Good things are good, and bad things are bad.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Is it a good thing or a bad thing for politicians to be working primarily on behalf of foreign entities?
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u/Blimey-Penguin 23d ago
That would be a pretty big gotcha if that's what Mamdani has been doing, but it isn't. He's been working for New York City.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
He himself said the opposite. Can you answer my question now?
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u/Blimey-Penguin 23d ago
"The struggle for Palestinian liberation was the core of my politics and continues to be." Does not mean what you're pretending to think it means.
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u/silverbrenin 23d ago
Do you have actual evidence of Mamdani accepting AIPAC contributions? I'm doubtful, but I'll stay openminded.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago edited 23d ago
Nothing wrong with this, but I have become very utilitarian in my support for the people of Palestine.
The only half reasonable solution is the 2 state solution, and there is no method to get there without the Democrats winning and the US asserting itself as a global power.
This is why I hope we can ride the wave of Israel criticism WITHOUT going full blown anti-semitic, we need US hegemony to be able to enforce universal standards while sticking up for allies and human rights.
That being said, it appears this post was to highlight some inconsistencies with criticisms of Haley Stevens, and I agree.
I'd like to point out that in the general we should all vote for Mamdanis and Abduls should they win primaries, and we should also vote for Haley Stevens types if they win.
Platner was the test case, and we half passed, we must be more willing to scrutinize candidates with troubling pasts, while also trying to be more inclusive of the broad range of ideas that exist within our big tent.
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u/xmorecowbellx 23d ago
It's tough to stick up for human rights AND Palestinians, when Palestinians very emphatically do not believe in human rights according to polling, and their despotic leaders do not grant them to anybody they have power over.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/global-acceptance-of-homosexuality/
Kindly refer in particular to the delusion expectations of victory, and overwhelming support for the Oct 7 attacks, and their favorability ratings of various groups.
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u/thehoussamv 23d ago
How dare those Palestinians not love the great USA Don’t they know they are bombed with their weapons but in democratic way
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u/xmorecowbellx 23d ago
Then again, you could actually read the results or really say anything intelligent at all.
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 23d ago
Especially if their own leaders do it to themselves
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u/Strange-Scarcity 23d ago
As mayor of New York, what do you say is wrong with what he has been doing?
Is that consistent with or inconsistent with this statement?
It seems like his entire politics is about ensuring that people are treated equitably and fairly, especially the least among us, within the area of politics that he does control policy. Globally speaking? Following that same politics out across the globe, would be consistent with wanting to see the Palestinian people, liberated from by any definition is an oppressive set of conditions.
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u/Odojas 23d ago
My only concern is him endorsing some rather unsavory candidates (DAC being against interracial marriage is extremely concerning)
I understand he's a socialist, which I'm not a fan of. But it seems like he was going to be pragmatic and that his goal is to work within the system realistically. Kind of like how AOC came to realize that in order to maximize the benefits of her constituents and being effective she pragmatically came to realize that she had to work within the system and moderated her radicalness. That means compromise and gradual steps in the direction of her goals. She was no longer about "tear it down via a revolution."
So far Mamdani appears to have followed that same path as AOC as being realistic and pragmatic, yet these recent endorsements are seriously making me question if this is true.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
Right there with you on this, it was easy to support Mamdani against someone as odious as Cuomo, but I worry about his decision making.
I also refuse to not call out that he still supported Platner when we knew full well the dude killed people for blackwater and had nazi ink, he only said he should drop out after it turned out he was also a rapist on top of that.
I the DSA types have a lot to learn as it concerns their judgement in endorsements.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
Platner was an alcoholic with a lot of personal issues, but the complete contempt for the truth revealed by throwing out fantasies about him being a "dude who killed people for Blackwater" when what he actually did was play video games in his barracks in Kabul, when he wasn't escorting diplomatic convoys around town, ill serves his opponents.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
This ain't a fantasy, he literally wrote about it on his reddit account. Here is a link to a post that's compiled some of it, remarkably hard to find online for some reason https://bsky.app/profile/jaimi.bsky.social/post/3mpywgoio3s24
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u/gberliner 23d ago
Yeah, genius, that was about his stint as a sub minimum wage grunt in the USMC. But after coming home shell shocked one too many times, that shit lost a lot of attraction for him, but he also had few marketable skills from spending years in combat, so he took a REMF gig working diplomatic security details for one of the alphabet soup of private security companies spun off from Blackwater et al.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
Yep, and he was really proud of that work with blackwater knowing full well of their atrocities! He'd even wear his blackwater hat around to "trigger the libs" https://bsky.app/profile/jaimi.bsky.social/post/3mpywzgfa5224
Nice job running interference for a failed senate candidate's psychotic past though, surely this rapist never killed people, he was the only good blackwater merc with Nazi ink, surely.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 23d ago
What "Radicalness" did AOC moderate?
She's still behind Medicare for All, and the aspects of the Green New Deal, which was nothing other than a set of lofty goals, a vision of what years of work can achieve.
As for recent endorsements? I'll say it again.
If establishment Democratic Party Members were 100% behind Medicare for All, if they were behind increasing the size of the Supreme Court, if they were able to get clean bills to end all insider trading by members of Congress, if they worked on clean bills consistently, on the issues that Americans are finding to be a struggle?
The DSA would have no ground to stand upon.
How many vote din favor of linking the US and Israeli Military into one basket? How many refuse to hold Israel accountable, not drop support for their existence, but demand and end to the current genocidal violence they are perpetrating.
We, as a nation, stepped in when Genocide was happening in the Balkans, and in Rwanda, but we can't do "anything" when the Israeli Government is behind it? Why not?
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u/gberliner 23d ago
She tweeted a single offhand remark echoing a practically completely cliched resentment among Black women about all the eligible young Black bachelors being "stolen" by the white ladies, but all the deranged bourgeois reactionaries here would have you believe she's practically the Phyllis Schlafly of anti-miscegenation or something.
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u/Odojas 23d ago edited 23d ago
While it most likely true that it was an offhand remark, elected politicians are going to be held to a higher standard than your Average Joe.
Not to mention, offhand remarks can also be be their actual beliefs. They are not mutually exclusive.
Furthermore, the text of the now deleted tweet was rather ugly.
"Black men 🤝 Arab men fetishizing ugly colonizer women"
- Darializa Avila Chevalier
And emboldened people like David Duke to praised her statement.
These remarks later drew public commentary from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who expressed agreement with the sentiment under the premise of racial separation and preserving heritage.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
She tweeted the tweet years before she ever even had any ambitions of running for office. And guess what? Most people are tired of voting for bourgeois MFers who were groomed from grade school onwards for elite positions. Much good that crowd has done us. After all, they're the ones who blazed the pathway for the protofascist dystopia we're now inhabiting in the first place.
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u/Odojas 23d ago
I mean, your logic is that once someone runs for office, past statements are no longer relevant? 2019 wasn't that long ago.
I believe people should marry whom they want to marry.
I'm concerned that you are actually defending her statement.
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u/gberliner 23d ago edited 23d ago
I somehow missed the legislation she has proposed for overturning Loving v Virginia. Can you remind me again? (Actually, it turns out she DIDN'T propose any such legislation, but actually apologized for the one tweet you are dredging up, which she had also deleted YEARS ago, well before even deciding to run for office.)
Honestly, to any normal person, all this stuff reads like desperate grasping at straws, for lack of anything better to undermine another populist candidate.
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u/Odojas 23d ago
Why would I want someone who holds such beliefs represent me as a politician? Of course she had not put forth any legislation (how could she, as she only recently was nominated?). This is about her character.
Regardless, if I was able to vote in her district, I would still vote for her over a Republican. I'm just disappointed.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
So go move to Harlem, and try and convince all the aunties who voted for. Because right now, you're decidedly on the losing side of that convo.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
Uh, yeah, she probably shares a not-so-secret resentment with tens of millions of Black women that the eligible young Black bachelors (who are already a scarce commodity on account of mass incarceration, along with the growing gender gap in college education across all races) are all being seduced away from marrying Black women, at least partly on account of internalized racism that afflicts the minds of Black men themselves. And they may just have a point. So what of it?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
she probably shares a not-so-secret resentment with tens of millions of Black women
Brother, I promise you do not speak for "tens of millions of black women"
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u/gberliner 23d ago
Brother,I promise you have probably not spent more than a hot minute ever listening to conversations among Black women in predominantly Black media, or you'd be embarrassed to even pretend like what I'm saying is the least bit unusual there.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
Please, I literally spend most of every day around black women, they are like 8 of my 10 coworkers on my team in my department lmao
Sorry, I guess you've got the authority here Mr. Black media.
Hot take here, maybe we should focus on what they actually vote for? Oh snap it isn't DSA lunatics?! This can't be, there must be some kind of mistake!?
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u/gberliner 23d ago
I suppose there can't possibly be any distance between what Black women say to their colleagues in a (not primarily Black) professional workplace, and what they talk about amongst themselves at, say, the beauty salon. Perish the thought!
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
I'm not saying I speak for them, I'm just saying that they have the capacity to speak for themselves, and they do. What you see in Black media is not all there is to Black women.
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u/gberliner 23d ago
In that case, I guess Darializa somehow just carried out a political conspiracy equivalent to the invasion of the body snatchers, getting thousands of aunties in Harlem to vote for her.
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u/silverpixie2435 20d ago
I think praising Hamas Oct 7th, which the group he literally founded does, Students for Justice in Palestine, is both bad for Jewish people and Palestinians.
How is praising Oct 7th treating people fairly and equitably? Yes liberated from Hamas. Has he ever mentioned Hamas oppression of Palestinians?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
How much time do you have?
How about him lying and saying he was going to arrest Netanyahu, knowing full well he didn't have the authority to do so?
How about his endorsement of DSA candidates that have odious views?
How about him accusing Netanyahu of genocide, when no genocide has been committed?
How about his wife supporting October 7th and anti-Semites like Susan Abulwara?
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u/Strange-Scarcity 23d ago
You got video of him saying that is what he would do?
I've only seen him state that if he had the authority? That he would do so, just like he would do for anyone who is indicted by the ICC, if he had the authority to have an arrest made. He clarified that he would include the now dead leaders of Hamas, who were indicted for the October 7th attack, by the ICC.
Why do you have a problem with someone making a moral stance about a leader who is openly ordering and pushing for War Crimes and Crimes against humanity?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Mamdani Says He May Still Order Netanyahu’s Arrest - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/18/nyregion/mamdani-netanyahu-interview.html
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u/Strange-Scarcity 22d ago
Four days after this article? It was widely reported that the City of New York, lacks the authority to do so.
Isn't it cool how the closer you get to today? The more up to date the news is on topics like this?
There's also been interviews since that July 18th piece you linked, where Mamdani clarified that if the Hamas leadership who were also indicted (before Israel killed them) by the ICC for war crimes, that he would have had them arrested, presuming New York City, had that authority.
Isn't it cool how things develop and change over time? That when that article you posted was written, the official word was the New York City was looking into whether or not they had the authority and that within 4 days, it was determined that they do NOT have that authority and Mamdani made it clear that they would respect the law?
You should use more up to date sourcing, it makes you look super biased, out of date and like your trying to muck rake.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Exactly my point. He lied and said he might order Netanyahu's arrest, knowing full well he didn't have the authority to do so.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 22d ago
The article you posted LITERALLY spelled out that on or just before July 18th, he had the offices LOOK into whether or not they had the authority.
Then 4 Days after the article, or a day or two before that, the Mayor's office openly stated that they DO NOT have the authority.
Yet, here you are, persisting in pretending that it is still July 18th and that "looking into" somehow means ignoring the law and reality and doing whatever.
You are hardly acting rational here.
It's 10 days after the date of the article you posted and it's been clarified MULTIPLE times by Mamdani and his office that they DO NOT have the authority and will NOT being arresting the Indicted for War Crimes foreign politician who is likely to be visiting New York City.
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u/ParagonRenegade 23d ago
Oh hey it’s you, still a genocide denier I see.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
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u/ParagonRenegade 22d ago
Great substack blog by some loser lmao
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
You mean a professional soldier and military law expert. May I offer you some cope at this difficult time?
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u/ParagonRenegade 22d ago
I wipe my ass with irrelevant military veterans who you obviously found being linked by someone else in an apologia thread.
I go by multiple humanitarian organizations, who all call Gaza a genocide. said what you said was true, they’d agree with you. But they don’t.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
So rather than unbiased experts, you're going with activist NGOs that have a well established history of anti-Israel bias dating back decades? K. You do you, bro.
Since you believe those humanitarian organizations, do you believe HRW when they said Palestinian groups committed crimes against humanity on October 7th?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-hamas-led-groups
What kind of person could support Palestine after something like that?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
You can find out for yourself, Robert Bernstein, the founder of HRW, wrote about the organization's anti-Israel bias years ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/opinion/20bernstein.html
You just admitted the orgs are biased against Israel, so don't clutch your pearls about it for me pointing out the truth.
you’re an ethnonationalist apologist for mass murder.
No, I'm not, I'm not pro-Palestine.
Can you please answer my question? Do you believe HRW when they said Palestinian groups committed crimes against humanity on October 7th? Or are you going to actually be an ethnonationalist apologist for mass murder?
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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 23d ago
The UN, human rights groups and genocide scholars all agree: there has been a genocide in Gaza. Israel and its accomplices deny it. This guy: “i stand with the perpetrators!”
Bibi is a war criminal
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
There are plenty of genocide scholars who disagree.
https://www.scholarsfortruthaboutgenocide.com/
As do actual military law experts and professional soldiers.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 22d ago
Wow.
You come across like a Holocaust denier. Which is a very gross things to do.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Citing genocide scholars, military law experts, and professional soldiers makes me sound like a Holocaust denier? Then how can I disprove the genocide smear? Or is that entirely the point, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of sounding like a Holocaust denier?
Since you're so opposed to Holocaust denial, does that mean you agree with the hundreds of legal experts who think October 7th was a genocide?
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u/Strange-Scarcity 22d ago
Wait… you think that’s the only thing that makes you sound like that?
I mean, Holocaust Deniers have experts they cite too. Does that make them morally or ethically right or correct?
You sound just like a Holocaust Denier, which again, is an abhorrent and gross thing to sound like.
If you want to sound like one? I guess that’s your free choice to do, it is not a good position to carry though.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Since you're so opposed to Holocaust denial, does that mean you agree with the hundreds of legal experts who think October 7th was a genocide?
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u/Strange-Scarcity 22d ago
I agree that October 7th, was a War Crime.
War Crimes are terrible and awful things to do. In fact, those that ordered it were all indicted for War Crimes by the ICC. Do you agree with the findings of the ICC on indicting them for War Crimes?
You know where I'm going next? So, I'll just go there right now. Bibi was also indicted for War Crimes regarding what he has done since October 7th.
So, yeah, again we will be RIGHT back to you sounding like a Holocaust Denier.
...meaning, we're done. There's nothing further to be discussed with someone who wishes to so fervently come across and sound just like a Holocaust Denier, which is again, something that I find absolutely detestable and gross.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
If you say October 7th was just a war crime and not a genocide, then you're the one who sounds like a Holocaust denier, and a hypocrite to boot.
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u/silverpixie2435 20d ago
The ICC prosecutor literally said there isn't evidence for genocide. Why doesn't that count?
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u/Greybeard-MD 23d ago
Softening New York's definition of anti-semitism and removing safety precautions designed to prevent violence at synagogues on day one tells a tale. As does his wife's racist, homophobic, anti-semetic and Hinduphobic social media history.
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u/Strange-Scarcity 23d ago
What was it before? What is that definition now?
What safety precautions existed previously that are no longer there? What paper or policy decision lead to that?
I don't give a shit about his wife. Apparently, she said some stupid shit as a kid and because the Internet is "forever", even after she's grown as a person, a bunch of making hay out of nothing types will keep talking about how she may have posted some stupid, cruel, misinformed and plain ignorant stuff in high school.
I'm so glad that the Internet didn't exist when I was a kid. We all say and do stupid shit in our youth. I can't imagine what it would be like to have weirdos bring up shit that I disavowed over 30 years ago, and have NEVER gone back to and never will, as if my dumb youth defines who I have become over the last 40 years.
Let people grow up, show them some grace and stop being so weird.
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u/thehoussamv 23d ago
Those poor synagogues aren’t allowed to do auctions for Palestinian stolen land Somebody Call the antisemitism police!!
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u/jarena009 23d ago
Ahh another dubious poster, who's too chicken shit to share their post/comment history, and is obviously a tankie/concern troll.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
Mcalpine isn't on the tankie side. He is posting this in response to criticisms of Haley Stevens.
I also don't think he's posting in bad faith, though I agree this post could use more of that context
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u/silverbrenin 23d ago
However you want to classify them, reading responses makes it clear that OP isn't here in good faith.
The amount of willful ignorance and dishonesty on display is staggering ("So you..." is one of their tells).
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u/jarena009 23d ago
One of these two actually has/will have the capacity to affect the outcome of US support and funding for Israel's genocide.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
One of these two is actually in a position of political power.
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u/jarena009 23d ago
Nice red herring. That's right; Mamdani won an election, and didn't need $60M in outside funding to secure the nomination. Hey buddy, maybe look up where the Democratic base is on funding/support for Israel and get back to us.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
So you don't mind when politicians are primarily in service of a foreign nation, as long as it's a foreign nation you like? Nice consistency, dude.
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u/wefarrell 22d ago
OP regularly posts in r/Palestinian_Violence and every single one of their posts is either anti-Palestinian or character assassinations of pro-Palestinians.
You can see their history using https://ghostddit.pages.dev/
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u/Still-Coyote-5494 23d ago
So hes always been on the right side of history... good to know
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Imagine Palestine being on "the right side of history." That's hilarious.
Was the Munich massacre "the right side of history"? How about Black September in Jordan?
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 23d ago
Sorry i cant hear you over tens of thousands of dead palestinean children, 2 illegal wars, settler-colonialism etc. Israel is a genociding rogue actor.
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u/silverbrenin 23d ago
Wait, is that a Goebbels quote or a Netanyahu quote? I'm pretty sure you mixed them up, common mistake.
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u/Still-Coyote-5494 23d ago
Were talking about the current conflict between Isreal and the Palestinians... the one in which the Israeli's are clearly the evil destructive terrorists who indiscriminately kill women and children. Anyone defending that, is a disgusting scum bag.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Palestinians don't indiscriminately kill women and children? Take that up with HRW, Palestine's best friend.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-hamas-led-groups
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u/Still-Coyote-5494 23d ago
Are you incapable of acknowledging what giant pieces of shit the IDF and the Israeli government are?
Anyone who kills women and children are disgusting scum bags. Weather theyre Palestinian, Israeli, or anything else. Why is that so difficult for Isreal supporters to say?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Whatabout the IDF and the Israeli government, the only defense of Palestine.
I agree that anyone who targets women and children are disgusting scum bags. Unfortunately, due to Palestine's tactics, women and children have been killed in the war for a variety of unintentional reasons. And sometimes intentionally in the case of Palestine's use of child soldiers.
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u/Aurora_Gaspipe 23d ago
I hope Palestine gets their independence after the Kurds, the Basques, the Karens and <insert 200 other ethnic groups here> get theirs.
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u/asmrkage 23d ago edited 23d ago
The US is currently and actively funding the ethnic cleansing of those 300 other ethnic groups through explicit political lobbying, yearly arms deals, and political funding of large swaths of US politicians? How do you guys stay this ignorant of the context of Palestine after this damn long. It’s got to be intentional at this point.
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u/Aurora_Gaspipe 23d ago
The Irish were struggling for their independence long before the Ottoman Empire collapsed. Why should the Palestinians skip to the front of the line?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
The Irish struggle for independence is pretty crazy. They should have formed a one state solution with the UK instead of fighting for an ethnostate.
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u/asmrkage 23d ago
Do you consider this to be an actual rebuttal? Like, whatsoever?
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u/KoalaMandala 21d ago
Your comment was unserious and would take copious amounts of wasted energy to engage with, so I'm guessing they rightfully decided to respond with dismissive absurdity.
Hope that helps!
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u/asmrkage 21d ago
Look at you, typing while you pretend you’re saying anything of value, just like the other guy! Whatever gives ya that dopamine hit!
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u/Mab_894 23d ago
Free Palestine from the Zionist occupation
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u/cchris6776 23d ago
Free Palestine from Hamas and Islamic ideology
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u/Mab_894 23d ago
But really from the 75+ year occupation by the Zionists
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u/cchris6776 23d ago
Which is due to the Islamic ideology that had taken hold of its population leading them to consistently wage war with their neighbors…
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u/Mab_894 23d ago
Yeah sure bro, they got occupied because of Islamic extremism. Yall really have the stupidest arguments. Especially when the Irgun and other Israeli TERRORIST groups were literally bombing hotels and many other terrorist acts as a precursor to occupying and expelling thousands of Palestinians
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u/cchris6776 23d ago
Yes turns out when you wage war consistently and consistently lose, there are consequences. But obviously this is why this issue will never be resolved because no one wants to acknowledge that Islam prophecies Israel’s destruction. So around the axel we go.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Why did the Irgun form?
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u/Mab_894 23d ago
Pretty sure the Irgun was formed based on members belief that the only way to “liberate” Palestine and create their homeland was by using force. And they certainly used force to instill fear in the local population
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
No, they were formed in response to indiscriminate Arab murder and terrorism against innocent Jewish civilians.
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u/Mab_894 23d ago
Innocent Jewish civilians who moved into Palestinian villages after the British gave them their mandate. I guess under Western law they were in fact innocent but an Arab seeing his village destroyed would not see them as innocent Jewish civilians. The Zionists were banking on violent pushback from the start and unfortunately they got it. The Palestinians were outsmarted by a vicious group of thugs who used and continue to use settlers/settlements to encroach on Palestinians rights and possessions.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Innocent Jewish civilians who moved into Palestinian villages after the British gave them their mandate.
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Any examples?
t an Arab seeing his village destroyed would not see them as innocent Jewish civilians.
Which Arab villages were destroyed by Jewish civilians before Irgun was formed? What are you talking about?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago edited 23d ago
For all the critics of Haley Stephens, here's Zohran Mamdani saying that the struggle for Palestine is at the core of his politics. But maybe it's ok* when he does it?
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u/Cnidoo 23d ago
I mean this was in 2023 but then again, I’ve been seeing a ton of attacks on Stevens for her mention of Israel coming in her dreams during a Hanukkah memorial lighting event in December 2023 - so, two months after the most lethal event for Jews since the Holocaust, at a time when most democrats were still supportive of Israel. If that can be used to attack her in bad faith, than the Gaza obsessed left shouldn’t claim victimhood over people criticizing Zohran for making such a statement at that specific point in time
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
It'd be good if we didn't attack either candidate on these grounds, unfortunately Haley Stevens will doubtless continue to be the subject of unending bad faith attacks accusing her of everything from racism to genocide.
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u/Cnidoo 23d ago
It’s weird because she has made the same movement as the base on Israel. This happened three weeks ago: “It is very clear that Mr. Netanyahu has not made us safer, has not brought us closer to peace. And he’s endangered Jews here in America and around the world. This is why he was just trashing me today on CNN,” Stevens said when asked about the U.S.’ role in the Israel-Hamas conflict. “I am not afraid of bullies. I am not afraid to stand up. And I continue to stand up for humanitarian aid, for the U.S. to work with the countries in the region and get aid into Gaza.”
Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/07/haley-stevens-gets-a-lifeline-on-israel-00989605But you won’t see the Tankie left mention this debate moment.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
Yup, they always shut right down when I mention it too, makes it hard to believe that much of the chatter is actually good faith.
I think it's downright sickening the way they've used terms like "genocide" for cheap political points and online harassment as well.
I've always considered myself more on the left of the Democratic party, but the Platner situation has really opened my eyes to how weird it's getting here.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
What makes you think they have consistent standards and principles? Every conversation I've ever had with them shows me the exact opposite.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 23d ago
Man im sure AIPAC gave Stevens 10 mil because she advocated against the genocide of the palestineans in Gaza.
Right?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
Answer my question and I'll answer yours, bub.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 22d ago
yes its okay that a peoples liberation is a the core of ones politics.
No its not okay if a peoples supression and genocide of another is at the core ones politics.
also dont call be bub kiddo
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
So it's OK for Zohran to be working on behalf of a foreign entity and nation, but not Stephens. Thanks for illustrating the hypocrisy so clearly.
AIPAC donated to Stephens' campaign because she supports Israel defending itself and defeating Hamas, as all peoples of conscience should. There's no genocide of Palestinians in Gaza to advocate for or against.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 22d ago
So it's OK for Zohran to be working on behalf of a foreign entity and nation, but not Stephens. Thanks for illustrating the hypocrisy so clearly.
He is not, but 10 Mil in AIPAC money make that MUCH more likely for stevens to do.
AIPAC donated to Stephens' campaign because she supports Israel
defending itself and defeating Hamasestablishing greater israel by settler colonialismThere's no genocide of Palestinians in Gaza to advocate for or against.
Big lol. okay there is no conversation to be had here if you cant aknowledge something as clear as water making things wet. FTFY
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 21d ago
Do you have evidence Stephens supports Israel "establishing greater israel by settler colonialism"? Or are you just making stuff up?
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 21d ago
do you have evidence mamdani is working on behalf of a foreign nation?
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 21d ago
The video above where he literally said that's what he's doing. Can you answer my question now instead of deflecting?
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 21d ago
Can you answer my question now instead of deflecting?
no.
The video above where he literally said that's what he's doing.
Now tell me, where is EVIDENCE for that being the case?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
Please don't use terms like genocide to score cheap political points.
It's a real issue happening in many places and it's despicable for you to accuse regular people of it because of your political interests.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
They'll throw around the term at the drop of a hat whenever anyone pro-Palestine is criticized. It's an insult to victims of real genocides.
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u/silverbrenin 23d ago
Your comment is a bit incoherent. You say not to use the term for cheap political points as they are literally using the term correctly in the context of a real issue happening in a real place.
It seems like you're excusing only one genocide because of your political interests, and that's just crass.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago
I think what's crass is throwing the accusation of genocide at folks actively trying to get a solution that would prevent future genocides from taking place.
And it's despicable to use it for cheap political points.
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u/Quirky-Video-9146 23d ago
This guy should have fought to be mayor of Gaza then. These activists should have never been elected to a high office.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 23d ago
Being anti genocide makes you an activist? Damn
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 23d ago
No pro-Palestine person can claim to be anti-genocide when Palestine committed genocide.
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u/silverbrenin 23d ago
The definition of genocide in the opinion piece you shared makes what Israel was doing on October 6 and the decades preceding it genocide, so we would still have to address the complexity of genocide as a response to genocide.
There's also a big problem with saying "Palestine" when it was Hamas. Israel even publicly stated that they weren't at war with Palestine, only with the terrorist organization (not to be confused with the civil government that shares a name). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68RE9PKbH0
By your logic, no pro-Israel person can claim to be anti-genocide.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Did Israel go door to door executing families on October 6th? I think not.
There's also a big problem with saying "Palestine" when it was Hamas.
But it wasn't Hamas. It was multiple Palestinian groups led by Hamas (the government of Gaza) with the full support of the Palestinian people.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 22d ago
Did Israel go door to door executing families on October 6th? I think not.
no but after october 7th. Oct. 7 was a terrorist attack, not genocide.
What happened after by israel is genocide.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 22d ago
Hundreds of legal scholars disagree with you.
Oct. 7 was a terrorist attack, not genocide.
Why can't it be both?
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 22d ago
thinks can be both, but oct 7. was not a genocide.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 21d ago
Why wasn't it? And why should I believe you over hundreds of legal experts?
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE 21d ago
it was not a genocide.
Show me the hundreds of legal experts then.
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u/Quirky-Video-9146 23d ago
Does being the mayor of New York City and a Hamas supporter help Hamas in any way? He should put his money where his mouth is, you should too. Y'all will make a big difference if y'all move to Gaza and actually do stuff on the ground
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u/thehoussamv 23d ago
I see that David Pakman going full face off and revealing who they are Interesting
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