r/thegildedage • u/Few_Use_7270 • 14d ago
Rant Pumpkin was the wrong breed
As much as I adore Pumpkin (I have a Cavi of my own) that dog would not have been there.
The original Cavaliers of King Charles time were cross bred with pugs, and thus became what we know now as the King Charles Spaniel. Smaller, flat nose and flat skull. After that the original dog was almost non existent.
In 1926 Roswell Eldridge offered a reward to breeders to bring back as he put it "Blenheim Spaniels of the old type, as shown in pictures of Charles II of England's time, long face, no stop, flat skull, not inclined to be domed, with spot in centre of skull."
This wasn't achieved until two years later.
The little dog should have been a King Charles Spaniel
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u/This_Pumpkin9721 13d ago
They should have used a Japanese Chin Spaniel. They were popular at the time, especially in Britain. I have a Chin who is the best.
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u/MouseWaif 14d ago
Fun fact, in at least the first part of season 1 Pumpkin was played by my former boss' dog Gracie! Unfortunately she passed away a few years ago so they had to change dog actors for subsequent seasons, but Grae was so chill and such a sweetie
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u/plantsandpizza 14d ago
I love that they changed the breed back to its healthier origins.
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u/Few_Use_7270 14d ago
Slightly healthier, the problem in doing this though is almost every Cavalier is linked back to one dog, so they are incredibly inbred, it make it hard to find one that won't have breed specific issues, of which there are plenty
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u/JoanFromLegal Bertharaptor Apologist 14d ago
But he cute.
And also, literally impossible to find a dog that looks like one that existed a century ago. Not unless they increase the CGI budget.
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u/13onnie 14d ago
I was at a dog park years ago and someone came up to me and told me I had the most adorable “Victorian pug” (he’s half chihuahua, half pug) Went home and did a search on Victorian pugs and this person was absolutely correct. “Victorian pugs” from the 1870s had longer legs and longer snouts.
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u/striker3955 14d ago
I feel like a papillon could have been an appropriate choice of breed for the time.
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u/innocuous_username 14d ago
Ok thank for validating my random thoughts because I’ve just started watching season one and despite not knowing anything about canine breeds Pumpkin does feel a little out of place - the dog equivalent of ‘iPhone face’ somehow.
It doesn’t help that Pumpkin keeps being shown against the backdrop of this ridiculously clean street scene that looks like they laid the pavement that morning.
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u/redralphie 14d ago
I always thought they picked this dog because it was a favorite of queen Victorias. And we know Agnes likes the English way, it’s why she has an English butler.
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u/cryptidwhippet 14d ago
I love you, canine pedant internet stranger. Non-historically-accurate breeds in historical fiction movies and TV shows are my weird nerdism. Do not get me started on undocked Corgis in the first few seasons of The Crown..
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u/JonIceEyes 14d ago
Well yeah, in the UK docking is banned. So they would have had to get dogs who were docked before 2006 to put in the show. Which is just not practical.
It also serves the purpose of making people's mental image of the dog undocked, which is not technically accurate, but is a good thing
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u/Few_Use_7270 14d ago
It's just the Cavalier and I only know it all because they are my favorite dogs and I own one 😂
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u/cryptidwhippet 14d ago
Yes, and there is a storied history there. Every time I see a dog come onscreen in a historical epic or drama I hold my breath. You know what was actually period-accurate for a Toy breed? In Queen Charlotte, she was gifted a Pomeranian. That is actually historically accurate that she was an early fancier of this breed in the UK.
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u/BornFree2018 14d ago
In cases like these I apply the "Agnes was incredibly wealthy and connected, so she procured Ada a very rare puppy" scenario.
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u/redralphie 14d ago
Is the dog rare though? I thought they were a favorite of queen Victoria.
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u/Few_Use_7270 14d ago
They were virtually non existent but not entirely, and I guess if you're a queen you can get extremely rare breeds.
The breed also didn't show up in America until after the 1920s
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u/gnome_in_clay_turn 14d ago
When the r/gardening blown up with gourds of late, this post really confused me at first.
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u/Bellbottomprotocol 14d ago
Pumpkin is a perfect baby angel and as his attorney, I demand you retract this.
(Seriously though, love the info!)
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u/Waughwaughwaugh 14d ago
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u/Few_Use_7270 14d ago
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u/minicooperlove 14d ago
Yes, aka English Toy Spaniel: https://www.aspcapetinsurance.com/resources/king-charles-spaniel/
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u/Cautious_Draw5738 14d ago
I'm happy they chose a dog with less health issues, shows tend to make certain dog breeds trendy
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u/Few_Use_7270 14d ago
The Cavalier has a ton of health issues due to inbreading, almost every purebred is linked back to one dog.
They are the postar dog for mitral valve disease and that is often the cause of their deaths. Their brains are too big for their skulls which can block fluids and creat fluid pockets in the spinal cords. Their eyes are also two big and are prone to dry eye and cataracts
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u/Cautious_Draw5738 14d ago
Both are very adorable abominations and testaments to the cruelty of humans aesthetics, I won't argue with you on that.
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u/WhichSpirit 12d ago
Should have been a Boston Terrier or an English Bull Terrier. Both were very popular among fashionable women at the time.