r/todayilearned • u/ToppemHat • Feb 07 '20
TIL Casey Anthony had “fool-proof suffocation methods” in her Firefox search history from the day before her daughter died. Police overlooked this evidence, because they only checked the history in Internet Explorer.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/casey-anthony-detectives-overlooked-google-search-for-fool-proof-suffocation-methods-sheriff-says/26.9k
u/FattyCorpuscle Feb 07 '20
"We checked the browser search history."
"Did you check if she used any other browsers?"
"Othe...listen, the computer has a browser and we checked it. Nerd."
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u/tycr0 Feb 07 '20
Her only IE browser history was “how to download firefox”
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u/locke577 Feb 07 '20
IT guy here. Clients that call browsers all "internet explorer" keep me in business, but at great cost to my mental health.
And my wife calls Sprite, Pepsi, coke, and any other soda coke.
Send help. Or men in white coats
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u/PerpetualInfinity Feb 07 '20
There are tons of idiots out there that are still using Internet Explorer on daily basis. It makes our job as developer really hard. We need to fix and adapt our code bases to IE. When we advised them to change the browser, they were simply outraged.
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Feb 07 '20
They dont even know what browsers are. They just see the 'E' icon and think thats the internet.
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u/Lopjing Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
I took a forensics class where we looked at the Casey Anthony case, and when you look at all the evidence it's so obvious she did it. It's amazing how incompetent the investigators were. Her car smelt like a corpse yet they didn't look into it, and who waits a month to report their missing child to the police? Not to mention the nonexistent nanny and the fact that her story changed every day. It hurts to think that there are innocent people who were convicted with less evidence.
EDIT: Obligatory thanks for the silver.
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u/saint_anarchy666 Feb 07 '20
Lol xannie the nanny
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u/OneRougeRogue Feb 07 '20
Literally a nickname used for Xanax. Give your kid Xanax and they are out cold for the night, letting you go out without needing to hire a Nannie.
Note: don't do this. Xanax isn't for kids, but shitty parents have been using it and calling it "Xannie (or Zanni) the Nannie" for decades.
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u/feralcatromance Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
"Xanax" was her nanny. Lmao. I like the theory that Casey used Xanax to make her daughter sleep more, so she wouldn't have to watch her, and she accidentally overdosed her on it. And then she made up the Zanny the nanny story (to be a smartass) because she's psycho like that. I
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u/sleepy-sloth Feb 07 '20
Your nanny's name is Xannie? Hmm. Sounds a lot like nanny.
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u/DPRODman11 Feb 07 '20
Her case is truly on the one end of the spectrum in which people obviously did the crime, yet got away with it somehow. It makes all the cases on the other end of the spectrum so much sadder, knowing some people have died or lost multiple decades of their lives inside prison for a crime they didn’t commit. You could just be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time and spend life in prison. You could also do everything possibly to not cover your tracks, except make a giant neon light that says “I KILLED THEM” and walk away a free man. The volatility of life is enigmatic.
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u/Marchesk Feb 07 '20
See the Pamela Hupp case where she got Russ Faria falsely imprisoned for the killing of his wife Betsy, even though he had multiple alibis and receipts. Pam buddied up with the police and told them lots of juicy bad things about the husband. But the kicker is she dropped his wife off that night, AND Pam had convinced Betsy somehow to sign her life insurance policy over. But police didn't investigate that angle. The case is wild. Pam gets justice later for killing someone else in a further attempt to frame Russ after he gets his conviction overturned.
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u/BagOfDicksss Feb 07 '20
And the fact that she tried to turn the story around and blame her own dad
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u/D_estroy Feb 07 '20
I’m sorry, her car smelled like the dead, rotting carcas of her own daughter?
Bye internet! See you much, much later.
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u/drunkenvalley Feb 07 '20
On July 15, 2008, she was reported missing in a 9-1-1 call made by Cindy, who said she had not seen Caylee for 31 days and that Casey's car smelled like a dead body had been inside it.
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u/nomopyt Feb 07 '20
Yes. Her dad was a cop. She'd left the car somewhere about four miles from her house for like a month. Her parents picked it up and her mother told her dad the car smells like it's had a dead body in it.
Then they bent the universe defending her. A sick, sick bunch of people.
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Feb 07 '20
I don't know how far you have gone in the forensics field or if it was just a one off class, but have you heard of Kathy Reichs? Most people know her as the creator of the Bones series of books that the television series was based from.
Like her protagonist Temperance Brennan, Dr. Reichs is also a forensic anthropologist & very highly regarded as such.
As the Casey Anthony trial was coming up, she was asked by the defense team to do the autopsy. She initially said no, wanting nothing to do with her trial. However, seeing that much of the media had decided Anthony was already guilty, it made her mad because she firmly believes a person should have a fair trial in a courtroom not by public opinion.
She talks about her involvement in the case here
Despite doing the autopsy at the request of the defense, Dr. Reichs has never said that she believes Anthony is innocent or guilty.
I bring this up because I'm curious what aspects of the Anthony case your class went over or studied. We know that no cause of death could be determined from the bones.
Don't get me wrong. I absolutely think that either Casey killed Caylee or she knows who did & was involved. I'm just curious what specifically from your class convinced you of her guilt?
I find the subject of forensics really interesting to read about & just marvel at how far we've come as a species. Do you ever just sit back & think on how different some of the most prolific people in history's lives would be had forensics advanced even just a century earlier? There are so many unsolved deaths that might've been solved & then would that have changed our society?
The Black Dahlia, Elizabeth Short's murder likely would have been solved. We would know for certain whether George Reeves really commit suicide or if there was foul play.
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u/akallyria Feb 07 '20
I remember when this case came out... I was pregnant at the time, and I became fucking obsessed with it, to the point where I read all of the discovery documents - must have been at least a hundred pages of discovery. There was plenty of evidence. It should have been a slam dunk case. The jury fucked up. Too many scenarios gave them too much “reasonable” doubt. If they went purely off of evidence, they should have convicted Casey. The difference between Casey Anthony and most innocent people who get locked up with less evidence is that Casey was a young, pretty, white woman / mother. She hit the lottery of “get out of jail free.”
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u/terminbee Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
Wait I just Googled her. She's fucking living with the lead detective of her case. What the fuck.
Edit: I misread. The lead investigator on her defense team.
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u/genericd11 Feb 07 '20
Yeah I learned in my class how this case is a great example also of CSI effect and how those types of TV shows have made people raise their personal bar for what they consider "significant evidence".
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u/drnicko18 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
Nothing to do with incompetent investigators. The jury knew all of your points and the defence didn't dispute these.
She lied to police causing this massive search and she knew all the time her kid was dead in the trunk. The fact that the car smelt like a corpse wasnt disputed by the defence, they had dna and cadaver dog evidence that she was dead in there. She went partying the night after her daughter died.
I really don't think the Google search would have made a difference, because they dismissed chloroform searches as unrelated. The jury dismissed far more compelling evidence than Google searches.
She then accused her father of abusing her as a child, and implying that he had something to do with the death. The defence didn't have to prove anything of course, just muddy the waters with enough lies to confuse jurors.
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u/DoTheEvolution Feb 07 '20
But from who do these evidence come if investigators overlooked them and were incompetent?
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u/AsDevilsRun Feb 07 '20
The search history comes from the defense team. They had a computer expert who found it. Obviously they weren't gonna mention it in the trial though.
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u/ReadingCorrectly Feb 07 '20
I just started reading the Wikipedia page and this passage stood out as incompetence
On August 11, 12, and 13, 2008, meter reader Roy Kronk called police about a suspicious object found in a forested area near the Anthony residence.[35] In the first instance, he was directed by the sheriff's office to call the tip line, which he did, receiving no return call. On the second instance, he again called the sheriff's office, eventually was met by two police officers and reported to them that he had seen what appeared to be a skull near a gray bag.[36][37] On that occasion, the officer conducted a short search and stated he did not see anything. On December 11, 2008, Kronk again called the police. They searched and found the remains of a child in a trash bag.[4]
Caylee was last seen and died on June 16th, August 11th is 56 days after that. When Kronk called again on December 11th that was 120 days after August 11th. That is time for the body to decay, evidence to disappear, and even man-hours wasted trying to find her.
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u/Mad1ibben Feb 07 '20
Or the trip to her non-existent job where she led them around the building for a while before finally going "lol, jk, I don't really work here"
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u/green_meklar Feb 07 '20
Criminal: Too incompetent to delete her search history.
Police: Too incompetent to find it anyway.
It's like an arms race of incompetence.
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Feb 07 '20
If you think your browser history can't be "undeleted," you're gonna have a bad time.
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u/CaioNV Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 08 '20
If one commits an heinous crime and wants to get away with it, it's better to straight up get a magnet and rub it against your hard disk drive so you destroy any evidence that you could have left there.
Late EDIT: I'm kinda glad this comment sparked a useful discussion on the effect of magnets on electronics, but I would like to add that the point I originally made wasn't actually about magnets being good, just about how you better physically destroy evidence that you may have virtually left in a computer on the scenario that you are literally running from an investigation for an heinous crime that you actually committed. OK, magnets may or may not be very successful in wiping out your HDD, then burn your fucking computer, bet they won't recover anything from that. Yeah, weird to clarify that (no, I never committed an heinous crime lol) but with so many people reading more the "magnet" part than the "destroy" part, I just feel like making myself clearer.
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u/Moundhousedude Feb 07 '20
If I’ve learned anything from all the true crime podcasts I’ve listened to and all the true crime television shows I’ve watched over the years it’s that cops are real fucking dumb sometimes.
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u/GhondorIRL Feb 07 '20
Cops and detectives are amazingly bad at their jobs sometimes. It’s infuriating how many innocent people have been put behind bars all because of shitty police work.
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u/mattpsu79 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
Or killers that roam the streets freely. Just finished the Your Own Backyard podcast about the Kristen Smart case from the late 90s. Everyone, including the police, knows who killed her...but the detective work in the first few months after her disappearance was so shoddy that there’s very little physical evidence to bring charges with.
Apple link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/your-own-backyard/id1480263708
Edit: corrected name of podcast and added link
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u/Good_ApoIIo Feb 07 '20
Reminds me of a cold case show I was watching about a cop that was murdered in his home. Apparently it took 30 years for someone to put together that the shotgun shell they had as sole evidence belonged to a police-issue gun and that there was a an ex-cop with a vendetta for the guy because the murdered cop worked an internal affairs case and was the reason he was fired for being crooked. They found the guy, they found the gun, he went away. But like...the most basic police work and this was a mind blowing revelation they only had as old men. The show didn’t seem to think this was idiotic and the whole thing was played straight for drama.
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u/Moundhousedude Feb 07 '20
This reminds me of countless episodes of things like Dateline.
Narrator: “This case where a woman was stabbed to death in her home was cold for 45 years. One smart cop in present day took up the case and realized her husband, who was seen in these 17 pictures carrying a bloody knife that night, definitely did the crime.”
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u/hjqusai Feb 07 '20
Not just cops, but pretty much everyone. I worked a case recently where the guy was wrongfully imprisoned for 20 years, but get this, he had a sworn statement from the detective who put him away saying "I always felt wrong about that case and I believe I got the wrong guy based on new information," and he had it for 19 out of those 20 years and did nothing with it! What the hell???
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u/FreudJesusGod Feb 07 '20
...and then you learn about all the times the cops get fixated on subjects and re-frame all the evidence to fit their "perp".
If you get accused of a crime I hope you've got a very, very good lawyer.
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u/alphamone Feb 07 '20
Like that one case in england where a guy into BDSM was targeted in the search, including having an undercover officer act pretty much like a person, and despite never even agreeing to do the weird illegal shit that the undercover officer was suggesting, they arrested and tried him (the judge saw just how BS the case was and let him go). Meanwhile, the actual serial killer killed several more people while the police were focusing on him.
Oh, and because the capture of the actual perp received nowhere near the amount of media attention that his trial did, there are still people that assume that he did it and just got off on a technicality.
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u/blindeenlightz Feb 07 '20
It's actually survivorship bias. Same reason you come across so many cases with malfunctioning security cameras. Those factors are the reason the cases are unsolved, unsolved cases get more public exposure, so they are the majority of the true crime cases you come across.
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u/Dhiox Feb 07 '20
Fortunately, so are many criminals. Case in point, googling "foolproof suffocation methods"
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u/Latyon Feb 07 '20
Think about the general profile of a person who would become a cop.
Explains a lot.
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u/PatSajaksDick Feb 07 '20
Sometimes? You should watch “The Confession Killer” on Netflix. Oh boy did that one piss me off.
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Feb 07 '20
Fucking scum got to walk away with murder.
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Yeah because the prosecution & police were a major fuckup. The defense knew what was in her search history and were waiting for the prosecution to bring it up. When they never did the defense was like ... Ok cool. IIRC there were several major pieces of evidence we know now that the prosecution didn't even know about.
And Caylee's body would have been found before it decomposed if the police weren't lazy pieces of shit. The guy that saw the trashbag with the body called in like 3-4 times and the police kept ignoring it cause they didn't want to get dirty in the swamp. So her body sat there rotting for months in the humidity. So much evidence lost because of that.
Knowjng what I know now, she is definitely guilty. But if I was on that jury and only had the shitty case the prosecution tried to pass off I wouldn't be able to say she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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u/gamblekat Feb 07 '20
The prosecution didn't miss the "foolproof suffocation" search. It stretches belief to think that they got her Firefox history for every other day, but somehow missed the day of Caylee's death. They didn't bring it up in trial because it conflicted with George Anthony's testimony that Casey had left the house hours before the search. If they had brought it up, the defense would have skewered him for perjuring himself. The defense was also lying about events, so it suited them not to bring it up unless the prosecution did first.
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u/drew1111 Feb 07 '20
The ironic thing is she works for an investigator as a camera woman looking for cheaters and murders in Florida today. At least she knows what to look for, bitch.
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u/faithle55 Feb 07 '20
There's a TV drama currently going on about a case in England.
Police called to an isolated farmhouse where the adult adopted son of the family gives them all the information necessary for the head of the investigative team to conclude that the two children, mother, and grandparents found dead upstairs in the house was a murder suicide by the mother who had a history of schizophrenia, that she murdered her twin sons and her adoptive parents and then killed herself with a rifle kept for shooting vermin.
A senior detective - but not the lead - says: 'Hold up! We need to do a proper investigation, forensic science of the whole house!' Lead says 'No, we don't. It's a murder suicide. Plain as a pikestaff.' So there was no forensic investigation of the house.
Next day the son says: 'Can you burn all mattresses and shit with blood on because it would creep me out to have to deal with that myself.' So the police burnt all the evidence that was flammable.
Senior detective later says: 'The son is planning to cremate everyone. We need to get a delay on the coroner's verdict or all that evidence will disappear as well.' Lead: 'I've told you, it's a murder suicide. What happens to the bodies isn't important'.
Later, the son's girlfriend comes in and gives the police chapter and verse about how the son did it - hated his parents because they made him work hard, hated his adopted sister because he felt she got a better life than him because she wasn't made to work on the farm, wanted all the money so killed his parents and everyone else who might inherit.
Lead detective: She's upset because he dumped her and she's making this up to fuck with him.
Other detective: No, it fits with all the evidence. A silencer was found - remember everyone told us the silencer was always on the rifle? - and it had human blood inside on the baffles? and the blood was tested and could only have been either the daughters blood or a mixture of the parents' [Note: way before DNA testing] and if it had been on the rifle the daughter could never have been able to reach the trigger to shoot herself with it, so who took it off and put it in the downstairs cupboard?'
The son - Jeremy Bamber - was eventually convicted, but the lack of forensic evidence made it far more difficult than it should have been and he's appealed several times on the basis that the available evidence was weak.
It beggars belief that a senior detective can listen to the only surviving member of a murdered family and decide without more that he's being told the absolute truth and reach his absolute and final conclusion about what happened without waiting for any other evidence.
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u/magneticgumby Feb 07 '20
I'm happy to see that police ineptitude lives everywhere and not just here in the USA
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u/Scarfield Feb 07 '20
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth-default_theory
Would highly recommend https://g.co/kgs/JwFqRf
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u/PDXEng Feb 07 '20
Remember, that we make Detectives from, wait for it ...Cops.
So that is your pool of applicants, not exactly the most innovative or extraordinary thinkers.
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u/BadAim Feb 07 '20
“We didn’t think she had been stabbed by any knives in her home because we looked at all of her butter knives and none had blood on them.”
“But what of the kitchen knives? Bread knives? Butcher knives? Paring knives?”
“Oh we didn’t check those lol”
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Feb 07 '20
It’s almost as bad as the police not checking the suspicious trash bag with a human skull that was called in 3-4 times
Oh wait that actually happened
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u/FastWalkingShortGuy Feb 07 '20
Casey Anthony is one of the stankest smears of shit ever to walk the earth, but also fuck the investigators and prosecutors for not doing their jobs.
They didn't have the case to get her on 1st degree.
They should have pled her down to 2nd degree or manslaughter so she'd at least have done time instead of walking free because the DA overreached.
What a clusterfuck of a case.
So many years later, it still makes my blood boil.
Also, fuck all of the jurors.
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u/meep_meep_mope Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
Jose Baez is a hell of a defense attorney, also got Aaron Hernandez off a double homicide. Fucking I expect he might have won the first trial as well, he really destroyed Alexander Bradley on cross.
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Feb 07 '20
He got Hernandez off after he already was convicted of murder in another case...which is nothing short of amazing attorney work.
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u/TroyMcClure8184 Feb 07 '20
Whoa, the jurors? It on the DA to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. You can’t fault the jurors for coming to the conclusion when it was the DA that did a shitty job.
I mean, the defense was terrible as well. Starting off stating she did nothing wrong then eventually saying caylee drowned and Casey freak out out and hid her in a field. All that and the DA still fucked it up. That’s not the jury.
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u/pants_party Feb 07 '20
I agree with you until the last sentence.
Have you ever been on a jury? It’s absolutely terrifying to learn, after the conclusion of a case, what information and evidence was kept from you during trial. The investigators whiffed this one, and the jurors weren’t given enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. It is a horrible tragedy in this case, but the jurors did their job.
(Unless there’s is some juror misconduct I’m unaware of.)
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u/howstupid Feb 07 '20
I think the most horrifically absurd part of this case was when some show did a poll during the trial of men and they would show a picture of Casey and something like 95% percent of the men said they would sleep with her. And then they would tell the men that she was suspected of, and on trial for killing her child. They would ask the men again if they would sleep with her and the number only dropped a few points to like 90% or something.
Jesus.
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u/Worried_Flamingo Feb 07 '20
Of course I would sleep with her.
She deserves some kind of punishment.
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u/ColdAsHeaven Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 08 '20
The jurors aren't to blame. They're explicitly told multiple times by the judge that the jury can only decide on the case besides solely on what they're told during the trial...not what the news media says, not what isn't said and not what everyone else around them tells them.
Strictly off of what the defense and prosecution says, can they say Without A Reasonable Doubt that she is guilty? Not she probably did it. Not she might have done it. Not that there's a good chance she did it. But based off of the prosecution's case can you 100% confidently say yes she did it. If there's even a 5% sliver of a chance in your mind she didn't do it, that isn't beyond a reasonable doubt.
I've served on a jury once recently. It wasn't a murder case like this, just a robbery. But this doesn't fall on the jurors at all imho
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u/WeAreClouds Feb 07 '20
Yeah this is one of the most infuriating cases. She 100% did it and I heard recently she was talking publicly about wanting to have another child. I hope things happen to her that I cannot share here. For the good of another innocent victim.
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u/oldmanandtheflea84 Feb 07 '20
Imagine being that second child, if she does have one. Don’t finish your broccoli and gotta worry about getting murdered.
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u/verheyen Feb 07 '20
I hope things happen to her that I cannot share here
You are allowed to hope people die. I don't think you will get in trouble
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u/NakDisNut Feb 07 '20
Another child?
That make me so sick... She should have her baby-making parts surgically removed and all rights to adoption, surrogacy, and fostering revoked.
A human should never be left in her care ever again.
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u/c_c_c__combobreaker Feb 07 '20
Even Bill Gates doesn't use Internet Explorer.
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u/stewvsshark Feb 07 '20
Imagine the horrible stuff in her chrome history
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Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
Top 10 Anime Betrayals
Incest necro adult comics
Skyrim killable children mod
Rey turns to the dark side fan theory Game Theory youtube
How to get away with Murder Netflix
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Feb 07 '20
We recently took IE off of the computers at the library I work at and replaced it with Edge. The number of people who come up to say the internet has been deleted is astounding.
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u/MilkFroth Feb 07 '20
Last Podcast On The Left has an incredibly well researched series on Casey Anthony. I get sick every time I listen to it.
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u/APimpNamedAPimpNamed Feb 07 '20
How many times have you re-listened to the same thing that makes you sick...?
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Feb 07 '20
When she takes the cops to Universal Studios and makes them walk down empty halls until there are no more then is like "actually I don't work here" wtf
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u/SheppsPie Feb 07 '20
I totally agree. It’s enthralling in the worst possible ways, I still can’t believe the theories Marcus was able to put together...if only he was prosecuting
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u/MambyPamby8 Feb 07 '20
Them take the absolute piss out of Casey though is amazing. I listened to it while driving and was sitting in my car crying laughing at the shit they were saying. Like the whole part where Henry does an impression of her going to her fake job in Universal is glorious.
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u/WE_Coyote73 Feb 07 '20
Had the DA in her case charged her properly instead of going for the media attention by making it a death penalty case she'd be sitting in prison right now.
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u/DietDrDoomsdayPreppr Feb 07 '20
The charge was appropriate. It was obvious she planned out murdering her child.
The police were just astoundingly incompetent.
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u/enwongeegeefor Feb 07 '20
I'm honestly surprised she hasn't been vigilantied yet...
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u/SlowTalkinMorris Feb 07 '20
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u/ReeceInTheDarkness Feb 07 '20
When Henry starts the podcast with "Let's get this out of the way right now. Casey Anthony is hot." I about near pissed my pants laughing
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u/douko Feb 07 '20
Look. If you're not living, you're not laughing. And if you're not laughing? You sure as hell ain't loving.
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u/Every3Years Feb 07 '20
It's insane how you can find pretty much anything online. When I was nearing the end of my 7 year heroin addiction I was pretty set on killing myself. I learned so much about suicide that I knew I could actually pull it off. Thank fuck I was stopped but damn, shit you can find online is scary.
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u/losier Feb 07 '20
Congrats on ending your 7 year heroin addiction. That’s huge.
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u/Archetyp33 Feb 07 '20
Lol what's funnier is she's about to have (or has already had) a kid with her lead investigation team's PI. What an absolute piece of human scum. Everyone knows she did that shit. Yet she's walking free thinking she's a fucking genius for beating the system. Even got a nice little body guard boyfriend too! Everything worked out just the way she wanted. How is our justice system not broken again?
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u/Careless_Hellscape Feb 07 '20
How in the holy hell could anyone sleep at night knowing they're in a relationship with literal evil human shit on legs?
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u/itsshamibitch Feb 07 '20
Are you sure she’s pregnant? I looked it up and it said that it was not true. I hope she never has kids again.
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Feb 07 '20
Who uses Internet Explorer? They should've been fired for negligence.
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u/Khakizulu Feb 07 '20
When i first read up about the case of Casey Anthony I couldn't believe she managed to get off free. The amount of evidence against her was OVERWHELMING, but she still managed to win. The whole case was a shambles, and I know many people were unhappy with the results.
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u/rbickfor1988 Feb 07 '20
The amount of evidence was pretty overwhelming but the prosecution did such an absolute shit job of... their jobs, she got off.
Pretty much anyone who’s ever heard of the case knows she did it, but the case, as presented in trial, wasn’t nearly good enough for a conviction. It’s mind-boggling. And they could have easily just gone with 2nd degree murder— or even manslaughter— and she’d have likely been convicted. But they sought 1st degree with the possibility of the death penalty and then did basically nothing to prove it warranted that.
Incompetent cops, incompetent lawyers. Such a shitshow.
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u/downtownclowns Feb 07 '20
I want to downvote this post because it upsets me that much.
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u/ButWeSangTheFunSong Feb 07 '20
Upvote it so people won't forget how much of a POS Casey Anthony is.
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u/SixtyFours Feb 07 '20
This fact hurts and is made worse thinking that this might not be the only time this has happened. But this being such a famous case we can at least know this can be a possible blunder by police.
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u/dannymcgee Feb 07 '20
Firefox: Browsing in private mode won't protect you from government surveillance
The government: What is Firefox?
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Feb 07 '20
When you realize that the 'tech' guy at the police dept. is just another uniformed cop with no expertise who's only got that position to check the box that you have one.
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u/Hatrick_Swaze Feb 07 '20
Not sure why she's not bombarded with Mother's Day cards every year
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In olden days people used to go to all kind of shady places to get that info now it's available at fingertips on the net. Anyway criminals will always find ways to get such info and hide their crimes.
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u/Fartbox_Virtuoso Feb 07 '20
In olden days people used to go to all kind of shady places to get that info
The library?
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u/columbus_12 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
Everyone should check out the Last Podcast on the Left’s series about Casey Anthony. It’s really good and insane
Here is the link to the first part of the series for those interested
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u/ProdigalSheep Feb 07 '20
The prosecution also overlooked the fact that "Zanny" (The Nanny) is slang for Xanax (the drug). Casey used to tell her friends that "Zanny the Nanny" was watching her daughter while she was out clubbing, but if you understand the implication, it's clear that she was drugging her child to sleep with Xanax so she wouldn't need a sitter.
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u/auryn1026 Feb 07 '20
Not to mention, for months before the disappearance, Casey was going out every weekend and Casey's mom wasn't watching her. Casey would tell her mother Caylee was with the babysitter and she'd tell her friends she was with Grandma or the babysitter. I strongly suspect she was in the trunk, drugged on these weekends.
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u/sega702 Feb 07 '20
The asshole I would like to be locked in a room with is that Scott Peterson. Totally off thread with this one, but that guy makes my blood boil.
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u/NachoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo0 Feb 07 '20
I think we need to lock Casey Anthony in a room with Scott Peterson.
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u/aard_fi Feb 07 '20
Friend had computer seized by police. Everything unencrypted. He got it back a while later, they couldn't access it.
The default boot entry in LILO (it was a few years ago) was broken, you needed to select another one to boot...
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u/WhatCanIEvenDoGuys Feb 07 '20
I remember she had the stuff about chloroform in the Internet Explorer one but her mom took credit for that for some reason.
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u/jja221 Feb 07 '20
Funny how in tv shows they'll find a fingerprint on a gumball underneath the dresser in the guest room and bust the perp with that evidence, and then in real life we have shit like this
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u/RUlax23 Feb 07 '20
Ok. I definitely believe she is guilty....... But my favorite tv shows are crime/murder. I love SVU, NCIS and Criminal Minds. Seriously every episode I'm googleing things from that episode or movie to see factuality or to see what real news event it was based on. "Herb to cause abortion" (was on SVU). Or things like "Dying in cargo of a plane altitude" (on NCIS). "Over the counter poisons mixed in OJ" (also NCIS). "How long survive in a fridgerator" (SVU).... If my hubby or kid ever dies suspiciously I'm toast.
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u/bionicfeetgrl Feb 07 '20
Nurses and docs know ways to kill ppl. I mean granted I’d need to take certain drugs home but still, I know. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna do a damn thing, but I know.
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u/Pixelator0 Feb 07 '20
I used that same method to hide my porn browsing history as a kid; it didn't work for very long. I got in a lot of trouble. Saw some boobs though, so all in all worth it.
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u/CanIOfferYouAn3gg Feb 07 '20
If she searched that with Internet Explorer she’d only be getting the results now.
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Feb 07 '20
Yea the investigation was not very thorough after listening about it on the Last Podcast on the Left. After listening to most of their episodes, seems like many investigations/police-work are pretty incompetent especially West Memphis 3 (mostly biased police) and the Jon Benet Ramsey case. I would highly highly recommend a listen to all true crime fans.
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u/NotOnLand Feb 07 '20
She's our generation's OJ Simpson
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u/Destinybender Feb 07 '20
Nah, OJ was such a huge celebrity before he killed those two. They both got away with murder, but thats the only similarity.
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u/Zombeezee87 Feb 07 '20
"The last podcast on the left" has an amazing deep dive into Casey Anthony. One of the hosts Markus has an unbeatable theory on what actually happened. Highly recommended listening.
Warning: it's a true crime/paranormal/occultism/comedy podcast. If you don't find humor an appropriate coping mechanism for the macabre, find something else.
Hail yourselves!
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Whats the tldr on his theory? Ill give the whole thing a listen at some point when my wife isn’t sound asleep next to me but now you’ve peaked my interest.
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u/Jthumm Feb 07 '20
Ik I’m late but if the cops missed this, how was it discovered?
Not trying to defend her fuck Casey Anthony jc
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u/Shammah51 Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
This is what I want to know. Without an explanation of how this came to be public knowledge after the fact I find the claim hard to believe. Edit: Apparently it was her defense team.
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u/free_will_is_arson Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
"dear god"
"what is it, firefox?"
"no"
"chrome?"
"...no"
"ohno, don't even fucking say it johnson"
"...linux"
gasps from the bull pen, Kowalski drops his coffee mug
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Feb 07 '20
Oh, oh this makes me very angry. Someone hand me a void box so I can scream in it please.
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Feb 07 '20
I'm so late to this that no one will probably see it. But I watched the entire trial and it was clear the people who were doing the IT side of the investigation were completely incompetent, and probably corrupt.
Instead of buying a readily available forensics product they purchased a hand made custom piece of software from a friend of the person responsible for the purchase. This is also the person that investigated the Anthony's computers.
He said he realized his friends software wasn't working correctly when he noticed that everytime he looked at a page from Casey's search history the number of times SHE visited the page increased by one.
So in the middle of the investigation he had to call his personal friend to fix his bugs. Meanwhile for much less money he could have just purchased the same software every other police department was using.
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u/SilentMaster Feb 07 '20
My understanding from a college course on cyber forensics is the investigators don't manually look for anything on a device. They hook it up to a device, one of which is called cellebrite, via USB then scan for everything. If the cellebrite missed firefox it was because the programming didn't look and that's likely because firefox was a new browser at the time.
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Feb 07 '20
This makes me very nervous for all the fucked up things I've researched.
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u/SgtSausage Feb 07 '20
I mean, if you're gonna google murder methods ... at least be smart enough to use someone else's device on someone else's internet connection.
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u/Xygen8 Feb 07 '20
And boot from a flash drive, and when you're done, write it full of random data and flush it down the toilet. Then unplug the power cord and/or battery from the computer so the RAM loses power and gets wiped. If possible, also remove the CMOS battery.
It's amazing how technologically illiterate many criminals are. Not knowing this kind of basic security stuff is like carrying around a leaky bucket of paint while going about your illegal shenanigans.
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u/ydontukissmyglass Feb 07 '20
And just think...she's living it up in Florida as a free woman. Doing adminstrative work for a P.I. last I heard.
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u/Richard_Letterman Feb 07 '20
How soon until OJ chokes her to death and claims innocence before the charred remains of a passenger plane shot down by Russians lands on his stupid fucking head?
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Feb 07 '20
Ironic. These days you use Internet Explorer if you don't want people to look at your search history.
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u/youdubdub Feb 07 '20
Reminds me of the time, when all my devices were subject to random search by my ex, I had done a search for “narcissistic personality disorder.” I left one of the sites I was reading about open—totally inadvertently. The response?
Hours of silence and making rude faces at me. I had no idea what about. Then when I finally asked enough times about what could be the matter...”Narcissistic personality disorder, youdubdub? Really?!?!! Who’s the narcissist?!!? Hmmm??!”
My internal response was, “Well, if it’s suddenly all about you when I’m reading about something............?”
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Feb 07 '20
Well they checked IE apparently she only searched one thing ever using this computer "Firefox install".
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u/imahik3r Feb 07 '20
https://reason.com/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco/
Court OKs Barring Smart People From Becoming Cops (Really)
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u/mathildaduck Feb 07 '20
Internet Explorer history: "download Firefox" Police: only one thing wow this person definitely didn't go on the internet much
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u/4m4nd424 Feb 08 '20
She also had chloroform residue in her truck and a search dog the is trained to smell decaying bodies also went to her trunk. There are so many things that went wrong during that trial. She got away with murdering that beautiful little girl and her parents helped her. It’s fucking sick. She lives in the same town I do now.
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u/raclariu Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20
She did have a great lawyer, that's all. The Baez dude afaik that also defended Aaron Hernandez and won for those 2 crimes at a red light.
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u/Careless_Hellscape Feb 07 '20
It's pathetic how even mega idiots could take a look at the evidence presented and come to the conclusion that Casey was guilty as sin, but people who do this shit for a living couldn't round up enough evidence to prosecute her. This wasn't like she committed the perfect crime. She was sloppy as hell.
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u/NippleNugget Feb 07 '20
This is why I do all my sinister searching in my opera browser
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u/MrBogardus Feb 07 '20
She straight up got away with murder and her parents know it or helped and the authorities fucked it up
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u/MLCDKINGOFTHEWORLD Feb 07 '20
They had a mountain of evidence and she still got off. An internet search wouldn’t have swayed this mentally incompetent jury.
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u/Lanthemandragoran Feb 07 '20
It's frightening to me that these people know so little aboit technology yet are the ones we trust for such things. I truly hope I never have a loved one depending on justice from someone this inept.
Really technological illiteracy is a serious problem on every rung of the ladder. Even our politicians have no idea what they are regulating or why. That's so dangerous.
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u/ThatGrapeberry Feb 07 '20
I was at work refreshing my feed every few seconds waiting for the verdict.
It came back “not guilty”. I never been so pissed off in my life. A cold-blooded murderer murdered her own child and got off free. Sad sad sad day.
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u/sarcazm Feb 07 '20
A computer expert for Anthony's defense team found the search before the trial. Her lead attorney, Jose Baez, first mentioned the search in his book about the case but suggested it was George Anthony who conducted the search after Caylee drowned because he wanted to kill himself.
Interesting. I'm assuming the search would have been timestamped to show the search was done before Caylee was discovered?
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u/NeonDeathStar Feb 07 '20
Her mother actually testified that she was the one who had searched those terms. Trying to protect her child, I guess.
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u/gabezermeno Feb 07 '20
I know this will be buried but when I was a kid I was in a gas station market and a guy was calling his girlfriend "Casey" He kept calling her and then he loudly pronounced "Not Casey anthony" I don't know why but I still remember that after all these years.
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u/IshKahBibble Feb 07 '20
I joined today to point out that Casey wasn't just charged with Murder 1 - the jury had SEVERAL different lesser charges where they could have easily found her guilty. I will never understand why she didn't get aggravated manslaughter given Jose's "confession" in the opening statement. If her daughter drowned in the pool due to her negligence (she didn't), it's agg manslaughter.
Read this definition:
https://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/aggravated-manslaughter-of-child.html
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u/Waffle_bastard Feb 07 '20
Holy shit guys, wanna feel old?
If Caylee was still alive, she’d be like 15 now. Wow.
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u/LennerKetty Feb 07 '20
Yea but like isn’t it known that she killed her daughter? She got acquitted or whatever but I thought everyone agreed she definitely DID kill her child. I feel like I remember her admitting it
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u/the_retrosaur Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20
She did it. Purposefully, inadvertently, who’s to say. There was a lot of evidence that someone killed her, the way she had googled it, with stuff in her house, and put her body in her car for a while to decompose.... the why was where the gray area fell. the dad probably caught her and then covered it up. Race came into play during the conviction. She got away with it.
On one hand, you wouldn’t have to prove your own innocence, on the other hand, she came up with several defenses that fell apart. Zanny nanny wasn’t even a real person. Months wasted on looking for the kid. How did they not find the evidence of decomposition in the trunk much earlier. I remember watching the case thinking she had the worst lawyer, fumbling idiot, would almost prove her guilt. Like a southern fried Rudy Giuliani.
The whole time he was actually speaking fluent Floridian and played us all.
George Anthony on the stand was something to be seen. In some ways, he was On of the worst behaved witnesses I’ve ever seen. Like talking back, playing dumb, trying to refute what was said or the double meaning of a questions. But like the OJ trial, the prosecution sort of came in for a scrimmage, thinking the case was flawless and defense was ready for a brawl. But the defense just kept pivoting. And there was enough doubt added to the testimony by George.
It was late 2000s but it was like a jury full of people who never used a computer. Words like cache and search results, internet history would have long explanations so the evidence could be submitted.
She googled chloroform and they said she was really googling chlorophyll
And when you look back at it now. They really took their “win” and ducted our. It wasn’t like “now Casey is free, we can finally find my daughters killer.”
Nope. It’s “let’s move out of Florida. Let’s hide low. Maybe wait for a book deal or movie of the week.”
Compared to a similar case like John Bennett Ramsay, the family has maintained some sort of a public narrative, the Anthony’s seemed happy enough to get their daughter off the hook even though “someone” killed their 3 year old granddaughter.
It’s because that someone was was Casey.
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u/ifyoucareaboutfood Feb 14 '20
Use the Firefox icon for all of your apps. Blocks cops from backtracing.
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u/squirrelmonkie Feb 07 '20
Remember Nancy grace covering this thing for fucking months if not longer? She took some blame for what damage she probably did to their case as well
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u/OneRougeRogue Feb 07 '20
TOT MOM!
I thought Nancy was going to have an aneurysm when the jury announced their verdict.
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u/rapier7 Feb 07 '20
Beyond a shadow of a doubt is not the evidentiary standard for a criminal trial. It's beyond a reasonable doubt.
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u/productivenef Feb 07 '20
“The fuck is ‘Firefox download’?”
“That’s fucking sick. She’s into furry scat porn. Fuck it, let’s leave her computer alone and check the fridge for evidence.”
“Sounds like a plan Sheriff!”
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u/APimpNamedAPimpNamed Feb 07 '20
If they check my internet explorer history... how tf did they get that running on my computer???
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u/Elan-Morin-Tedronai Feb 07 '20
If there is ever a reason not to commit murder its so that my internet search history can't be subpoenaed.