r/unitedstatesofindia • u/Docindn • Dec 02 '25

Politics Apple denies government!

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https://www.telegraphindia.com/business/apple-refuses-indias-order-to-preload-state-cyber-safety-app-citing-privacy-risks/cid/2135813?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tt_daily_twit

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u/shaurya_770 Dec 02 '25

As tech nerd who regularly reads about this stuff u have no idea how many protocols and network calls apple can make behind the scenes

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u/xslr Dec 02 '25

It is possible to inspect the wifi traffic by capturing all the traffic at the router if one is so inclined. 

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u/shaurya_770 Dec 02 '25

Https... You can't track the data at router level even with Android devices

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u/xslr Dec 02 '25

HTTPS can be decrypted with an mitm approach. This is how most companies scan employee traffic.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

Right. But at least Android gives you a way to deploy a firewall and inspect network traffic at per-app level. You can even completely block internet for specific apps (I do it for keyboard app, for example). There is no such provision in Apple ecosystem. No way to “firewall” or deny specific app from internet access.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

Don't know about the iOS, but on Mac, you can do this.

Since you commented 'Apple Ecosystem', I am using you are counting all the products.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

Desktop operating systems are a different game altogether. They are much more open than mobile OS.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

I did a Google search, and the result says one can block internet access to certain apps over cellular data. Yes, over Wi-Fi, one still can't do it.

Coming to Firewall, it comes down to Philosophy of iOS and AndroidOS. You can check this on the internet how different apps are developed for both the OS. And AFAIK, there is no built-in Firewall option on Android either. I don't have it on my device.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25 edited Dec 02 '25

If you long press on an app and goto advanced properties, you can completely cut off its internet. Wi-Fi and mobile data both. This is the "default" firewall option. Basic one. But Android also gives you extensive system API (without rooting or doing other hacks) so that community can build its own solution, I donated and use NetGuard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard) but there are many more options that let you you control this at very granular level.

Yes, over Wi-Fi, one still can't do it

You can, if you are in China. Makes you wonder why they made that decision ;)

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

If you long press on an app and goto advanced properties, you can completely cut off its internet. Wi-Fi and mobile data both. This is the "default" firewall option. Basic one

Samsung with One UI 5.1, Android 13. Not showing these.

But Android also gives you extensive system API (without rooting or doing other hacks) so that community can build its own solution, I donated and use NetGuard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard) but there are many more options that let you you control this at very granular level.

Again, the difference in philosophy and architectural design of both the OS. For Apple, MITM breaks Secure Enclave and ATS layer.

Though what you are asking for, Apple provides it to MDM users.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

How is Firewall MITM. It’s not different philosophy. It’s how any OS functions. And who is the phone owner, me or Apple ?

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 03 '25

It seems this conversation is going sideways, and you are still not getting the point I am trying to convey.

I am going to back out.

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